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RE: NBA Playoffs - TrumpCard - 06-19-2022
(06-19-2022, 08:36 AM)lex24 Wrote: Lacob comes off as kind of a jerk. But he’s a great owner. Hires good people and writes massive checks. Warriors are way over the cap. Big luxury tax bill. Need to sign Poole and Wiggins to extensions. And despite having to pay a steep tax, are likely to do so.
Is there anyone on the current team you do not expect the Warriors to extend/re-sign? Their roster, including luxury tax, would exceed $500 million in 2023-2024 if they continue to retain everyone. I am assuming that Porter will be gone this year, and I think there’s a significant chance they will be unable to match offers for Payton or Looney. For next summer, I think they either will have to let Wiggins go or they’ll have to package Klay with picks or players on rookie scale contracts to get someone to take on his salary.
RE: NBA Playoffs - lex24 - 06-20-2022
(06-19-2022, 12:41 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:(06-19-2022, 08:36 AM)lex24 Wrote: Lacob comes off as kind of a jerk. But he’s a great owner. Hires good people and writes massive checks. Warriors are way over the cap. Big luxury tax bill. Need to sign Poole and Wiggins to extensions. And despite having to pay a steep tax, are likely to do so.
Is there anyone on the current team you do not expect the Warriors to extend/re-sign? Their roster, including luxury tax, would exceed $500 million in 2023-2024 if they continue to retain everyone. I am assuming that Porter will be gone this year, and I think there’s a significant chance they will be unable to match offers for Payton or Looney. For next summer, I think they either will have to let Wiggins go or they’ll have to package Klay with picks or players on rookie scale contracts to get someone to take on his salary.
Payton will probably be gone. Porter also. They will figure out a way to keep Wiggins. No way they ever trade Klay.
They can afford to pay the tax. Bought team in 2010 for $450,000,000. Forbes has them at $5.6 Billion. It will increase after the Championship.
RE: NBA Playoffs - Mick - 06-20-2022
(06-20-2022, 07:52 AM)lex24 Wrote:(06-19-2022, 12:41 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:(06-19-2022, 08:36 AM)lex24 Wrote: Lacob comes off as kind of a jerk. But he’s a great owner. Hires good people and writes massive checks. Warriors are way over the cap. Big luxury tax bill. Need to sign Poole and Wiggins to extensions. And despite having to pay a steep tax, are likely to do so.
Is there anyone on the current team you do not expect the Warriors to extend/re-sign? Their roster, including luxury tax, would exceed $500 million in 2023-2024 if they continue to retain everyone. I am assuming that Porter will be gone this year, and I think there’s a significant chance they will be unable to match offers for Payton or Looney. For next summer, I think they either will have to let Wiggins go or they’ll have to package Klay with picks or players on rookie scale contracts to get someone to take on his salary.
Payton will probably be gone. Porter also. They will figure out a way to keep Wiggins. No way they ever trade Klay.
They can afford to pay the tax. Bought team in 2010 for $450,000,000. Forbes has them at $5.6 Billion. It will increase after the Championship.
They can afford the tax from a number of different perspectives. Their playoff revenue was in the $35 million to $45 million range. The Chase Center brings in $700 million annually in revenue.
RE: NBA Playoffs - Phogge - 06-20-2022
Go Grizz!
RE: NBA Playoffs - OutsiderFan - 06-20-2022
Tim Kawakami wrote a column saying the only players the Warriors might not bring back are Porter Jr., Bjelica, and Iguodala who would seem to be a lock for not coming back as he's likely to retire from the NBA.
No matter who leaves, reality is the W's will be a top choice for mid-level exception and vet minimum ring chasers.
RE: NBA Playoffs - BostonCard - 06-20-2022
I imagine the Warriors will try to squeeze one more ring out of this bunch before age and contract obligations close the window. Plus, I imagine some guys will want to get paid now that they have their championship. So I don’t think there’s much of a remaining runway left.
Then rebuild/reload. The question is whether you sacrifice some years just to make sure Steph is a lifetime Warrior. Here’s his projected trajectory.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-player-projections/stephen-curry/
BC
RE: NBA Playoffs - TrumpCard - 06-20-2022
(06-20-2022, 11:16 AM)BostonCard Wrote: I imagine the Warriors will try to squeeze one more ring out of this bunch before age and contract obligations close the window. Plus, I imagine some guys will want to get paid now that they have their championship. So I don’t think there’s much of a remaining runway left.
Then rebuild/reload. The question is whether you sacrifice some years just to make sure Steph is a lifetime Warrior. Here’s his projected trajectory.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-player-projections/stephen-curry/
BC
I would be a little surprised if they didn't retain the core for '22-'23. I'm not sure about the role players (Looney, Payton, Porter, etc.), but as indicated above, there will be some ring chasers who'll fill out the roster anyway. The bigger issue is '23-'24. If the Warrriors want to extend Poole and re-sign Wiggins, they're going to have a 500mm roster that season (including tax). Once that season is over, Klay and Dray will come off the books. At that point, those two will be in their age-34 season, and they should be a lot cheaper to re-sign. I'm not saying the team will do it, and I'm not saying they'd be likely to win another title in '24-'25 anyway, but it's not absurd to think ownership could keep the band together at that point. The real problem is '23-'24. And to make matters worse, they don't hold their own 1st round pick that year, so that's not the ideal time to start a rebuild. Curry is a transcendent player, but he's 34 and he's got 4 more years at 50mm per. That's going to be a problem for the team sooner or later.
RE: NBA Playoffs - BostonCard - 06-20-2022
I think we agree TC. I see the team doing whatever it can to extend the run through 2023, then let the chips fall where they may. Maybe they can get creative for 2024, maybe the whole thing implodes, who knows. But as long as one more ring is possible for 2023, you do whatever it takes.
BC
RE: NBA Playoffs - Mick - 06-20-2022
I just read that the LA Lakers intend to make a full court press, so to speak, for Looney, Porter and GP2.
RE: NBA Playoffs - TrumpCard - 06-20-2022
(06-20-2022, 10:28 PM)Mick Wrote: I just read that the LA Lakers intend to make a full court press, so to speak, for Looney, Porter and GP2.
That’s laughable. They’ll have one taxpayer mid level exception and a bunch of league min spots to fill. They probably won’t be able to outbid the Warriors for even one of the three, and that’s leaving aside any offers from other teams.
Edit: It would make sense, however, if LeBron demanded a trade and the Warriors needed to put together a package to match LBJ’s salary. Otherwise, a big fat no.
leftcoast - Leftcoast - 06-21-2022
In these “let’s keep the band together for one more run” scenarios how do we get enough game minutes to develop Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody, and the other young guns?
This reminds me of the Monta Ellis/Steph Curry debate of a decade ago. A very serviceable Ellis needed to go to make room for Curry’s emergence. When you can’t play them all the strategy switches to addition through subtraction and there’s butter spread on too much bread thin room for sentimentality.
I’m hoping the Warriors make hard choices and let their fans shed a few tears rather than follow a “keep ‘em all” simple approach.
RE: NBA Playoffs - OutsiderFan - 06-21-2022
Does anyone think the Warriors would fret at being a #5 or #6 seed if they have Curry, Thompson, and Green well rested going into the playoffs?
it seems to me they wouldn't, so the likelihood is the Warriors make a concerted effort to develop the young guys - Moody, Kuminga, and Wiseman - over the course of the season, and then lean on the vets in playoffs. But the next playoff run will include a lot more young guy minutes because they developed them over the regular season.
I don't know if the vets would be on minute limits or if they would get more games off or both, but we can count on those three youngsters getting a lot of minutes next season. It all starts in Summer League, which kicks off July 2 at Chase Center and July 7 in Las Vegas.
https://www.nba.com/news/2022-nba-summer-league-schedules-las-vegas-san-francisco-and-salt-lake-city
RE: NBA Playoffs - TrumpCard - 06-21-2022
(06-21-2022, 05:19 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Does anyone think the Warriors would fret at being a #5 or #6 seed if they have Curry, Thompson, and Green well rested going into the playoffs?
it seems to me they wouldn't, so the likelihood is the Warriors make a concerted effort to develop the young guys - Moody, Kuminga, and Wiseman - over the course of the season, and then lean on the vets in playoffs. But the next playoff run will include a lot more young guy minutes because they developed them over the regular season.
I don't know if the vets would be on minute limits or if they would get more games off or both, but we can count on those three youngsters getting a lot of minutes next season. It all starts in Summer League, which kicks off July 2 at Chase Center and July 7 in Las Vegas.
https://www.nba.com/news/2022-nba-summer-league-schedules-las-vegas-san-francisco-and-salt-lake-city
Kuminga will take Porter's minutes. I think everyone agrees that Porter will be gone.
I sort of agree with you about Payton crowding out Moody. More generally, I'm in your corner when it comes to the argument that GSW can't keep everyone.
Here's the one exception. Wiseman, if healthy, will split time with Looney, if he stays. Does anyone think Wiseman will play more than half the game or that there isn't room for Wiseman and Looney on the same team? This isn't a Curry/Ellis situation where both guys needed the ball in their hands 2/3 of the game. The team might let Looney walk for financial reasons, but, IMHO, not because he's standing in Wiseman's way.
RE: NBA Playoffs - French Rage - 06-21-2022
(06-20-2022, 10:59 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Tim Kawakami wrote a column saying the only players the Warriors might not bring back are Porter Jr., Bjelica, and Iguodala who would seem to be a lock for not coming back as he's likely to retire from the NBA.
Iguodala, umm, may need to come back and earn more money: https://twitter.com/betonline_ag/status/1539304525470777346
RE: NBA Playoffs - Mick - 06-21-2022
(06-21-2022, 09:16 PM)French Rage Wrote:(06-20-2022, 10:59 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Tim Kawakami wrote a column saying the only players the Warriors might not bring back are Porter Jr., Bjelica, and Iguodala who would seem to be a lock for not coming back as he's likely to retire from the NBA.
Iguodala, umm, may need to come back and earn more money: https://twitter.com/betonline_ag/status/1539304525470777346
Supposedly he's worth $80 million. He's been paid over $184 million in his NBA career. My guess is that salted a few bucks aside aside from his crypto losses.
RE: NBA Playoffs - BostonCard - 06-21-2022
Also, many of the crypto “losses” were paper money to begin with; they may well have been paid in crypto to shill for various crypto ventures. Anyone remember the Super Bowl?
BC
RE: NBA Playoffs - Phogge - 06-22-2022
Wiseman will be hurt by Game Eleven and lost for the season.
RE: NBA Playoffs - Mick - 06-22-2022
(06-22-2022, 07:01 AM)Phogge Wrote: Wiseman will be hurt by Game Eleven and lost for the season.
He does seem particularly fragile, doesn't he?
RE: NBA Playoffs - TrumpCard - 06-22-2022
You could have said the same about Joel Embiid a few years ago. Or Greg Oden. In one case, you’d be spot on. Wiseman’s career has yet to unfold.
RE: NBA Playoffs - cardcrimson - 06-22-2022
(06-22-2022, 07:01 AM)Phogge Wrote: Wiseman will be hurt by Game Eleven and lost for the season.Never figured you for an optimist.