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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 06-28-2025

(06-28-2025, 03:42 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants lose their fourth 1-0 game of the season. Wisely gets picked off third base (got picked off first base last game).

Bring Ecker back.

The fact he is not currently employed by any major league club tells me a lot. I would not bring him back.

From what I have read, the transition from playing the majority of games indoors to outdoors has impacted Adames far more than he expected. An interesting observation…..

Also, Chapman was added to the team in 2024 and I’m not sure who you are referring to when you cited “Reaves”. If you meant Devers, his last ten games with Boston: 7 for 37 (.189). His first ten games with SF: 10 for 39 (.256). I don’t think these numbers are indicative of a Giants hitting coach problem.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - old spanish trail - 06-28-2025

(06-28-2025, 05:16 PM)Giants Wrote:
(06-28-2025, 03:42 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants lose their fourth 1-0 game of the season. Wisely gets picked off third base (got picked off first base last game).

Bring Ecker back.

The fact he is not currently employed by any major league club tells me a lot. I would not bring him back.

From what I have read, the transition from playing the majority of games indoors to outdoors has impacted Adames far more than he expected. An interesting observation…..

Also, Chapman was added to the team in 2024 and I’m not sure who you are referring to when you cited “Reaves”. If you meant Devers, his last ten games with Boston: 7 for 37 (.189). His first ten games with SF: 10 for 39 (.256). I don’t think these numbers are indicative of a Giants hitting coach problem.

It should get better, but right now Devers is as boring as the rest of them.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 06-28-2025

(06-28-2025, 05:16 PM)Giants Wrote:
(06-28-2025, 03:42 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants lose their fourth 1-0 game of the season. Wisely gets picked off third base (got picked off first base last game).

Bring Ecker back.

The fact he is not currently employed by any major league club tells me a lot. I would not bring him back.

From what I have read, the transition from playing the majority of games indoors to outdoors has impacted Adames far more than he expected. An interesting observation…..

Also, Chapman was added to the team in 2024 and I’m not sure who you are referring to when you cited “Reaves”. If you meant Devers, his last ten games with Boston: 7 for 37 (.189). His first ten games with SF: 10 for 39 (.256). I don’t think these numbers are indicative of a Giants hitting coach problem.

Not worried at all about Adames. Historically, he has been a second half guy, much better in the second half than the first.

Here's the OPS numbers for four players after 81 games in 2024 vs. 2025.

Wisely .743 vs. .357
Bailey .786 vs. .524
Lee .641 vs. .730
Ramos .887 vs. .839

Lee's is better, but he's actually slumping.

Echols teams crushed it in 2020, 2021, improving by almost a run per game. SF slumped in 2022 when he left, but Texas improved by 1/2 run per game when Ecker got there, and almost another full run per game in 2023. In 2024, they went backward.

So to sum up. Four great years, one backward year. Coincidence?

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 06-28-2025

Mick dateline='[url=tel:1751159337' Wrote: 1751159337[/url]']

Giants dateline='[url=tel:1751156213' Wrote: 1751156213[/url]']

Mick dateline='[url=tel:1751150558' Wrote: 1751150558[/url]']
Giants lose their fourth 1-0 game of the season. Wisely gets picked off third base (got picked off first base last game).

Bring Ecker back.

The fact he is not currently employed by any major league club tells me a lot. I would not bring him back.

From what I have read, the transition from playing the majority of games indoors to outdoors has impacted Adames far more than he expected. An interesting observation…..

Also, Chapman was added to the team in 2024 and I’m not sure who you are referring to when you cited “Reaves”. If you meant Devers, his last ten games with Boston: 7 for 37 (.189). His first ten games with SF: 10 for 39 (.256). I don’t think these numbers are indicative of a Giants hitting coach problem.
Giants dateline='[url=tel:1751156213' Wrote: 1751156213[/url]']

Mick dateline='[url=tel:1751150558' Wrote: 1751150558[/url]']
Giants lose their fourth 1-0 game of the season. Wisely gets picked off third base (got picked off first base last game).

Bring Ecker back.

The fact he is not currently employed by any major league club tells me a lot. I would not bring him back.

From what I have read, the transition from playing the majority of games indoors to outdoors has impacted Adames far more than he expected. An interesting observation…..

Also, Chapman was added to the team in 2024 and I’m not sure who you are referring to when you cited “Reaves”. If you meant Devers, his last ten games with Boston: 7 for 37 (.189). His first ten games with SF: 10 for 39 (.256). I don’t think these numbers are indicative of a Giants hitting coach problem.

Not worried at all about Adames. Historically, he has been a second half guy, much better in the second half than the first.

Here's the OPS numbers for four players after 81 games in 2024 vs. 2025.

Wisely .743 vs. .357
Bailey .786 vs. .524
Lee .641 vs. .730
Ramos .887 vs. .839

Lee's is better, but he's actually slumping.

Echols teams crushed it in 2020, 2021, improving by almost a run per game. SF slumped in 2022 when he left, but Texas improved by 1/2 run per game when Ecker got there, and almost another full run per game in 2023. In 2024, they went backward.

So to sum up. Four great years, one backward year. Coincidence?

If he was so good, why isn’t he working at the major league level? He appears to be guy who wears out his welcome fairly quickly. No thanks…..

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 06-30-2025

Fun Fact: Giants are 4-9 since the Devers trade was announced.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - old spanish trail - 07-01-2025

Ooofta, looks like the Gyros brought up the wrong Carson

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 07-02-2025

[quote="Mick" pid='434288' dateline='1751310925']
Fun Fact: Giants are 4-9 4-10 since the Devers trade was announced.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - qwerty49 - 07-03-2025

(07-02-2025, 06:16 AM)Mick Wrote: [quote="Mick" pid='434288' dateline='1751310925']

Fun Fact: Giants are 4-9 4-10 since the Devers trade was announced.

I guess the June Swoon came a bit late this year.

I was wondering which June Swoons were the most disastrous but then I realized they all were, LOL. But still, going from basically tied for the division lead to 6 or 7 back in 2 weeks is, alas, classic.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 07-05-2025

(07-03-2025, 02:02 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:
(07-02-2025, 06:16 AM)Mick Wrote: [quote="Mick" pid='434288' dateline='1751310925']

Fun Fact: Giants are 4-9 4-10 since the Devers trade was announced.

I guess the June Swoon came a bit late this year.

I was wondering which June Swoons were the most disastrous but then I realized they all were, LOL. But still, going from basically tied for the division lead to 6 or 7 back in 2 weeks is, alas, classic.

Disaster against the A's yesterday. Hopefully Chapman's return and Verlander's elimination will help, though (to continue another thread), I have zero confidence in Mason Black and giving up two home runs in four innings didn't help much.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - old spanish trail - 07-05-2025

(07-05-2025, 08:32 AM)Mick Wrote:
(07-03-2025, 02:02 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:
(07-02-2025, 06:16 AM)Mick Wrote: [quote="Mick" pid='434288' dateline='1751310925']

Fun Fact: Giants are 4-9 4-10 since the Devers trade was announced.

I guess the June Swoon came a bit late this year.

I was wondering which June Swoons were the most disastrous but then I realized they all were, LOL. But still, going from basically tied for the division lead to 6 or 7 back in 2 weeks is, alas, classic.

Disaster against the A's yesterday. Hopefully Chapman's return and Verlander's elimination will help, though (to continue another thread), I have zero confidence in Mason Black and giving up two home runs in four innings didn't help much.

This was Black's third call up, I think, and it looks same as it ever was, to quote David Byrne.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 07-06-2025

Dr. Jekyll day, one day after Mr. Hyde day. 7-2 win, 10 hits, no errors, Cy Young candidate Logan Webb won his eighth, now 8-6 with a 2.62 ERA. Webb gave up four doubles, seven hits, three walks in 6 2/3rds innings.

Adames was 3 for 5 with 4 RBI yesterday and is on his typical 2nd half tear. Here's his splits:

Last 7 days, .400/.483/.600/1.083
Last 14 days, .356/.423/.533/.956
Last 28 days, .318/.390/.529/.919

First day back for Chapman, 1 for 3 with a walk and two runs. Wisely, 2/4 with two RBIs. And Rodriguez, Rogers and Bivens shut down the A's thereafter.

Giants now 48-42, eight games back of the Dodgers and tied with Padres and Cardinals for third wild card spot. Padres .001 ahead.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 07-06-2025

NL All Star Rosters named. Giants pitchers Logan Webb, Robbie Ray and Randy Rodriguez all named. No position players...and none deserved it.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - BobK - 07-06-2025

I disagree about Ramos not deserving. Maybe others beat him out but deserving

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 07-06-2025

(07-06-2025, 03:57 PM)BobK Wrote: I disagree about Ramos not deserving. Maybe others beat him out but deserving

Talk about deserving but not selected….

Juan Soto was a significant snub.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 07-07-2025

Saw two SFG batters get drilled in the first inning by a pitcher who clearly didn't have his control. A third SF batter was hit later in the game, on a breaking pitch. As of right now, there have been a total of 1,351 games played and 1,080 hit batters, about 0.8 batters total hit per game, or 0.4 on one team. So odds of one team's batters getting hit three times in a single game is about one in 140, roughly once a season.

Krukow took the occasion to lament the fact that the first pitcher to hit a batter never gets warned or ejected, but when the other team's pitcher hits a batter -- whether or not it is a retaliation -- both teams get warned, and the pitcher might get ejected. Krukow, to put it mildly, was not a fan of the protocol:

Giants broadcaster blasts umpire's hit-by-pitch protocol

Two other points:

1. Krukow mentions that SFG batters were regularly and repeatedly getting drilled...and that was true in the month of June, Giant batters had the third highest HBPs in MLB. But overall this season, SFG batters have been hit 38 times and the MLB average is 36.

2025 Major League Baseball Team Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com

2. SFG pitchers, on the other hand, befitting one of the best pitching staffs in baseball, have hit only 28 batters, 7th fewest in MLB.

3. I think part of Krukow's concern (unstated) is who has been hit. Maybe the Giants' best batter, Heliot Ramos, the Giants OPS+ leader and All-Star candidate has been hit 11 times, 7th most in MLB. SFG's RBI leader, Wilmer Flores has been hit the second most on the team, five times. Jung Hoo Lee, third most and SFG's other OPS+ leader, Matt Chapman, has been hit fourth most. Casey Schmitt, the third guy tied for the OPS lead has been hit three times in 122 plate appearances. Devers has been here for half a cup of coffee, he's been hit, Dominic Smith has 82 plate appearances, he's been hit twice.

The guys who aren't hitting as well or with power -- Adames, Yaz, Bailey, Koss, Wade, Wisely, Johnson, Encarnacion, Huff, Matos, Knizner, have been hit collectively six times in over 1,600 at bats.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 07-07-2025

The Giants have scored at least six runs in four of the last five games.

They have had only two other stretches like that this season. One was playing Colorado in Denver. The other was right at the beginning of the season, mostly on the road.

Philly tonight for three home games and then three home games vs. the Dodgers, then three road games against Toronto. All three are in first place in their respective divisions.

RE: SF Giants 2025 - BostonCard - 07-07-2025

Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

BC

RE: SF Giants 2025 - PAsportsfan - 07-07-2025

(07-07-2025, 08:09 AM)Mick Wrote: Philly tonight for three home games and then three home games vs. the Dodgers, then three road games against Toronto. All three are in first place in their respective divisions.

Don’t worry about my Phillies beating your Giants. Every year I get excited and buy good seats only watch the Phillies lay a dud. In the last 30 games they have only won six games.

https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/phillies-record-at-san-francisco-last-30-games

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 07-07-2025

(07-07-2025, 08:09 AM)Mick Wrote: The Giants have scored at least six runs in four of the last five games.

They have had only two other stretches like that this season. One was playing Colorado in Denver. The other was right at the beginning of the season, mostly on the road.

Philly tonight for three home games and then three home games vs. the Dodgers, then three road games against Toronto. All three are in first place in their respective divisions.

Considering the opposition over the last 13 games, only scoring 6 four times during that stretch of games is a sad statement regarding the lack of offense. Five runs in three games v. the White Sox?? Yikes!

RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 07-07-2025

(07-07-2025, 09:44 AM)Giants Wrote:
(07-07-2025, 08:09 AM)Mick Wrote: The Giants have scored at least six runs in four of the last five games.

They have had only two other stretches like that this season. One was playing Colorado in Denver. The other was right at the beginning of the season, mostly on the road.

Philly tonight for three home games and then three home games vs. the Dodgers, then three road games against Toronto. All three are in first place in their respective divisions.

Considering the opposition over the last 13 games, only scoring 6 four times during that stretch of games is a sad statement regarding the lack of offense. Five runs in three games v. the White Sox?? Yikes!

Agreed on the A's and Diamondbacks, they're terrible, 2nd and 4th worst at giving up runs. We should have destroyed them. On the other hand, the White Sox gives up 4.39 runs per game, essentially the league average (4.37). Not quite as bad.

BTW, as for defense, SFG team RTot is just below average at -5 Rtot for the season.

First half of the season, SFG has averaged 35,300 fans per game. I'm guessing six straight games vs. the Dodgers and Phillies will increase that total.