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Re: The Mac Meter - Hank 91 - 10-22-2015

In one of our early games against N.otre Dame, probably 1989 or 1991, they had Rocket Ismail returning kicks. Denny Green went with the pooch kick all game, giving the Irish great field position after each kick, and I complained loudly to everyone in my section about how ridiculous it was. Finally, towards the end of what had become a close game, we kicked it to the Rocket. I don't think he brought it all the way back for a touchdown, but it was somewhere inside the ten, if I remember correctly. I had nothing much to say about that strategy for the rest of the game.

Re: The Mac Meter - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 10-22-2015

I think the potency of the Stanford offense (assuming it continues) should make teams think twice about adopting a pooch kick strategy wholesale.  Then again if McCaffrey is routinely returning kicks for 96 yards, it's moot ;)

Re: The Mac Meter - French Rage - 10-22-2015

(10-22-2015, 02:07 PM)ThePassionOfTheChryst link Wrote:I think the potency of the Stanford offense (assuming it continues) should make teams think twice about adopting a pooch kick strategy wholesale.  Then again if McCaffrey is routinely returning kicks for 96 yards, it's moot ;)

C-Mac will take it most of the way on way or another.  We will let them pick their poison.  :D

Re: The Mac Meter - terry - 10-22-2015

McCaffrey's 1,518 all-purpose yards so far this season already rank as the 15th most all-purpose yards in a season for a Stanford player. And he has played just 6 games.

The top five all-purpose seasons in Stanford history are:

2,234  Glyn Milburn, 1992
2,222  Glyn Milburn, 1990
2,208  Ty Montgomery, 2013
2,028  Toby Gerhart, 2009
1,998  Darrin Nelson, 1981

(10-20-2015, 11:40 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:Through 6 Games:

Rushing: 844 yards
Receiving: 172 yards
Punt Ret: 22 yards
Kick Ret: 480 yards
Total: 1,518 yards
Average: 253.0 ypg


Re: The Mac Meter - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 10-22-2015

(10-22-2015, 02:20 PM)French Rage link Wrote:C-Mac will take it most of the way on way or another.  We will let them pick their poison.  :D

I like how you think!

Re: The Mac Meter - Hank 91 - 10-22-2015

(10-22-2015, 02:21 PM)terry link Wrote:McCaffrey's 1,518 all-purpose yards so far this season already rank as the 15th most all-purpose yards in a season for a Stanford player. And he has played just 6 games.

The top five all-purpose seasons in Stanford history are:

2,234  Glyn Milburn, 1992
2,222  Glyn Milburn, 1990
2,208  Ty Montgomery, 2013
2,028  Toby Gerhart, 2009
1,998  Darrin Nelson, 1981

[quote author=Hank 91 link=topic=13278.msg135993#msg135993 date=1445409631]
Through 6 Games:

Rushing: 844 yards
Receiving: 172 yards
Punt Ret: 22 yards
Kick Ret: 480 yards
Total: 1,518 yards
Average: 253.0 ypg
[/quote]

I'd guess his rushing total is close to the top 15 also, isn't it? After this week, it certainly should be.

Re: The Mac Meter - CornFed - 10-23-2015

(10-22-2015, 11:41 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:[quote author=terry link=topic=13278.msg136277#msg136277 date=1445548915]
McCaffrey's 1,518 all-purpose yards so far this season already rank as the 15th most all-purpose yards in a season for a Stanford player. And he has played just 6 games.

The top five all-purpose seasons in Stanford history are:

2,234  Glyn Milburn, 1992
2,222  Glyn Milburn, 1990
2,208  Ty Montgomery, 2013
2,028  Toby Gerhart, 2009
1,998  Darrin Nelson, 1981

[quote author=Hank 91 link=topic=13278.msg135993#msg135993 date=1445409631]
Through 6 Games:

Rushing: 844 yards
Receiving: 172 yards
Punt Ret: 22 yards
Kick Ret: 480 yards
Total: 1,518 yards
Average: 253.0 ypg
[/quote]

I'd guess his rushing total is close to the top 15 also, isn't it? After this week, it certainly should be.
[/quote]

Careful, Hank.  That kind of tiptoes up to the threshold of the woofing gods' front door.

Re: The Mac Meter - terry - 10-23-2015

(10-22-2015, 11:41 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:I'd guess his rushing total is close to the top 15 also, isn't it? After this week, it certainly should be.

McCaffrey's 844 rushing yards rank 19th on Stanford's single-season rushing list.

At his current pace, assuming he plays 13 games, McCaffrey would fall 42 yards short of Toby Gerhart's school rushing record of 1,871 yards.

Re: The Mac Meter - VFRing98 - 10-23-2015

(10-22-2015, 08:34 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:
Quote:One thing I don't really understand about the aversion to kicking it OOB is that the 35 isn't that great of a starting position. That's about where they get it after a squib, and the average should be comparable to what a good returner can do, but with much lower variance. Is it that bad of an idea?

I think there are two things that come into play. From my vantage point in the stands of BG (was that '97?), I felt like it could hurt the team's psyche to essentially concede that the other team is better on special teams. You're telling your players that they can't win that battle, and I can see how that could impact a team's mentality. But if you get them to buy into the math, perhaps they get over it. But 15 yards (when comapred to starting on the 20 which I think is in the minds of most football players based on the touchback) is decent field position. Assuming you kick off ~5 times agaime, you're giving up 75 yards on the game. THat's going to turn into real points.

Of course, if you're going against a great returner, there's a chance you give up even more in field position and mental edge when they break a return to your 40 or 30 yard line (or down to the 5 yard line as C Mac did last week).

There was some statistical analysis done recently on the effect of starting field position on actual points scored.The reason for the study was to determine whether going for it on 4th down made sense. If I recall correctly, the conclusion was go for it, because the starting field position doesn't make a significant impact on points scored, except at the extremes. So according to this, starting at the 25 or 35 shouldn't matter and you should kick out of bounds.

Of course, this comment would be bolstered if I could find the reference...

Re: The Mac Meter - Hank 91 - 10-25-2015

Here it is, updated through the Washington game. First, though, a few notes on what's shaping to be an historic season:
Through 7 Games:
Rushing: 953 yards (136.1/game; 6.2 ypc)
Receiving: 284 yards
Punt Ret: 22 yards
Kick Ret: 559 yards
Total: 1,818 yards
Average: 259.7 ypg

Stanford Record -- 2,234 yards (Glyn Milburn)
*Needs to Average: 69.5 ypg

Pac-12 Record -- 2,683 yards (Marqise Lee)
*Needs to Average: 144.3 ypg

NCAA Record -- 3,250 yards (Barry Sanders)
*Needs to Average: 238.8 ypg
* Assuming Stanford plays only 6 more games.

Re: The Mac Meter - Hank 91 - 11-01-2015

Updated through Washington State:

Christian McCaffrey's All-Purpose Yardage
Through 8 Games:

Rushing: 1,060 yards
Receiving: 310 yards
Punt Ret: 25 yards
Kick Ret: 559 yards
Total: 1,954 yards
Average: 244.25 ypg

Stanford Record -- 2,234 yards (Glyn Milburn)
*Needs to Average: 56.2 ypg

Pac-12 Record -- 2,683 yards (Marqise Lee)
*Needs to Average: 146.0 ypg

NCAA Record -- 3,250 yards (Barry Sanders)
*Needs to Average: 259.4 ypg

* Assuming Stanford plays only 5 more games.

Re: The Mac Meter - martyup - 11-01-2015

(11-01-2015, 11:35 AM)garvin link Wrote:
Quote:At a certain point people will simply stop kicking to him, which will cost him 50-100 yards per game.

From your lips to Mike Leach's ears.

Yeah, that was pretty much chicken s.hit.  Leach gave us the ball on the 40 every kick-off just to keep it out of CMAC's hands.  The worst thing about it was our inability to make him pay for it.

Re: The Mac Meter - Rally - 11-01-2015

(11-01-2015, 11:59 AM)garvin link Wrote:I wouldn't call it chickenbleep, any more than running away from a talented defensive lineman or double-teaming a good receiver. Whether it was smart is another question.

Does the receiving team have the option to force a rekick when the ball goes out of bounds? If not, it would seem smarter to kick it out of bounds than to do pooch kicks. We consistently started beyond our 35.

Speaking of out of bounds, does it seem like we kick off out of bounds a lot?  Maybe it's just me but it seems so, and not just last night when the wind could have affects it.

Re: The Mac Meter - BostonCard - 11-01-2015

(11-01-2015, 01:00 PM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=garvin link=topic=13278.msg138741#msg138741 date=1446404389]
I wouldn't call it chickenbleep, any more than running away from a talented defensive lineman or double-teaming a good receiver. Whether it was smart is another question.

Does the receiving team have the option to force a rekick when the ball goes out of bounds? If not, it would seem smarter to kick it out of bounds than to do pooch kicks. We consistently started beyond our 35.

Speaking of out of bounds, does it seem like we kick off out of bounds a lot?  Maybe it's just me but it seems so, and not just last night when the wind could have affects it.
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We kicked it out of bounds twice.  I noticed on our last kickoff, Ukropina kicked it off.  He was in bounds, if short.

BC

Re: The Mac Meter - BostonCard - 11-01-2015

One thing not on your Mac meter is consecutive 100 yard rushing games.  McCaffrey is up to 6 consecutive games; only Toby has accomplished that in a Stanford uniform.

https://twitter.com/stanfordfball/status/660891542782001152

BC

Re: The Mac Meter - thunder_chik - 11-01-2015

(11-01-2015, 06:35 AM)Hank 91 link Wrote:Updated through Washington State:

Christian McCaffrey's All-Purpose Yardage
Through 8 Games:

Rushing: 1,060 yards
Receiving: 310 yards
Punt Ret: 25 yards
Kick Ret: 559 yards
Total: 1,954 yards
Average: 244.25 ypg

Stanford Record -- 2,234 yards (Glyn Milburn)
*Needs to Average: 56.2 ypg

Pac-12 Record -- 2,683 yards (Marqise Lee)
*Needs to Average: 146.0 ypg

NCAA Record -- 3,250 yards (Barry Sanders)
*Needs to Average: 259.4 ypg

* Assuming Stanford plays only 5 more games.

I would say new Stanford record probable, new Pac-12 record possible, NCAA record DIFFICULT.

Re: The Mac Meter - Hank 91 - 11-07-2015

Updated through Colorado:

Christian McCaffrey's All-Purpose Yardage
Through 9 Games:

Rushing: 1,207 yards
Receiving: 325 yards
Punt Ret: 37 yards
Kick Ret: 605 yards
Total: 2,174 yards
Average: 241.55 ypg

Stanford Record -- 2,234 yards (Glyn Milburn)
Yards to Record: 61

Pac-12 Record -- 2,683 yards (Marqise Lee)
*Needs to Average: 127.5 ypg

NCAA Record -- 3,250 yards (Barry Sanders)
*Needs to Average: 269.25 ypg

* Assuming Stanford plays only 4 more games.

Also, McCaffrey now has seven straight 100-yard games, tying Toby Gerhart's school record.

Re: The Mac Meter - JJJ - 11-07-2015

(11-07-2015, 05:51 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:Updated through Colorado:

Christian McCaffrey's All-Purpose Yardage
Through 9 Games:

Rushing: 1,207 yards
Receiving: 325 yards
Punt Ret: 37 yards
Kick Ret: 605 yards
Total: 2,174 yards
Average: 241.55 ypg

Stanford Record -- 2,234 yards (Glyn Milburn)
Yards to Record: 61

Pac-12 Record -- 2,683 yards (Marqise Lee)
*Needs to Average: 127.5 ypg

NCAA Record -- 3,250 yards (Barry Sanders)
*Needs to Average: 269.25 ypg

* Assuming Stanford plays only 4 more games.

Also, McCaffrey now has seven straight 100-yard games, tying Toby Gerhart's school record.

Love it. Thanks for keeping score for us!  8)

Re: The Mac Meter - Hank 91 - 11-07-2015

I should note that if Stanford clinches a spot in the P12 Championship game, that would give McCaffrey at least one extra game. In this case he'd only need to average 215.4 ypg to top Sanders.

Re: The Mac Meter - JJJ - 11-07-2015

(11-07-2015, 07:10 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:I should note that if Stanford clinches a spot in the P12 Championship game, that would give McCaffrey at least one extra game. In this case he'd only need to average 215.4 ypg to top Sanders.

We are already bowl-eligible, but that doesn't count for Sanders' record, right?