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Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 10-13-2015

Pivec accepted I'm about 100% and will announce on her birthday about Nov 19.    Pivec's parents are udub grads and that is a brobdingnagian attraction.  But I feel good.

Carrington visited Oregon last weekend where her brother is on the FB team. 

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - Jskass - 10-13-2015

can u imagine if Oregon gets Carrington (brother there), Ionescu (twin brother being considered there) and all the others they already have like Sierra Campisano and Mallory McGwire? they have really poured it on from a recruiting perspective.

How do we do that? Does Nicole Powell get involved in their recruiting? If so, wonder if she'd ever return to the Farm...

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - 81alum - 10-13-2015

(10-13-2015, 12:10 PM)Jskass link Wrote:can u imagine if Oregon gets Carrington (brother there), Ionescu (twin brother being considered there) and all the others they already have like Sierra Campisano and Mallory McGwire? they have really poured it on from a recruiting perspective.

How do we do that? Does Nicole Powell get involved in their recruiting? If so, wonder if she'd ever return to the Farm...
Oregon is on the way to becoming our next challenger, which is exactly what everyone expected when Kelley Graves left Gonzaga to go there.  It is becoming the next Gonzaga.  I still think we will have the edge in personnel and in recruiting, but our conference is becoming more competitive.  At least Graves seems to be a good guy who gets along well with Tara.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 10-13-2015

Of course Powell gets involved with recruiting.  :D



Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - 81alum - 10-27-2015

OK, to wrap up this annual thread, then.  Unless Tara figures out a way to give out five scholarships next year that I am unaware, our 2016 class will consist of:

Nadia Fingall, of Florida, a 6'2" forward with athletic defense and good moves in the paint.  ESPN 26
Dijonai Carrington, of San Diego, a 6'0 guard who is good in contact and from mid range.  ESPN 24 34
Anna Wilson, of Washington State, a 5'7" guard who happens to be the sister of a certain Seattle quarterback.  ESPN 58
Mikaela Brewer, of Canada, a 5'10" wing/guard who shoots treys with icy confidence.  Not in ESPN's top 100--but ESPN does a poor job with international evaluation.



Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-27-2015

(10-27-2015, 09:12 PM)81alum link Wrote:OK, to wrap up this annual thread, then.  Unless Tara figures out a way to give out five scholarships next year that I am unaware, our 2016 class will consist of:

Nadia Fingall, of Florida, a 6'2" forward with athletic defense and good moves in the paint.  ESPN 26
Dijonai Carrington, of San Diego, a 6'0 guard who is good in contact and from mid range.  ESPN 24
Anna Wilson, of Washington State, a 5'7" guard who happens to be the sister of a certain Seattle quarterback.  ESPN 58
Mikaela Brewer, of Canada, a 5'10" wing/guard who shoots treys with icy confidence.  Not in ESPN's top 100--but ESPN does a poor job with international evaluation.

That sounds like a nice variety of talents and strengths and weaknesses that Tara can mix and match.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 10-29-2015

Pivec committed to Oregon State.  Very interesting and makes me think while simply reading tea leaves that we choose Brewer.  In any case we are done. 

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - SControl - 10-29-2015

Brewer from North of the border came as a surprise. She seems to have a little more size and international experience vs Pivec. From what I've watched of her, her game may be very similar to Karlie (ability to shoot beyond the arc) and Brittany (hussle player who doesn't mind doing some dirty work). With that said, another observation is that she may not have the combo guard skill we're used to seeing with Lili, Briana and even Jeanette a few years back, as she seems to dribble too high (she had a few turnovers trying to bring the ball up) and Canada's performance overall in the FIBA tournament was not the greatest (not sure how many games Brewer started).

Let's hope we went with the right Mikayla/Mikaela. This video just released of Pivec and I have to admit she looks good. Doesn't shy away from contact. Has a scoring guard mentality and the dribble to ge to the rim. Can shoot the 3 + some midrange game.

http://youtu.be/3r-mb0PYZqA

Either way, great recruiting class considering Wilson was the only 2016 name for a little while after others committed elsewhere. Very intrigued to see how Tara puts it all together. She seems to be putting together a great cast but I can only imagine how much a top player (ala Appel, Nneka, Chiney, Lauren Cox, Briana Turner) would elevate our most recent recruiting classes.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - Jskass - 10-29-2015

if she continues to make strong teams, it can't be long before another top recruit or two join!

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 10-29-2015

We always think of a 4 point student being a Stanford student but what if zero AP classes?  What if 1100 SAT?  So hard to tell about the Stanford admit prospects of a Turner or a Cox and now we see Cox also didn't want to leave Texas.

So did Tara miss? Or something else ? 

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-29-2015

(10-29-2015, 10:27 AM)Jskass link Wrote:if she continues to make strong teams, it can't be long before another top recruit or two join!

Umm, short of breaking the UConn monopoly and winning national championships, there's not much beyond 6 Final Fours in the last 9 years and a near-lock on Pac-12 championships that Tara can do more of on the court to entice top recruits.  We've already hashed this on other threads, so no need to go over it again, but we have to deal with what we have (which isn't bad)

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - SControl - 10-30-2015

(10-29-2015, 10:35 AM)BobK link Wrote:We always think of a 4 point student being a Stanford student but what if zero AP classes?  What if 1100 SAT?  So hard to tell about the Stanford admit prospects of a Turner or a Cox and now we see Cox also didn't want to leave Texas.

So did Tara miss? Or something else ?

Not at all. My notes were merely observations as Tara and the rest of the coaching staff are expert evaluators and have both found plenty of under the radar talent and developed them (e.g. kokenis pre-retirement, Lili, etc.).

I think Tara is one of the best coaches to ever coach college WBB. She really runs with what is given to her with an extremely limited talent pool (to pass through admissions). Not only should her track record and coaching ability attract top talent but the appeal of living in California + an incredible degree makes Stanford ahard choice to decline. However, i can't help but wonder how the lack of recent championships has done to deter top (and seemingly qualified) players to the farm.  Take the youngest Samuelson sister as an example. Id go out on a limb and say a factor to her moving cross country to Storrs was the liklihood of her coming out of college with at least 1 national championship before graduating college. I believe had Tara won a championship in the last decade, the 2010 game comes first to mind, we'd possibly have more players coming to Stanford to play for a HOF coach, get a top notch degree, live in one of the most desired locations, AND would have a chance of playing for and winning a national championship.

I look at Notre Dame and how they've been able to attract top the last 6 years or so. I think those players go in thinking theyre getting a great education AND possibly win a national championship (despite coming up short the last few years) whereas coming to Stanford almost seems like you have to pick one or the other...

Just trying to keep the conversation going. Excuse the scattered thoughts and typos as this was written at 1 in the am and I am typing using typo-probe small iPhone keys.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-30-2015

(10-30-2015, 12:47 AM)SControl link Wrote:Not at all. My notes were merely observations as Tara and the rest of the coaching staff are expert evaluators and have both found plenty of under the radar talent and developed them (e.g. kokenis pre-retirement, Lili, etc.).

I think Tara is one of the best coaches to ever coach college WBB. She really runs with what is given to her with an extremely limited talent pool (to pass through admissions). Not only should her track record and coaching ability attract top talent but the appeal of living in California + an incredible degree makes Stanford ahard choice to decline. However, i can't help but wonder how the lack of recent championships has done to deter top (and seemingly qualified) players to the farm.  Take the youngest Samuelson sister as an example. Id go out on a limb and say a factor to her moving cross country to Storrs was the liklihood of her coming out of college with at least 1 national championship before graduating college. I believe had Tara won a championship in the last decade, the 2010 game comes first to mind, we'd possibly have more players coming to Stanford to play for a HOF coach, get a top notch degree, live in one of the most desired locations, AND would have a chance of playing for and winning a national championship.

I look at the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends and how they've been able to attract top the last 6 years or so. I think those players go in thinking theyre getting a great education AND possibly win a national championship (despite coming up short the last few years) whereas coming to Stanford almost seems like you have to pick one or the other...

Just trying to keep the conversation going. Excuse the scattered thoughts and typos as this was written at 1 in the am and I am typing using typo-probe small iPhone keys.

We had this discussion in threads before, but I don't think the lack of a national title is driving the top recruits away.  Over the past 8 years, we've reached 6 Final Fours and 2 Sweet Sixteens and nearly swept the Pac-12 titles and for most of those years, we dominated league play.  With UConn's domination of national championships, only a handful of other teams (N.D., Maryland, Baylor) have had the same success.

Over the past 4-5 years, schools whose combined postseason record over the last few years don't equal ours (Nebraska, Texas, Ohio State, UCLA, Georgia Tech, etc.) have had Top 10 recruits come to their program.

In this year's ESPN's Top 20 Recruiting Classes, we are ranked #17.  Over the last 8 years, we have had as many Final Fours (6) than 14 of those schools combined during that same time period.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - Jskass - 10-30-2015

Think I have to go with SControl on this one because there is a sense that over the past 20 years, we just haven't been able to get over the hump. At least Notre Dame says they consistently get to the championship game and are "this close" to winning...whereas we lately haven't gotten that close. Having attended the 2012 Final Four which featured Nneka and Chiney but were unfortunately paired against Baylor in the semi-final game (despite being ranked #2), I have no response to the doubters on other boards who point out that we couldn't get it done even with both sisters. It's the unfortunate reality but soon enough we will surprise, we hope.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 10-30-2015

If 6 F4s isn't close what is close?    :D

Disagree on Katie Lou, SControl, but water over the damn now. 

SControl great to have you posting here, thanks and keep them coming. 

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 10-30-2015

A friend noticed that the ESPN is not truely up to date.  Strange yes

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-30-2015

(10-30-2015, 08:53 AM)Jskass link Wrote:Think I have to go with SControl on this one because there is a sense that over the past 20 years, we just haven't been able to get over the hump. At least the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends says they consistently get to the championship game and are "this close" to winning...whereas we lately haven't gotten that close. Having attended the 2012 Final Four which featured Nneka and Chiney but were unfortunately paired against Baylor in the semi-final game (despite being ranked #2), I have no response to the doubters on other boards who point out that we couldn't get it done even with both sisters. It's the unfortunate reality but soon enough we will surprise, we hope.

N.D. has been the runner-up in 4 of the last 5 national title games and our title game appearances were in 2008 and 2010 (losses to Tennessee and Connecticut), so in that respect, they have been "closer" to winning the title, though some of those games were blowouts (19 point loss to Baylor in 2012 and 21 point loss to UConn in 2014)

However, beyond N.D. and UConn, there has not been a more successful program in the last few years than ours and though we do lose recruits to N.D. (even though I seem to remember Tara mentioning before this spring's Sweet 16 game that we don't compete with them over the same recruits or am I misremembering?...), that doesn't explain why it doesn't seem there's not widespread interest in attending Stanford or that we lose recruits to Duke or other less successful programs.  When you hear of prospects considering colleges, we seldom make even the long list of schools they are considering.  We are not even in the conversation.

When 81alum or others make their list (like for the Class of 2017 prospects), we don't even have any Top-20 recruits on the radar a YEAR out and early on in the recruiting process, what does that tell you? And this is largely the pattern for the last few years with only an exception or two (Katie Lou).

As SControl pointed out, "we'd possibly have more players coming to Stanford to play for a HOF coach, get a top notch degree, live in one of the most desired locations, AND would have a chance of playing for and winning a national championship," the brochure writes itself and Tara shouldn't have any problem generating goals from HS freshmen and sophomores wanting to take AP courses and enroll in SAT tutoring so they can pass our tough admissions standards when they are upperclassmen and play on the Farm.  After all, a WNBA career is nowhere as lucrative as a NBA career and they'll probably need a great degree for their post-basketball future.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-30-2015

By the way, ESPN has Pivec committing to Oregon State.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - Jskass - 10-30-2015

(10-30-2015, 11:37 AM)TheFarm07 link Wrote:[quote author=Jskass link=topic=11153.msg137840#msg137840 date=1446220409]
Think I have to go with SControl on this one because there is a sense that over the past 20 years, we just haven't been able to get over the hump. At least the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends says they consistently get to the championship game and are "this close" to winning...whereas we lately haven't gotten that close. Having attended the 2012 Final Four which featured Nneka and Chiney but were unfortunately paired against Baylor in the semi-final game (despite being ranked #2), I have no response to the doubters on other boards who point out that we couldn't get it done even with both sisters. It's the unfortunate reality but soon enough we will surprise, we hope.

N.D. has been the runner-up in 4 of the last 5 national title games and our title game appearances were in 2008 and 2010 (losses to Tennessee and Connecticut), so in that respect, they have been "closer" to winning the title, though some of those games were blowouts (19 point loss to Baylor in 2012 and 21 point loss to UConn in 2014)

However, beyond N.D. and UConn, there has not been a more successful program in the last few years than ours and though we do lose recruits to N.D. (even though I seem to remember Tara mentioning before this spring's Sweet 16 game that we don't compete with them over the same recruits or am I misremembering?...), that doesn't explain why it doesn't seem there's not widespread interest in attending Stanford or that we lose recruits to Duke or other less successful programs.  When you hear of prospects considering colleges, we seldom make even the long list of schools they are considering.  We are not even in the conversation.

When 81alum or others make their list (like for the Class of 2017 prospects), we don't even have any Top-20 recruits on the radar a YEAR out and early on in the recruiting process, what does that tell you? And this is largely the pattern for the last few years with only an exception or two (Katie Lou).

As SControl pointed out, "we'd possibly have more players coming to Stanford to play for a HOF coach, get a top notch degree, live in one of the most desired locations, AND would have a chance of playing for and winning a national championship," the brochure writes itself and Tara shouldn't have any problem generating goals from HS freshmen and sophomores wanting to take AP courses and enroll in SAT tutoring so they can pass our tough admissions standards when they are upperclassmen and play on the Farm.  After all, a WNBA career is nowhere as lucrative as a NBA career and they'll probably need a great degree for their post-basketball future.
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I think Duke gets recruits over us - DESPITE inferior coaching and results - for two reasons: (1) proximity (for East Coast kids whose parents don't want them going to CA for school) and (2) relaxed admissions standards for WBB. But I'm still amazed how often top kids go there, though I suspect some who just can't be admitted to Stanford but still have their #1 priority as academics (but are top 20 ranked) opt for Duke. Yes, it also appears Notre Dame gets some (Skylar Diggins several years back was supposedly admitted to Stanford; more recently Brianna Turner and Erin Boley, though not sure of admissions).

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 10-30-2015

Boley committed long before she could have received an App.  Diggins and Katie Lou admitted. The last player accepted who went to Duke was maybe 7 years ago.   

Of course their are many we would love to recruit and they would love to come to Stanford but academics are in the way and then there are those who don't want to come who might well have been accepted.