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Chronicle today - Phogge - 10-04-2018

Article from Fitz. Quotes an NFL scout with ties to the Stanford program.

“The guys up front are not strong. None of those guys play with any kind of strength...............”

Egads!

RE: Chronicle today - CTcard - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 06:01 AM)Phogge Wrote: Article from Fitz. Quotes an NFL scout with ties to the Stanford program.

“The guys up front are not strong. None of those guys play with any kind of strength............…”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Notre-Dame-game-shows-Stanford-s-O-line-has-13279634.php

First off, when things are going rough, everyone wants to pile on.

Secondly, that is correct.

RE: Chronicle today - Mick - 10-04-2018

Carberry's bona fides are interesting. He is young (2005 UOhio grad), and never coached OL until 2016. He's spent two years in every position. Has done DEs, has held a number of assistant roles. He coached the Redskins' OL with Bill Callahan, and they had a strong running game with two All Pro tackles.

As for strength and conditioning, the football staff directory lists 46 employees, none with the S&C title. I wonder why? What else is missing?

RE: Chronicle today - BobK - 10-04-2018

S&C is a department at Stanford for all sports. Turley is the department head

Yes some sports list their S&C coach but then they have justvone while many work with football

RE: Chronicle today - 82lsju - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 07:43 AM)Mick Wrote: Carberry's bona fides are interesting. He is young (2005 UOhio grad), and never coached OL until 2016. He's spent two years in every position. Has done DEs, has held a number of assistant roles. He coached the Redskins' OL with Bill Callahan, and they had a strong running game with two All Pro tackles.

As for strength and conditioning, the football staff directory lists 46 employees, none with the S&C title. I wonder why? What else is missing?

might be an error or an effort to not have too many people show up under football. In "sports performance" (Turley's team) they show

Cullen Carroll
Assistant Director • Football Sports Performance

Ross Jirgl
Assistant Football Sports Performance Coach

Abe Munayer
Assistant Football Sports Performance Coach

Darius Reese
Associate Football Sports Performance Coach

the listing under Men's basketball

Cory Schlesinger
Associate Olympic Sports Performance Coach

is double listed as he is also shown under Turley

https://gostanford.com/staff.aspx

RE: Chronicle today - SamuelMcF - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 09:04 AM)82lsju Wrote: might be an error or an effort to not have too many people show up under football. In "sports performance" (Turley's team) they show

the listing under Men's basketball

Cory Schlesinger
Associate Olympic Sports Performance Coach

is double listed as he is also shown under Turley

https://gostanford.com/staff.aspx

Schlesinger works with men's basketball and golf. I follow his instagram and his workouts are really interesting.

RE: Chronicle today - BobK - 10-04-2018

Actually far more

http://www.stanfordsportsperformance.com/

RE: Chronicle today - Goose - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 06:30 AM)CTcard Wrote:
(10-04-2018, 06:01 AM)Phogge Wrote: Article from Fitz. Quotes an NFL scout with ties to the Stanford program.

“The guys up front are not strong. None of those guys play with any kind of strength............…”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Notre-Dame-game-shows-Stanford-s-O-line-has-13279634.php

First off, when things are going rough, everyone wants to pile on.

Secondly, that is correct.

Yep, somebody has finally said it. We don't overpower anybody, even though our OL players are not small. I am pretty sure they can all bench press about what is the norm for an O lineman, although I understand that isn't the thrust of our development program. I think it is that simple. While the technical execution does matter, it isn't the whole story. If you can't move the guy you are supposed to block, it isn't going to end well.

RE: Chronicle today - washingtonismoney - 10-04-2018

Maybe there's just a transition penalty to be paid from moving to Bloomgren to Carberry, and everything will be fine in the end. (Though that'd be a shame, because the team is reasonably well equipped at most other units and, with an OL approaching pre-season expectations, it'd be a contendah.)

But, at any rate, this shows the continuing worthlessness of preseason hype. A lot of the chatter preseason was that Carberry was awesome etc etc.

RE: Chronicle today - Hulk01 - 10-04-2018

I doubt it's Carberry.
In the line of fire, athletes default to the technique that works.
And it's unlikely Carberry teaches anything much different in technique.

What I see on replayis a lack of punch--the blow with the hands, mostly drive by the upper body--
and a more acute lack of finish--the drive with the legs.
The OLs are carrying out the assignment and getting to the right spot,
but they're battling to no better than draws with shocking frequency.

If there are technique issues, this game was game five.
They've spotted the issues by now.

My limited view.

RE: Chronicle today - stupac2 - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 03:13 PM)Hulk01 Wrote: I doubt it's Carberry.
In the line of fire, athletes default to the technique that works.
And it's unlikely Carberry teaches anything much different in technique.

What I see on replayis a lack of punch--the blow with the hands, mostly drive by the upper body--
and a more acute lack of finish--the drive with the legs.
The OLs are carrying out the assignment and getting to the right spot,
but they're battling to no better than draws with shocking frequency.

If there are technique issues, this game was game five.
They've spotted the issues by now.

My limited view.

Are you saying that the OL just isn't very good? Essentially that we've managed to whiff on like 3-4 recruiting classes in a row?

RE: Chronicle today - OL84 - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 06:30 AM)CTcard Wrote:
(10-04-2018, 06:01 AM)Phogge Wrote: Article from Fitz. Quotes an NFL scout with ties to the Stanford program.

“The guys up front are not strong. None of those guys play with any kind of strength............…”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Notre-Dame-game-shows-Stanford-s-O-line-has-13279634.php

First off, when things are going rough, everyone wants to pile on.

Secondly, that is correct.

Posty, CT.

RE: Chronicle today - martyup - 10-04-2018

The big nerds are just not angry enough. They need some Harbaughesque motivation.

RE: Chronicle today - qwerty49 - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 04:37 PM)martyup Wrote: The big nerds are just not angry enough. They need some Harbaughesque motivation.

Time for some steakeaters to step up.

RE: Chronicle today - BostonCard - 10-04-2018

The concern in my mind is that at least three players are playing below the level they were last year, one dramatically below. Guys who used to overpower the guys across from them are playing them to a draw. Maybe it is due to trying to do too much; we continue to have a big hole in one position and it may be that guys are trying to make up for it instead of worrying about their own man. But I am concerned that from 2017 to 2018 several guys are playing weaker than they used to be. If it were one player, you might wonder about an injury. But when most of the line is down, you have to ask about systemic factors.

BC

RE: Chronicle today - qwerty49 - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 05:59 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The concern in my mind is that at least three players are playing below the level they were last year, one dramatically below. Guys who used to overpower the guys across from them are playing them to a draw. Maybe it is due to trying to do too much; we continue to have a big hole in one position and it may be that guys are trying to make up for it instead of worrying about their own man. But I am concerned that from 2017 to 2018 several guys are playing weaker than they used to be.

BC

It's fair to say that FIVE of our top 6 guys have been battling injuries this year. I think only Herbig has been relatively injury free. I don't remember this happening to this extent in recent years.

We have a bye and a mini-bye coming up. Hopefully we can get through Utah relatively unscathed, and hopefully some extra time to heal will help.

RE: Chronicle today - washingtonismoney - 10-04-2018

(10-04-2018, 03:25 PM)stupac2 Wrote: Are you saying that the OL just isn't very good? Essentially that we've managed to whiff on like 3-4 recruiting classes in a row?

Hmm -- that can't be it. Little was, by some reckonings, the #1 recruit in the country his year. Hamilton and Fanaika were top 300 players. Burkett was a three-star with offers from schools like FSU, Nebraska, Vanderbilt (while coached by James Franklin). Herbig has a proven track record. Hall has been up and down but as a veteran player should, you'd think, be more up than down. It's just completely puzzling.

RE: Chronicle today - fullmetal - 10-04-2018

Hulk is right, as usual. I have to guess that most of the OL are plagued with lingering effects of injury. If you're not 100% when the season starts, you won't reach 100% at all as the season progresses. Each game is like being in several car wrecks, as the saying goes, so you're only putting wear and tear on the body game after game. If there's no upper body punch or connection between legs/mass and hands, then I'm guessing the guys are weak in the core or not getting low enough.

Maybe they're not training hard enough, nasty enough, with enough attitude. I'm not personally convinced you have to have attitude to train hard, but negative emotions do help motivate you through hard work. And as mentioned before, regression is very possible. If you don't get stronger or maintain over the offseason, everyone else is going to surpass you.

I don't think we've whiffed on recruiting. The raw talent is there. The talent needs to step up/heal up and get low/get to work.

RE: Chronicle today - stupac2 - 10-05-2018

Ok, so there are a bunch of hypotheses for our OL problems:

1) Bad talent. Seems unlikely.
2) Bad development. Given that we'd seen most of them before, that seems unlikely.
3) Bad scheme. The scheme hasn't really changed, see above.
4) Bad coaching. This makes the most sense for a widespread regression, but doesn't really explain guys going from pushing people around to failing to.
5) Everyone's injured. What are the odds?

So nothing really makes sense. I guess that's why this is so puzzling.

RE: Chronicle today - ChicagoCard - 10-05-2018

Maybe bring Pat Hill in as a consultant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Hill