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Title: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: 81alum on March 27, 2017, 08:10:34 pm
Overview:
We knew that to win at this level our shooting would have to be accurate and prolific, but with a Karlie injury and a sudden slump by McPhee  we were unable to score enough points despite our respectable defensive effort.  Still, I could not feel too down given that this team vastly overachieved what we all thought they were capable of doing this year. 

Flow of the Game:

Tara used her standard brilliant sagging defense on A'sa Wilson, who was doubled to deny her the pass every time she stepped into the paint--reminiscent of the anti-Griner defense we used in Hawaii when we defeated Baylor a few years ago.  This did not prevent her from sneaking through and collecting oodles of rebounds, but it kept her offense under control, particularly in the first half.  From the beginning it seemed that Erica was going to be "on" as she made a 15 foot jumper and a nice hook--both shots that she can make against a taller defender but both shots that she has been streaky on hitting.  But Karlie missed her first two trey attempts and this was a harbinger of poor three point shooting throughout the game.  All in all, though, the first quarter went reasonably well on the strength of Marta coming in to energized the offense.   After the TV break she took it to the rim and made a layup, and then on the next possession brought it all the way back to collect a foul at the rim and sink two free throws.  She continued by feeding Smith for a layup and we came back from an early deficit to take a 10-9 lead.  While we gave up a trey the other way, Marta then fed Erica for a fast break layup, and the quarter ended SC 14 Stanford 12. 

In the second quarter, a lengthy possession culminated in an 8 foot jumper by McCall for a tie game at 14.  Then Marta continued her heroic ways with a very long cross court pass to Britt for an open trey, and followed it up on the next possession by attacking the basket for a layup and a 5 point lead.  Erica made another basket off of two O-boards and SC kept missing shot after shot, and we were up 21-15 at the TV break.  However, Smith sat with two fouls.

Then Karlie rolled her right ankle and was carried off the court, and a pall came over the court.  She waived off a stretcher and walked to the locker room.

Karlie's injury did not seem to immediately affect us.  Marta hit a floater but A'sa responded, and then Kaylee made a hook to keep the lead at 8, then we stretched it to a 10 point lead until we gave up a foul with 4 seconds left.  SC made 1 free throw, and we led at halftime 29-20.

By the half, Tara's defense had looked brilliant, with A'sa Wilson held to 4 points.  Meanwhile Erica had 10 points and Marta was the big surprise with 8.  We shot at 45%, SC shot 26%, rebounding and turnovers were relatively even--and two of our turnovers were long Marta passes that might have resulted in fast break points if they were slightly more under control.  If only the game could have ended then and there.

When the third quarter began, Karlie was on the floor, so the ankle roll was not as serious as it appeared.  But Karlie came out quickly after she stumbled on it backing up--it looked like her ankle might not be 100%.  She was in and out in the second half but was clearly not her normal self, not taking another shot.  I my view it was our defense that suffered with her absence, since SC guards began to penetrate in the paint  in a way they could not in the first half.

The third quarter turned into a disaster for us--we were outscored 21-8 as we tried unsuccessfully to adjust at both ends of the court.  Smith picked up her 3rd fouls and had to sit and SC went on an 13-0 run  while we went 6 minutes and 27 seconds without a point.  On one of our many empty possessions we missed 4 times--wasting 3 O-boards.  Finally Alanna made a basket to break the drought--she was also the last person to score a point--and after a McPhee jumper we closed out a wretched third quarter down 37-41.

A traveling call--we had numerous such calls-- a shot clock violation, and a foul off the ball on Erica got us off to a poor fourth quarter start, and the energy of our team on offense just seemed not to be there.  In the absence of serious threats from Karlie or McPhee at the perimeter, the SC defense was not allowing penetration as it did in the first half, and simply took long and often off-balance jumpers that missed, while at the other end SC was getting the ball inside and scoring.  Finally Roberson buried a trey to get us to a 43-47 deficit.  DiJonai subbed in, got a steal and a layup, but Gray made as spectacular shot off glass the other way and-one to give SC a 53-45 lead with 4 minutes left in the game.

Smith began to catch fire toward the end of the game, and I had the feeling that if the game continued for a bit longer she would have willed us to victory.  First she hit a hook to get us to 47-53, and then a trey to get us to 50-53 with 2 minutes left.  Would the cardiac Cardinal do it again?  Alas no.  The chance to win was lost in a 30 second span beginning with Erica inexplicably losing the ball out of bounds at 1:26 when we were only down four, followed by a Ty Harris jumper at the other end, a Britt miss of a trey, and a 3/4 length of the court outlet pass to an unopposed Allisha Gray under the basket at the other end.  We were down 8 with 43 seconds and the game felt over emotionally.  Smith continue her heroics and hit a trey, but the fouling game was not kind to us and time dribbled away.

Performances:
Blocks, turnovers, rebounds, and assists were all relatively even team to team.  Each side had 34 points in the paint.  Shooting percentages were a poor 37% for both teams.  The most glaring difference was that SC scored 13 points off of free throws and we scored 3.   In the second half, points from free throws were SC 11, Stanford 1. 

In her last college game, Erica played very respectably and was the solid every-game player we have come to expect.  She had 14 points on 7/19 shooting with 14 rebounds and 2 blocks--one emphatic.  To manage a double double while playing against A'ja Wilson was special.

In her last college game, Bri was 2/4 for 5 points, 3 assists to 2 turnovers and a steal.

In her last college game, Karlie played with courage on a bad ankle, but could not generate a stat line.

Alanna Smith showed once again that she is a great hope for the future, scoring 14 on 6/14 with 12 rebounds and 2 blocks for a double/double in just 26 minutes.  4 fouls, however, marred her day.

Marta Sniezek's first half was worthy of a great point guard; the second half was not, but again she showed us just how good she can be.  She scored 8 points on 3/6 shooting--all in the first half--and had 6 assists to 3 turnovers, with two of those turnovers being overly aggressive efforts to pass the length of the court that sailed a little too far. 

Kaylee Johnson played rugged defense and did not look at all like one of the "nice girls from Stanford" but banged with A'ja Wilson and probably left her bruised.  She made a basket at a time we really needed it, and collect 5 rebounds in 13 minutes.

Carrington and Fingall both got into the game.

Conclusion:


This team dramatically overachieved what we thought it could do this year, and it did it by steadily improving--a hallmark of Tara's system.  We say good bye to Erica, Karlie, and Bri, who in the absence of Lili this year helped to forge one of the tightest sisterhoods in Stanford WBB history.  And we have the optimism borne from watching Alanna Smith come-of-age, and the flashes of brilliance we have seen at times from Marta, Britt, and Nadia earlier in the season.  Next year, Tara's new team will be a fascinating puzzle to put together, and it will be wonderful to watch the puzzle-master at work.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: IM in OC on March 27, 2017, 08:17:31 pm
Better question might be who on South Carolina will stop Alanna Smith?

Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: mbdude on March 27, 2017, 08:25:04 pm
Kaela Davis is 6'2- same as Bird. I could see Davis guarding  Bird and Wilson guarding Alanna
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: JJJ on March 28, 2017, 12:36:15 pm
Team charter loading up at SJC with the Band, headed for Big D, I'm told. Should give us enough time to acclimate for 4:30pdt tip (assuming not much adjustment needed; just ingesting and enjoying the whole experience).
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: fullmetal on March 28, 2017, 02:06:13 pm
I'm kicking myself for having signed up for an event not-in-Dallas on Friday night (over a month ago)...and I can't really back my way out.  Argh!  If they make the finals, you bet I'll be in Dallas.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: mbdude on March 28, 2017, 02:11:19 pm
Why all 4 teams could win Friday from ESPN. Praise for Alanna at end of article

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19023508/women-ncaa-tournament-why-women-final-four-team-win-all-dallas
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: 81alum on March 28, 2017, 04:16:50 pm
Why all 4 teams could win Friday from ESPN. Praise for Alanna at end of article

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19023508/women-ncaa-tournament-why-women-final-four-team-win-all-dallas

Yes, why all four could win, but you could tell he (and the rest of the media) are trying desperately to drum up interest given the UConn juggernaut.  And he does pick South Carolina over us.  Objectively, I think he is right to do so, but this time all the intangibles seem to favor us--peaking at the right time, three point shooting erupting just when we need it, three seniors all playing with joy and abandon, nothing to lose at this point, multiple come-backs to inspire confidence, Tara figuring out brilliant gameplans and adjustments.  I like our chances against South Carolina.  We might conclude the season with a Samuelson vs. Samuleson game. 
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: Boston Card on March 28, 2017, 04:23:43 pm
fivethiryeight's March Madness prediction algorithm gives us a 31% chance of beating South Carolina and then only a 4% chance of winning the final (87% chance that we would play UConn in that final).

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-march-madness-predictions/womens/

BC

Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: DC 86 on March 28, 2017, 04:36:50 pm
Tara figuring out brilliant gameplans and adjustments.
This is a big factor in a game like this and it's why I think statistical analyses tend to undervalue Stanford's chances.

This year has been another reminder that Tara is a brilliant game coach. Recruiting has been inconsistent at times (obviously not entirely within the staff's control) but Tara's game preparation and management are consistently outstanding.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: MT on March 28, 2017, 07:02:39 pm
fivethiryeight's March Madness prediction algorithm gives us a 31% chance of beating South Carolina and then only a 4% chance of winning the final (87% chance that we would play UConn in that final).
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-march-madness-predictions/womens/

Here is the progression of their odds for Stanford reaching these levels.  (so pre-tourney, their odds of us making the Final Four were 10%).

Interesting that they gave us only 25% odds of beating ND but now give us 31% odds of beating So. Carolina.   I bet Dawn Staley wouldn't say that her team is more than twice as likely to beat Stanford.

When. . . . E8. . . FF. NC game. . Win
Pre-tourney36%10%5%<1%
pre-Sweet 1651%16%7%<1%
pre-Elite 8100%25%9%<1%
pre-Final 4100%100%31%4%
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: 81alum on March 28, 2017, 07:10:44 pm
I knew about the Tara/Dawn Staley connection dating to the 96 Olympics--much was made of it when we played a home-and-away with them a few years ago.  We crushed South Carolina at Maples and Dawn invited Tara to come talk to her team after the win.

But here is a different connection I did not know about:

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Stanford has won the NCAA title twice, but no one on the current team was even born when the Cardinal won their most recent championship. It was in 1992, and Stanford's toughest game during that tournament came in the national semifinals, when the Cardinal survived 66-65 against Virginia.  Leading the Cavaliers then was senior guard Dawn Staley; that loss ended her college career.
http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19019507/women-ncaa-tournament-women-final-four-set-connecticut-huskies-remain-heavy-favorite
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: JJJ on March 28, 2017, 08:42:07 pm
This is redundant for those who already follow the team and NCAA hoops on facebook.
However, for those who don't...


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Last trip. Best trip.

#GoStanford #WFinalFour
http://www.facebook.com/StanfordWBB/videos/10155253050494885/

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The Stanford Cardinal are on the ground in Dallas! #WFinalFour
http://www.facebook.com/NCAAWomensBasketball/videos/10154339735889147/
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: MT on March 29, 2017, 05:26:21 am
This is redundant for those who already follow the team and NCAA hoops on facebook.
However, for those who don't...
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The Stanford Cardinal are on the ground in Dallas! #WFinalFour
http://www.facebook.com/NCAAWomensBasketball/videos/10154339735889147/

I'm glad they landed safely.  There were strong storms overnight, leaving 200K without power.  Tornadoes were about 25mi NE of the stadium.  If that's the first time they've been through a Texas storm, I bet they missed some sleep.  The lightning displays can be fascinating.

The weather looks ok for Dallas until a thunderstorm on Sunday.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: 2006alum on March 29, 2017, 06:48:33 am
I love that Bird had a BYO Foam Roller. That's some dedication!
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 29, 2017, 11:39:05 am
Samuelson reunion at the Final Four (I'm hoping for a matchup on Sunday!):

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19029839/women-ncaa-tournament-stanford-cardinal-karlie-connecticut-huskies-katie-lou-samuelson-reunited-women-final-four
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: 81alum on March 29, 2017, 02:42:03 pm
Samuelson reunion at the Final Four (I'm hoping for a matchup on Sunday!):

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19029839/women-ncaa-tournament-stanford-cardinal-karlie-connecticut-huskies-katie-lou-samuelson-reunited-women-final-four
That is a terrific piece.  Well worth watching.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: BobK on March 29, 2017, 06:44:33 pm
Great story on Brit

http://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Ex-model-McPhee-is-now-a-model-shooter-for-11037555.php
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: BobK on March 29, 2017, 06:48:43 pm
Lots here and read down t see Brit's award.  The highest GPA of the F4 teams

http://www.gostanford.com/news/2017/3/29/Final-Four-Social-Recap-Day-1.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: 81alum on March 29, 2017, 07:04:06 pm
Great story on Brit

http://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Ex-model-McPhee-is-now-a-model-shooter-for-11037555.php
One of my theories about Britt's growing success is that it took her some time to get a stronger, more athletic body back after her modeling was over, and perhaps a bit of time to grow into that body.  Whatever the reason, I'm so pleased for her success this season and looking forward to her being a featured player all next year.  She has always been able to drive and make those amazing off-balance shots....if she can consistently hit treys the way she has in the last few games she will be practically unstoppable.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: 81alum on March 29, 2017, 08:11:49 pm
I thought this observation by Dawn Staley about prepping for playing against Stanford was interesting:

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"Any one person can get hot on their team," Staley said. "If you don't have a star player, you do it by committee. [Defenses] don't have to double-team any one person, but you do have to prep for them top to bottom. It creates a longer scouting report and more information that our players have to remember and execute."
http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19026120/women-ncaa-tournament-final-four-coaches-share-rich-history-familiarity

I do wish that were true.  I'd say when we have Erica/Alanna/Britt/Karlie/Bri on the floor together it can be true.  Bri has not been scoring much for quite a while, though.  And Alanna is almost always on the floor with Marta.

I have a hunch we will see a lot more of Bri on Friday, since we need her defense on Gray.  It would be wonderful if she could get some scoring going too. 
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: magnus on March 31, 2017, 02:27:29 am
An article on the relationship between Staley and Vanderveer.

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19039981/women-final-four-south-carolina-gamecocks-dawn-staley-take-mentor-tara-vanderveer-stanford-cardinal-final-four
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: 2006alum on March 31, 2017, 08:55:54 am
Lots here and read down t see Brit's award.  The highest GPA of the F4 teams

http://www.gostanford.com/news/2017/3/29/Final-Four-Social-Recap-Day-1.aspx

3.73 in humbio is legit. Yet another model (pardon the pun) student-athlete produced by Stanford.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: eric on March 31, 2017, 10:56:23 am
In 1972, when the gender equity law known as Title IX was enacted, women were head coaches of more than 90 percent of womenís college teams across two dozen sports. Now that number has decreased to about 40 percent.

ďI want to think sexism is too simple of an answer, but what is it if itís not that?Ē said VanDerveer, the only woman besides Pat Summitt to have won 1,000 career games in Division I. ďAnytime someone hires a male coach and says, ĎCoaching is coaching,í well, why arenít more women in menís basketball?Ē

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/sports/ncaabasketball/coaches-women-title-ix.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/sports/ncaabasketball/coaches-women-title-ix.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news)
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in Final Four Friday 4:30 Pacific
Post by: winflop on March 31, 2017, 11:37:09 am
I have a hunch we will see a lot more of Bri on Friday, since we need her defense on Gray.  It would be wonderful if she could get some scoring going too.

I haven't seen much of Bri's defense but I think McPhee is our toughest and most disruptive defender. Probably won't be just one person on Gray all game but I look forward to McPhee getting in Gray's head and roughing her up a little bit along the way.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in progress
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 04:58:19 pm
We are down 12-14 after one quarter.

Biggest takeaway from the first 10 is Wilson's effect on the game. Smith and McCall missed a couple layups I think because of Wilson's presence in the paint; they just couldn't get it past her or was afraid to.

Also, it seemed like we were pretty nervous on the offensive end. Hopefully, we will shake them off going forward.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in progress
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 05:15:40 pm
Very worrisome. Karlie Samuelson injured as she steps on Cuevas-Moore's foot and had to be helped off the floor. Though ESPN's Holly Rowe said she was able to put some weight on it
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in progress
Post by: French Rage on March 31, 2017, 05:16:37 pm
Very worrisome. Karlie Samuelson injured as she steps on Cuevas-Moore's foot and had to be helped off the floor. Though ESPN's Holly Rowe said she was able to put some weight on it

And in the meantime, we've jumped to a 27-19 lead, so other than that a very good quarter thus far.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford vs. South Carolina in progress
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 05:21:50 pm
We lead 29-20 at the half.

Biggest storylines are our defense and Karlie's injury.

We have held S.C. to just 6 points in the 2nd quarter and only 2 made field goals I believe. Let's see if we can continue that.

Unfortunately, we are without Karlie's services. Erica had to help her off the court, but if Rowe's report that she was able to put weight on it in the tunnel is a promising sign, then we can hope that she just tweaked it and she can come back, if not for the second half, for the title game, if we win.

Beyond that, both Smith and Sniezek have 2 fouls each. Without Karlie, we are not as deep. I wonder if Carrington will see minutes in the second half.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford 29 vs. South Carolina 20 at half
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 06:02:58 pm
We are down 37-41 after 3 quarters as our offense stagnated and South Carolina picked up the pace on their end.

Karlie tried going out to play at the beginning of the 2nd half, but you could tell that the ankle was bothering her and she was grimacing around the court. Her mobility was clearly hampered and she was quickly yanked. She came back in at the end of the quarter, but she is not 100% and with a defender clearly attached to her, she cannot get free for an open look at the basket.

Meanwhile, South Carolina went on a run and Alanna picked up her 3rd foul early on, forcing her to the bench. The injury to Karlie and the foul trouble of Alanna has forced Tara to go with a lineup of Bri, Marta, Brit, Erica and Kaylee with Nadia in there. Clearly, those substitutes are not as explosive offensively as Karlie and Alanna are and that has hurt our offense.

Plus it doesn't help that we are missing layups (and second and third chance opportunities) as South Carolina has gone on a 11-0 run. We were able to make a couple layups at the end of the quarter (I was half expecting us to miss), but South Carolina got an offensive rebound at the end to push the lead back up to 4.

Can our defense contain them in the fourth? A'ja Wilson went to the bench in pain, which looked like something with her face or eyes, late in the 3rd.

This is "CODE RED" time for the Cardinal. We need to score; we can't depend on South Carolina to drop off; they have too many threats.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford 29 vs. South Carolina 20 at half
Post by: Boston Card on March 31, 2017, 06:16:54 pm
Down 52-45 with 4:13 left.

BC
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford 29 vs. South Carolina 20 at half
Post by: eric on March 31, 2017, 06:19:17 pm
down 3 with 2 min left
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford 29 vs. South Carolina 20 at half
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 06:21:56 pm
Our offense just seemed really stagnant and slow throughout the game. The crisp decision-making was not there.

It sucks that in our last 5 Final Four games, we've held a first time lead in all of them (tonight, '14 vs. UConn, '12 vs. Baylor, '11 vs. Texas A&M--10-pt lead with 5 to go and '10 vs. UConn) and we could not close the deal on any of them. I know it's ironic to say with all the comebacks we've had this year, but in these big games, our offense and defense could not maintain it for 40 minutes.

In those five games, we were +15 in pt differential in the first half, but an alarming -56 in the second half
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford 29 vs. South Carolina 20 at half
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 06:28:26 pm
What could have been if Karlie didn't get injured?

This team showed so much heart during this run. It will be sad to see the seniors go. I hope our returning players will work to expand and improve their games over the summer and have an even better 2017-18 season.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: 81alum on March 31, 2017, 06:29:21 pm
Good bye, Karlie, Erica, and Bri.  The three of you have given us fans so many exciting moments and happy memories.  At the start of this season we never would have predicted that we would get back to the final four this year, and the three of you willed us there, with your grit and your sisterhood-of-all-teammates.  We shall miss you.  Good luck on your next life projects!
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford 29 vs. South Carolina 20 at half
Post by: leftcoast on March 31, 2017, 06:30:05 pm
Final 53-62 Gamecocks.

Stanford couldn't keep up when South Carolina pushed the pace in the second half.  Also, shots that fell for our team in the second quarter fell mostly short in the third and fourth.  It's difficult to shoot your way out of a slump with your best shooter on the bench nursing a bum ankle.
Title: Re: WBB: Stanford 29 vs. South Carolina 20 at half
Post by: Phogge on March 31, 2017, 06:30:45 pm
Good run without a truly great player this year. Way too many turnovers. Don't watch a lot of women's basketball but it seems like they can build around Smith next year. She has inside and outside skills. Also don't know about who is coming in but they need more athleticism in the backcourt. Was disappointed in McCall who basically had no effect on offense. Nothing to be sad about. Hope Geno gets food poisoning and the team falls apart. Go Cocks!
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: mbdude on March 31, 2017, 06:32:33 pm
With Karlie out I thought we might move Alanna out to 3 pt line at start of 4th quarter - at least give us a viable threat
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 06:37:12 pm
Beyond Karlie's obvious contributions as a shooter, it seemed like our offense was overly cautious and unsure. When we made the comeback against N.D., we were confident and shooting and driving without hesitation.

But tonight, the problem that plagued us throughout the season, even in our wins, came back as that confidence and self-assuredness seemed to evaporate so easily. We were reluctant to shoot, we were reluctant to drive.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: UltimateCard on March 31, 2017, 06:52:24 pm
Beyond Karlie's obvious contributions as a shooter, it seemed like our offense was overly cautious and unsure. When we made the comeback against N.D., we were confident and shooting and driving without hesitation.

But tonight, the problem that plagued us throughout the season, even in our wins, came back as that confidence and self-assuredness seemed to evaporate so easily. We were reluctant to shoot, we were reluctant to drive.

With Karlie's injury, you not only miss her shooting but also her basketball smarts - that had to hurt in such a big game. The Gamecock defenders were able to clamp down on Erica and Britt - only Alanna seemed to get anything going in the second half. Too bad we weren't able to compete at full strength for last 24 minutes. Still, it's been a great season. Grit and playing for one another got the seniors back to another Final Four. Proud of what the team accomplished this year.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: JeffInCorvallis on March 31, 2017, 07:02:38 pm
Great game and great season all around, coming on strong in the Pac-12 tournament and fighting through the travel and extended trip away from campus in the NCAA tournament. I would not have predicted a Final Four appearance for this team at the beginning of the season.

It's too bad that Karlie got hurt. I was really wanting to see a matchup with Katie Lou in the finals. I'm not a hall of fame coach, but it seemed to me like Tara left Karlie in the game too long. She was obviously uncomfortable and didn't have much of an impact on the game. She was too slow on defense and I'm not sure she attempted a shot until the waning moments of the 4th quarter. On the other hand she's a smart basketball player and you gotta go with the seniors that got you here even if they are not 100%. South Carolina was able to pack in the defense and dare us to shoot from long range. We hit some shots but not enough to close the gap.

Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: chimera on March 31, 2017, 07:07:39 pm
Ah well, better rebounding would have helped.  We did not box out well enough.  Losing Karlie allowed them to zone us too easily.  Would we have won if she had not gotten hurt?  Maybe.  Winnable game.  Players seemed to be pressing in the second half.  That foul on Alanna toward the end when we had gotten close, like down 3, had me going nuts.  I thought it was on Wilson.  Alanna had position, was facing the basket, went up for the rebound, and Wilson grabbed it from behind.  Either no foul or a foul on Wilson.  Did I see that wrong?  I don't know that I've seen a foul called like that if I saw it right.  That call might have really changed the game.  Rebounding is ultimately what killed us, that and cold shooting.  I also thought the refs blew the call when Bird drove late and Wilson slid over and got her with the body.  Ball got lost OOB and no call.  the sad thing is I don't think we played close to our best, not nearly as well as we could have.  Some of that was good D by SC, but more of it was us.  How many walking TOs did we have?  Four or five?  Well, it was a great year overall despite the sad end.  Congrats to the team and good luck to the seniors.  It has been a pleasure to cheer for this team.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: triangle2 on March 31, 2017, 07:12:19 pm
I think when I can stomach going back through the second half, what I'll see is that the offensive execution broke down. This team thrived this year on out-executing its opponents and just couldn't do it without a healthy Karlie running her usual cuts around screens  that helped the ball move.

Watching how much more difficult it was for the offense to run with Karlie on the bench was a poignant reminder of what the team is losing for next year. Teams are going to play us very differently without Karlie on the court.

This for me this was one of the most satisfying seasons in recent memory - it is always a pleasure to watch an underdog overachieve. They got so far with a team that lacked a superstar yet achieved so much by playing..."together" and for each other.

You could see after the Votre Dame game how proud Tara was of this team and of her seniors. It was a great run.

Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: RuralFan on March 31, 2017, 07:29:30 pm
It is so hard to remember what an outstanding season it has been when we played so poorly in the second half.  When Karlie couldn't go and we couldn't rebound, I was hoping we would try Bird, Alanna, and Kaylee in the front with Brit, Bri or Marta as the guards. Maybe they have never practiced together.

Each of our three seniors provided something unique and will be remembered for some special wins.  Right now, I have no idea how we will field a team next year, but I suppose we will.
Title: Fouls?
Post by: cardcrimson on March 31, 2017, 07:31:23 pm
Didn't see any of the game. Listened to the first half on XM, nothing on the second half. The color commentated said several times that she couldn't believe there wasn't a foul called on SC. Then I saw the box score, Stanford only shot 5 from the line, while SC shot over 20. Any comments as to why?
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 07:43:57 pm
It is so hard to remember what an outstanding season it has been when we played so poorly in the second half.  When Karlie couldn't go and we couldn't rebound, I was hoping we would try Bird, Alanna, and Kaylee in the front with Brit, Bri or Marta as the guards. Maybe they have never practiced together.

Each of our three seniors provided something unique and will be remembered for some special wins.  Right now, I have no idea how we will field a team next year, but I suppose we will.

Right now, it looks like we have Marta, Brit, Alanna and Kaylee as probable starters, so it leaves one open starting role.

We could go for a bigger lineup by sliding Brit into the 2 and having Fingall join the frontcourt of Smith and Kaylee.

We could go for smaller and more athletic with Carrington at the 2. I was heartened to see her make a couple of big contributions at the end of the game. She only had limited minutes this season playing behind Karlie and Brit and the 2-point guard offense, but I think with her hustle, athleticism and aggression and a summer's worth of improvement, she can make a contribution right away next season.

We need Marta to have the confidence and willingness to hit jumpers, she doesn't have to take 15 shots a game, but she has to make opposing teams pay for sagging off of her.

Kaylee has shown limited flashes of scoring inside, but she needs to contribute more offensively and work on her post moves. She's great at rebounding and defense, but her limited time even after recovering from injury was due to the emergence of Smith's scoring. Tara needed the points and Kaylee couldn't contribute very much.

With Bri's graduation, I think we might see heavy usage of Kiana Williams, despite being a freshman. Sniezek logged in significant time as a freshman at point and if Anna Wilson is not fully recovered from her injury, then Kiana might be called to relieve Marta during games.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: Boston Card on March 31, 2017, 07:53:05 pm
Don't get too excited but Mississippi state is up on the evil empire at the half.

BC
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: chimera on March 31, 2017, 08:02:14 pm
Hard to think about next year right now but it will be another interesting puzzle for the coaches to sort out.  To the good, Alanna has become a key player and should only get better.  Kaylee was starting to find her offensive groove before she got hurt but never recovered it after coming back.  If Alanna can sort of take over the down low scoring we got from Bird, and all indications are she can, Kaylee doesn't need to score a ton, she just needs to be a good complimentary scorer and a key rebounder.  We can also hope and expect Nadia improves and adds to the post rotation.  She got enough time this year to know what she needs to do.  The wild card inside might be Dodson, who maybe can play the 4.  And will Shannon stay healthy and improve enough to get into the rotation?  Certainly possible.  We should be ok inside if everyone is healthy and the improvement trajectory is what we expect.

Outside, we will miss Karlie, probably more than anyone else because we do not seem to have another dead eye shooter like her.  Has to be done by committee because we need shooters.  We cannot space the floor well without them.  So who can shoot?  Brit struggled a lot with her three-point shot for much of the season but got it going later on.  She should be good for a few threes a game besides all her drives and pull ups.  Marta came on late too, getting much better at running the offense and mostly cutting down on TOs from too ambitious passing.  She does need to find a shot, not a lot but she needs to take two or three threes a game and make somewhere around a third to be a credible threat.  Tara seems to think she is a capable shooter, which means it is mental - getting confident and taking in rhythm shots.  Alanna can shoot threes.  Nadia is supposedly a decent shooter also.  DiJonai is a very intriguing player.  She could be fantastic.  She is very strong with the ball and can shoot and rebound.  She can be a bit of a wild card on court but experience should cure that and if and when it does, we could have a special player.  Not sure it will be next year but we can hope.  And what about Alexa, who looks like she can play a little, maybe not as the back-up pg, as she has been playing, but maybe an off guard.  She can shoot, is pretty quick, and maybe next year she gets more time.  Wild cards are Brewer (what is up with her status?), Wilson (how good is she when healthy?  Can she get and stay healthy?) and the freshmen.  Williams could get time if Wilson is not healthy. 

Anyway, back to this year, which I think I will remember very fondly as a fan.  Fun team to root for and they overachieved in my book.  I never thought we were a F4 team, not without a real go-to star player, and with our not always clicking offense, but they pulled it off with grit and teamwork. 
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: Boston Card on March 31, 2017, 08:59:54 pm
Uconn MSU going to OT.

BC
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: CompSci87 on March 31, 2017, 09:01:05 pm
I'm super proud of this year's team. They went way farther than I thought they could at the start of the year: Pac-12 tournament champs and a close 2nd in the regular season, and Final Four in the NCAA tournament. I would never have predicted that.

We'll lose a lot with the seniors, but next year's team will have talent too. We have a strong incoming freshman class with two McD's AAs, the Wisconsin player of the year, and the best player in Canada. In the sophomore class, Anna Wilson looked like the real thing in the rare game or two when she was healthy, while Carrington and Fingall got good experience this year and will hopefully make the customary big improvement from freshman to sophomore. Brewer could contribute too if healthy. I forget who it was, but one of the sportscasters who got to watch practice remarked on how good Alexa Romano looked there, and quoted Tara having some good words about her, but Tara said it was hard to crack the rotation with the guards we had this year in front of her. Hoping to see her do that this coming year.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 09:19:36 pm
There are a lot of uncertainties about the team going into next year with how the starters will improve, how the bench players' production translates over the course of full games and how soon the incoming class will contribute.

It's tough to watch how the season ended and also to wait 7+ months until the next season to start and a year until the next postseason

(and now UConn's streak is at a L1)
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: French Rage on March 31, 2017, 09:20:05 pm
MSU upsets UConn 66-64 in OT.

The Samuelsons are taking suggestions on sights to see in Dallas over the weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: CompSci87 on March 31, 2017, 09:22:01 pm
Uconn MSU going to OT.

MSU wins on a buzzer beater!

Just before that, Lou Samuelson had tied it up on 2 free throws, on a flagrant 1 that was missed in real time but called on video review. Difficult for the officials to call that, but it was correct.

UConn got the ball with a tie score after the free throws, but Chong drove early into traffic and lost the ball. That set up MSU to go for the final shot.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: 81alum on March 31, 2017, 09:23:42 pm
That was one of the most exciting finishes in WBB history as Mississippi State defeats UConn with time expiring in overtime, on Morgan William's jumpshot that dropped through after time expired.  Wow.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: TheFarm07 on March 31, 2017, 09:28:19 pm
MSU upsets UConn 66-64 in OT.

The Samuelsons are taking suggestions on sights to see in Dallas over the weekend.

Between Karlie's bum ankle and Katie Lou's shot to the neck and the two disappointing games for the family, I feel for them. Not the way they wanted to end the season.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: UltimateCard on March 31, 2017, 09:29:51 pm
Snake-bit?!
http://www.espn.com/espnw/culture/the-buzz/article/19038207/kobe-bryant-get-fired-pep-talks-uconn-stanford
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: winflop on March 31, 2017, 09:33:03 pm
Couldn't be more proud of this year's team. It just looked like they ran out of gas in the second half. Lots of good looks and many of them were front rim which is a sign of tired legs. Can't blame them - on the road for basically an entire month and having finals in the middle of the tournament. Not making excuses, but they just didn't have it tonight in the second half.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: neya on April 01, 2017, 05:17:20 am
cant get over it. 😳 what an unfortunate time to get injured.with no superstar,they say this team overachieved this yr.i dont think so.they may not have a superstar but they have a super team.they compensate their mismatches with their smarts.and they play team basketball.their unselfishness got them this far. and im extremely proud to have watched most of their games from a diff continent.

so sad to see karlie ending her career with an injury. she is my fav player on this team.my fav samuelson.i wanted to see more of her.if not for her twisted ankle,stanford is going for the NC no doubt. to me, she is a superstar.

until next season.will still cheer for this team all the way from Manila ☺
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: 81alum on April 01, 2017, 05:20:28 am
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In the Stanford locker room, McCall said, ďI donít think itís hit me yetĒ that the season is over. ďI still feel like weíve got a game in the upcoming days. Right now, Iím smiling. Iím proud of how this team performed. Iím proud of the career Iíve had at Stanford, the love I have here. I can only keep smiling.Ē
http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article/South-Carolina-wins-62-53-in-semi-11042611.php

And we will smile with you, Bird.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: BobK on April 01, 2017, 09:56:28 am
If the foul had been called correctly on Turner not Smith we have the ball down 3 with two Minutes to go.

Ah crap what could have been
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: 81alum on April 01, 2017, 10:31:25 am
If the foul had been called correctly on Turner not Smith we have the ball down 3 with two Minutes to go.

Ah crap what could have been
ESPN3 has the game available on replay with both the standard broadcast and an alternative rim view.  Quite enlightening to watch it from the other angle.  It sure looks like Turner was going over the back of Smith on that rebound, but I guess they thought the rebound was clean and that Smith then got Turner backing up into her while Turner was shooting after the rebound was over.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: fullmetal on April 01, 2017, 03:33:57 pm
Severely questionable calls at best...had an amateur hour feel to them watching from the sports bar TV here.  Sigh.  And I thought McCall had the ball hip-checked out of her hands on a moving screen.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: 81alum on April 02, 2017, 05:55:26 pm
I just found this Tara interview from after the game:

http://www.knowyourleak.com/Tara-VanDerveer-Says-Pac-12s-Gauntlet-Of-Talent-Prepared-Stanford-For-Final-Four-Run-1094668.html

The loss of Karlie and the inability to get to the free throw line are mentioned.  But she keeps it in perspective.  "This team has brought me tremendous joy all season, and I am not going to let 20 minutes ruin what was a tremendous year."

I have to say, that sounds like a coach who still loves coaching.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: TheFarm07 on April 02, 2017, 07:08:28 pm
I hope Tara will continue to coach for a long time, not just as a Stanford alum/fan, but as a women's basketball fan, the game will not be the same once she decides to retire
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: MT on April 02, 2017, 11:49:59 pm
Another ding from our final game.   Karlie went into the game leading the NCAA in 3FG% but she went 0 for 2.   Had she sunk a third attempt, or had not taken any threes, she would have remained in first.  But she finished second at 48.5%.  Not too shabby.

I'm sure Karlie would have been happy with 0-10 if it could have meant we won (and it might have, given the way the first quarter went).   But she was oh so close...


Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: JJJ on April 03, 2017, 02:40:42 pm
I find this story a bit strange.

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Karlie Samuelson was hurting. The senior sharpshooter suffered a right ankle sprain while slipping on the court in a second-quarter moment that might have doomed Stanford on Friday night in the Womenís Final Four.

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Samuelson didnít know what happened with 4:38 left in the half as she was sprawled on the floor. It didnít appear she slipped because of contact. McCall and a Stanford staffer carried her to the sideline as if she were precious cargo.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/31/womens-final-four-stanford-falls-to-no-3-south-carolina/

Ok, Karlie may not have known what happened then and there, but I thought it was rather clear on replay that she rolled her ankle after stepping on a defender's foot.  She didn't "slip" as they claim.   :'(
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: CompSci87 on April 03, 2017, 05:18:55 pm
I noticed that too and put it down to Karlie, the team, and the reporter not having had the benefit of seeing the TV replays at the point when the interview was done and the story was written.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: Viking_Guy on April 03, 2017, 05:38:42 pm
Wasn't there a tripping foul called?

VG
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: CompSci87 on April 03, 2017, 06:38:29 pm
I don't remember if there was. If so it was a common foul and non-shooting; I would have remembered if there were free throws.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: JJJ on April 03, 2017, 06:59:24 pm
I believe a foul was called (non-shooting) although I didn't know what the call was. Tripping sounds about right.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: Viking_Guy on April 03, 2017, 07:00:31 pm
Cuz it sure looked to me like Cuevas stuck her leg in there as Karlie split the seam.  I was a bit upset at the time, though, so my memory may be clouded.

VG
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: CompSci87 on April 03, 2017, 08:53:36 pm
I doubt it was deliberate, but she put her foot down right where Karlie was going, and Karlie stepped on it.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: will on April 04, 2017, 11:15:37 am
Yeah it was a tripping foul. But heck if my ankle had gone in all those directions, I would be in the hospital and not remember what happened. She is one tough cookie. I think she wanted to not show the pain so it would not affect her team.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: Jskass on April 04, 2017, 11:21:57 am
well next year South Carolina now loses not only Coates, but also Davis and Gray who both declared for the WNBA draft.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: 81alum on April 05, 2017, 04:46:59 am
well next year South Carolina now loses not only Coates, but also Davis and Gray who both declared for the WNBA draft.
Each of them transferred to South Carolina and had to sit out a year, so I hope they are both graduating.  It is not necessarily declaring early from the academic standpoint.  If they are not graduating, then that would make me squeamish that the national champion was powered by two players who each played a single year for their program and left with eligibility remaining. 
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: fullmetal on April 05, 2017, 09:37:40 am
Well, if women's basketball players are declaring for the draft with eligibility remaining, then that's another step in the elevation of the sport.

As for being a team fueled by one-and-done mercenaries...it was bound to happen as soon as professional women's basketball became a viable career.
Title: Re: WBB: South Carolina 62 Stanford 53
Post by: BobK on April 05, 2017, 10:37:55 am
The rule forever has been draft eligible after 4 years of college.   So nothing has changed.