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Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - JJJ - 11-19-2020
Behind a paywall, but a heads-up to those who subscribe.
Seems like a guy who wants to blaze his own trail and will be a good fit for Stanford, even if for 9-10 months initially.
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Embrace different: Ziaire Williams is at Stanford because he sees the whole court
Brian Hamilton
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - slide - 11-19-2020
that was a good read. thanks for flagging.
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - JJJ - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 03:21 PM)slide Wrote: that was a good read. thanks for flagging.my pleasure. i rarely catch Stanford articles in The Athletic myself so i figured someone might benefit from the unlikely event when i see something.
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - OutsiderFan - 11-19-2020
Very good insight into Ziaire Williams and Jerod Hasse. Thanks for sharing.
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - Brickcity - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 03:17 PM)JJJ Wrote: Behind a paywall, but a heads-up to those who subscribe.
Seems like a guy who wants to blaze his own trail and will be a good fit for Stanford, even if for 9-10 months initially.
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Embrace different: Ziaire Williams is at Stanford because he sees the whole court
Brian Hamilton
Did you read anything in this article that would lead you to believe there's a decent chance he sticks around for his sophomore season?
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - OutsiderFan - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 05:26 PM)Brickcity Wrote:(11-19-2020, 03:17 PM)JJJ Wrote: Behind a paywall, but a heads-up to those who subscribe.
Seems like a guy who wants to blaze his own trail and will be a good fit for Stanford, even if for 9-10 months initially.
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Embrace different: Ziaire Williams is at Stanford because he sees the whole court
Brian Hamilton
Did you read anything in this article that would lead you to believe there's a decent chance he sticks around for his sophomore season?
No, but I did read more than one time in the article that he fully intends to leave after his Frosh season.
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - SamuelMcF - 11-19-2020
He's a mega-whale one-and-done. No chance he stays longer than a year.
The beauty of being a mega-whale one-and-done is you can do it from whatever school you want. The NBA doesn't care where you play if you're a mega-whale. So why not do it here?
- The #1 overall pick, Anthony Edwards, played at a downright terrible Georgia.
- The #2 overall pick, James Wiseman, played exactly 3 games at Memphis. (Memphis also had a second mega-whale freshman, Precious Achiuwa, drafted #20.)
- UW had 2 mega-whale freshmen drafted in the first round, and they came dead last in the Pac-12 this season.
- Vanderbilt came dead last in the SEC 2 seasons ago, and their mega-whale 5* recruit Darius Garland was hurt 5 games in...and got drafted #5 overall.
- Mega-whale freshman Trae Young's Oklahoma came second-to-last in the Big 12 in 2017.
Ziaire's fellow 2020 mega-whales, 5* CG/#1 overall player Cade Cuningham and 5* C Makur Maker, will be playing their one-and-done seasons at decidedly-not-a-powerhouse Oklahoma State, and...Howard.
Tippy-top recruits have to notice the fact that this year was the first since 2000 that Kansas/Duke/UNC/Kentucky combined for ZERO lottery picks.
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - Brickcity - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 06:12 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: He's a mega-whale one-and-done. No chance he stays longer than a year.
The beauty of being a mega-whale one-and-done is you can do it from whatever school you want. The NBA doesn't care where you play if you're a mega-whale. So why not do it here?
- The #1 overall pick, Anthony Edwards, played at a downright terrible Georgia.
- The #2 overall pick, James Wiseman, played exactly 3 games at Memphis. (Memphis also had a second mega-whale freshman, Precious Achiuwa, drafted #20.)
- UW had 2 mega-whale freshmen drafted in the first round, and they came dead last in the Pac-12 this season.
- Vanderbilt came dead last in the SEC 2 seasons ago, and their mega-whale 5* recruit Darius Garland was hurt 5 games in...and got drafted #5 overall.
- Mega-whale freshman Trae Young's Oklahoma came second-to-last in the Big 12 in 2017.
Ziaire's fellow 2020 mega-whales, 5* CG/#1 overall player Cade Cuningham and 5* C Makur Maker, will be playing their one-and-done seasons at decidedly-not-a-powerhouse Oklahoma State, and...Howard.
Tippy-top recruits have to notice the fact that this year was the first since 2000 that Kansas/Duke/UNC/Kentucky combined for ZERO lottery picks.
Well, I guess it's all about "living for the moment" (this season) when thinking about Ziaire. That said, if he helps Stanford have a great season, that can only help recruiting.
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - BostonCard - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 06:12 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: He's a mega-whale one-and-done. No chance he stays longer than a year.
The beauty of being a mega-whale one-and-done is you can do it from whatever school you want. The NBA doesn't care where you play if you're a mega-whale. So why not do it here?
- The #1 overall pick, Anthony Edwards, played at a downright terrible Georgia.
- The #2 overall pick, James Wiseman, played exactly 3 games at Memphis. (Memphis also had a second mega-whale freshman, Precious Achiuwa, drafted #20.)
- UW had 2 mega-whale freshmen drafted in the first round, and they came dead last in the Pac-12 this season.
- Vanderbilt came dead last in the SEC 2 seasons ago, and their mega-whale 5* recruit Darius Garland was hurt 5 games in...and got drafted #5 overall.
- Mega-whale freshman Trae Young's Oklahoma came second-to-last in the Big 12 in 2017.
Ziaire's fellow 2020 mega-whales, 5* CG/#1 overall player Cade Cuningham and 5* C Makur Maker, will be playing their one-and-done seasons at decidedly-not-a-powerhouse Oklahoma State, and...Howard.
Tippy-top recruits have to notice the fact that this year was the first since 2000 that Kansas/Duke/UNC/Kentucky combined for ZERO lottery picks.
Not that I'm going to complain about Mega-whale-one-and-dones coming to Stanford, but I do wonder why. Bragging rights of saying you got in? Chance of graduating if you are found to suffer a career-ending injury or have a career threatening congenital cardiovascular anomaly? Intention to come back after his NBA career? If I were a mega-whale-one-and-done with no intention of graduating from college, I wouldn't want my one year in college filled with having to do enough work to stay eligible at a pretty elite academic school. I'd go somewhere where I could mail it in academically and remain eligible, and pick someplace with either good weather, a great party scene, or a chance of college basketball glory.
And man, for UW, how bad is it to have two first rounders and come in dead last in the conferene (to be fair, they were injured for a good bit of time, but still).
BC
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - VB Card - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 07:42 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(11-19-2020, 06:12 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: He's a mega-whale one-and-done. No chance he stays longer than a year.
The beauty of being a mega-whale one-and-done is you can do it from whatever school you want. The NBA doesn't care where you play if you're a mega-whale. So why not do it here?
- The #1 overall pick, Anthony Edwards, played at a downright terrible Georgia.
- The #2 overall pick, James Wiseman, played exactly 3 games at Memphis. (Memphis also had a second mega-whale freshman, Precious Achiuwa, drafted #20.)
- UW had 2 mega-whale freshmen drafted in the first round, and they came dead last in the Pac-12 this season.
- Vanderbilt came dead last in the SEC 2 seasons ago, and their mega-whale 5* recruit Darius Garland was hurt 5 games in...and got drafted #5 overall.
- Mega-whale freshman Trae Young's Oklahoma came second-to-last in the Big 12 in 2017.
Ziaire's fellow 2020 mega-whales, 5* CG/#1 overall player Cade Cuningham and 5* C Makur Maker, will be playing their one-and-done seasons at decidedly-not-a-powerhouse Oklahoma State, and...Howard.
Tippy-top recruits have to notice the fact that this year was the first since 2000 that Kansas/Duke/UNC/Kentucky combined for ZERO lottery picks.
Not that I'm going to complain about Mega-whale-one-and-dones coming to Stanford, but I do wonder why. Bragging rights of saying you got in? Chance of graduating if you are found to suffer a career-ending injury or have a career threatening congenital cardiovascular anomaly? Intention to come back after his NBA career? If I were a mega-whale-one-and-done with no intention of graduating from college, I wouldn't want my one year in college filled with having to do enough work to stay eligible at a pretty elite academic school. I'd go somewhere where I could mail it in academically and remain eligible, and pick someplace with either good weather, a great party scene, or a chance of college basketball glory.
And man, for UW, how bad is it to have two first rounders and come in dead last in the conferene (to be fair, they were injured for a good bit of time, but still).
BC
I'm guessing you didn't read the article if you're questioning why. He's definitely a kid who values the connections that Stanford brings and wants to one day get involved in the business world. He can always finish his degree down the road. Also, no CBB player is getting a real party scene this year anyways.
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - SamuelMcF - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 07:42 PM)BostonCard Wrote: If I were a mega-whale-one-and-done with no intention of graduating from college, I wouldn't want my one year in college filled with having to do enough work to stay eligible at a pretty elite academic school.
Good thing that doesn't describe Ziaire :)
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - winflop - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 07:42 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not that I'm going to complain about Mega-whale-one-and-dones coming to Stanford, but I do wonder why.
Forty-year decision. He can come back and get his degree after his NBA career, or during
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - Bampa - 11-19-2020
I'd rather have a four star who stays three or four years than a five star one-and-done.
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - BostonCard - 11-19-2020
I was just speaking about generic one-and-done-mega-whales, and not the specific species of mega-whale, Ziairis Willaimsienses
BC
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - SamuelMcF - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 08:34 PM)Bampa Wrote: I'd rather have a four star who stays three or four years than a five star one-and-done.
We have a couple of those in this class. Michael O'Connell and Max Murrell. Noah Taitz was also a 4* but got hurt before his senior season.
Tyrell Terry was supposed to be our 4* PG of the future. Turns out he's too good. Whoops!
I think this is just as much about future recruiting prowess too. Landing a guy like Ziaire will help us land more very solid guys who will stick around longer. Guys will see (and are seeing...cough, Harrison and Isa?) that Haase can get you to the league. Ziaire will make 3 straight years with an NBA draft pick out of Stanford. When was the last time we had that?
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - Goose - 11-19-2020
I could swear Mirrelees had trash chutes. Certainly there were ones on the end of each wing. Did they get removed in some renovation?
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - magnus - 11-20-2020
(11-19-2020, 10:18 PM)Goose Wrote: I could swear Mirrelees had trash chutes. Certainly there were ones on the end of each wing. Did they get removed in some renovation?I assumed they were locked (down) for covid safety. (Not that i recall whether there were chutes or not)
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - Hank 91 - 11-24-2020
I stumbled across this article today and came here to make sure it had been posted. One of the best Stanford basketball articles I've read in quite a while. As for his one-and-done status, it doesn't bother me. Sure, I miss the days when we could root for a player for four seasons, but I can blame neither the player who wants to make money in the NBA nor the program that wants to nurture him for a year.
One other note -- any article that's about someone named Williams and begins with a red wheelbarrow, is okay by me!
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - OutsiderFan - 11-24-2020
The Athletic also did a 2021 NBA Mock Draft today. Ziaire Williams was #7 on the list, FWIW.
What's the highest a Stanford player has been drafted?
RE: Heads up: The Athletic article on Ziaire Williams - SamuelMcF - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 04:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The Athletic also did a 2021 NBA Mock Draft today. Ziaire Williams was #7 on the list, FWIW.
What's the highest a Stanford player has been drafted?
Josh Childress, #6 pick in 2004.