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RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - oldalum - 04-27-2019
No apology necessary, it wasn't clear at all. I agree that it seems a stretch to argue a Chinese national who went to high school in Calif. who had the academic record needed to get into Yale didn't understand the admissions process to Ivy League schools, but she submitted a false application and was rescinded. But the prosecutors haven't indicted the parents, so I suspect they don't have enough evidence on them. I don't remember the timeline but they probably didn't have a wiretap on them.
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - M T - 04-28-2019
(04-27-2019, 12:18 PM)Embo Wrote: IMHO, any family that has $1.2 million laying around to give as a "donation" for their daughter's application did not acquire their wealth by being suckers. Give me a break.
Assume for the moment that these foreign parents who did these payments to Singer and donation to the foundation suspected it was for a bribe. How would the FBI/DOJ PROVE that they did? Do you think Singer was dumb enough to spell it out in some written document, or through an interpreter? Give me a break. He probably didn't do that until working with the FBI.
I suspect that Singer was just smart enough to implicate a set of parents that were naive enough to discuss anything related to crimes. He plucked them for the FBI. Any parents that worked only through a lawyer probably are in a position to not be easily charged.
I suspect that such parents heard that Singer was able to get students into schools. They probably simply asked, "How much for your services?" and avoided any knowledge of what Singer did with the money.
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - dabigv13 - 05-01-2019
Stanford seems to be the highest priced school in this mess. 6.5 mil from Chinese national parents. Unclear to me if this is a new student not previously named. I thought they had only rescinded an admission. The original indictment didn't include these folks, so my initial thought that Stanford hadn't matriculated any of the scammers was incorrect.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-college-admissions-scandal-stanford-20190501-story.html
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - BostonCard - 05-01-2019
From the article, it is one of the students using the sailing program.
BC
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - terry - 05-01-2019
Stanford's statement last March said that it had identified a current student with phony sailing credentials. Then Stanford announced in early April that it had rescinded the student's admission. It looks like this new article relates to the same student.
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - Hulk01 - 05-01-2019
All the USC coaches and administrators involved in this scandal revives memories of Watergate
Donald Segretti
HR Haldeman
Herbert Kalmbach
Dwight Chapin
Herbert Porter
All USC grads, several of whom first met there.
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - oldalum - 05-01-2019
(05-01-2019, 12:53 PM)Hulk01 Wrote: All the USC coaches and administrators involved in this scandal revives memories of WatergateIt's a proud tradition that has only grown over time.
Donald Segretti
HR Haldeman
Herbert Kalmbach
Dwight Chapin
Herbert Porter
All USC grads, several of whom first met there.
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - 82lsju - 05-01-2019
Quote:Bruce Isackson, 62, president of a real estate development firm, and his wife, Davina Isackson, 55, each quietly pleaded guilty in US District Court in Boston to a count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud.
Bruce Isackson also pleaded guilty to money laundering conspiracy and one count of conspiracy to defraud the IRS, officials said.
...
Assistant US Attorney Leslie Wright said the government believes sentencing guidelines call for a prison term of 37 to 46 months for Bruce Isackson and 27 to 33 months for Davina Isackson. Prosecutors will seek incarceration at the low end of the guidelines under terms of a plea deal, and the Isacksons have agreed to cooperate with the government, records show.
https://www2.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/05/01/california-couple-plead-guilty-paying-college-admissions-scam/cRlsLxnIFisduinqWzqyqI/story.html
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - UltimateCard - 05-01-2019
(05-01-2019, 12:17 PM)terry Wrote: Stanford's statement last March said that it had identified a current student with phony sailing credentials. Then Stanford announced in early April that it had rescinded the student's admission. It looks like this new article relates to the same student.
Lots of details in this Daily story:
https://www.stanforddaily.com/2019/05/01/expelled-students-family-paid-6-5-million-in-scandal-to-secure-her-admission-to-stanford/
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - 82lsju - 05-02-2019
Quote:The mother of a former Stanford student acknowledged Thursday that she paid $6.5 million to the man at the heart of the college admissions scandal, but said she was tricked into believing the seven-figure sum would go toward scholarships, university salaries and programs for needy students.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-parents-college-admissions-scandal-parents-stanford-20190502-story.html
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - Griffins78 - 05-02-2019
(05-02-2019, 02:59 PM)82lsju Wrote:Singer is such a scum bag. So he lied to the parents so they would give him $6.5 million - thinking it was for scholarships for needy students and he put only a "token" $500K on the books and didn't even get the Sailing Program to help their daughter into Stanford. Pocketed what looks like $6MQuote:The mother of a former Stanford student acknowledged Thursday that she paid $6.5 million to the man at the heart of the college admissions scandal, but said she was tricked into believing the seven-figure sum would go toward scholarships, university salaries and programs for needy students.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-parents-college-admissions-scandal-parents-stanford-20190502-story.html
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - martyup - 05-03-2019
The fact that the $6.5 million was paid after the daughter was admitted will work in the mother's favor. This is chump change for billionaires. China has more billionaires than any other country.
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - 82lsju - 05-03-2019
(05-03-2019, 06:52 PM)martyup Wrote: The fact that the $6.5 million was paid after the daughter was admitted will work in the mother's favor. This is chump change for billionaires. China has more billionaires than any other country.
The Zhao family hasn't been charged with anything....yet......I'd guess they think they will be and are trying to get their version of the story out first........
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - Viking_Guy - 05-03-2019
The problem for me is that now the story is being sold as $6.5 million will get you into Stanford, and because it's the highest dollar figure that's been mentioned, LSJU is getting splashed the hardest with the grime. When this doesn't change the storyline as far as Stanford is concerned at all, to me - it's still the same $500K to the sailing team that was reported weeks back.
OTOH, I think Mr. Zhao's or his daughter's status as a "developmental prospect" in an entirely non-sports way might have had something to do with the decision as well.
VG
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - stupac2 - 05-06-2019
(05-03-2019, 11:08 PM)Viking_Guy Wrote: OTOH, I think Mr. Zhao's or his daughter's status as a "developmental prospect" in an entirely non-sports way might have had something to do with the decision as well.
I mean, that this happens is hardly a secret, right? There are plenty of figures in the news whose admittance to exclusive schools is known to have involved some large donations. I don't think there's any secret that millionaires can "give" and get their kids into a separate lane. This happens pretty much everywhere.
It would be nice if this story made more schools realize that this is basically graft and it should be ended, but it seems unlikely. Really the amount of changes you'd need to make to higher education to get it even close to fair are innumerable. And it's funny, because the people I know who are doing the "best" (as in make the most money) went to places like UCLA and William & Mary. It's all kind of silly.
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - 82lsju - 05-06-2019
the Stanford Magazine is not usually this current on Stanford events....
Quote:It’s the sort of scenario that begets higher-education nightmares: A rogue athletic coach conspires to defraud a university by sneaking in unworthy applicants in exchange for large payoffs, resulting in scandal, condemnation and a stain on the school’s reputation.
https://stanfordmag.org/contents/admissions-scheme
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - oldalum - 05-06-2019
Kevin Cool does a great job with that magazine.
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - 82lsju - 05-07-2019
also from this issue of the Stanford Magazine
Quote:Marc Tessier-Lavigne
This spring, Stanford was affected by a nationwide admissions fraud scheme. At Stanford, the episode focused on the head sailing coach, who accepted financial contributions to the sailing program in exchange for agreeing to provide athletic recommendations for two prospective students, neither of whom ended up completing their application. The coach’s employment has been terminated. We also rescinded the admission of a separate, enrolled student who had made false statements in their application.
https://stanfordmag.org/contents/focusing-on-what-matters
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - Bruce Wang - 05-09-2019
From that same issue of Stanford magazine, I learned that Lisa Joy, a Stanford alum, writes, directs and executive produces my favorite current TV show: Westworld. (My favorite current show was GoT, but the current season has knocked the show off the perch).
https://stanfordmag.org/contents/westworld-wrangler-Lisa-Joy
RE: Alleged large-scale test-cheating ring to get athletes into Stanford, other schools - 82lsju - 06-05-2019
Quote:Federal investigators are examining former Southern California athletics director Pat Haden's potential role in the college-admissions scandal that has rocked several national universities, including USC, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2019/06/05/southern-cals-pat-haden-investigated-college-admissions-scandal/1359946001/