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Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - winflop - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 05:59 PM)CornFed link Wrote:[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=14620.msg156845#msg156845 date=1455922091]
Funny that no reporters speak for Stanford re: Robertson and he is still given no chance to end up at Stanford on the latest 247 story, even though everyone now acknowledges the only reason he has not signed is because Stanford is where he wants to go.Â
If he were to be admitted to Stanford, what would the reaction here be if he signed elsewhere? That would make this the most curious recruitment in the history of recruitment.
What might be more interesting perhaps would be knowing if there are any on this Board who would have second thoughts about him being accepted right now, if that were possible, despite not attaining the requisite SAT score.
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I'll take dedication & determination to pursue a dream over slightly better academics any day of the week and twice on Sunday. This is the kind of person I'd hire in a heartbeat.
LET THIS KID IN ALREADY.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - TreesAndBirds - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 06:13 PM)winflop link Wrote:[quote author=CornFed link=topic=14620.msg156849#msg156849 date=1455929982]
[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=14620.msg156845#msg156845 date=1455922091]
Funny that no reporters speak for Stanford re: Robertson and he is still given no chance to end up at Stanford on the latest 247 story, even though everyone now acknowledges the only reason he has not signed is because Stanford is where he wants to go.Â
If he were to be admitted to Stanford, what would the reaction here be if he signed elsewhere? That would make this the most curious recruitment in the history of recruitment.
What might be more interesting perhaps would be knowing if there are any on this Board who would have second thoughts about him being accepted right now, if that were possible, despite not attaining the requisite SAT score.
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I'll take dedication & determination to pursue a dream over slightly better academics any day of the week and twice on Sunday. This is the kind of person I'd hire in a heartbeat.
LET THIS KID IN ALREADY.
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The important phrase there is "slightly better academics". If that is the case then I agree. But admissions needs to decide whether this is a young man who can succeed in Stanford's academic environment. Given the little I know of him, he seems like the type of person who doesnt quit until he succeeds, and I hope they take that into account, but ultimately admissions has the info, and if they decide that he is not a good fit for Stanford I am ok with it, but I hope they admit him and that he accepts.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - rudruff - 02-19-2016
This is an admissions call, and I would be more concerned about standards than deadlines.
If he makes the scores and finishes the application such that admissions will take him fine.
There are going to be wait-list people getting admitted probably through the summer.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - Griffins78 - 02-19-2016
I also hope that Demetrius gets accepted - what a great story of pursuing ones dreams and shooting for the highest standard. And I love that he is making the effort to improve his test scores and willing to hold off on his decision in order to do so. I would like him to complete his application in the mean time and not wait until he gets the targeted score. That will show me a lot and hopefully Admissions too.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - socalstanfan1 - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 11:25 AM)GoodGrief link Wrote:Man, good for that kid. I'm rooting for him so hard for all his effort. I might even have to root for him even if he doesn't end up at Stanford, which could be very painful if he's wearing certain wrong colors...
I will definitely root for him, even if he does not end up at Stanford. Except, of course, when/if he plays AGAINST Stanford
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - amartinsu13 - 02-20-2016
https://uga.n.rivals.com/news/carlos-robertson-explains-why-his-brother-is-a-meticulous-fella-
A lot of new information in this article. It says that official visit or not, Demetris and his brother are going to visit Stanford. Also that he is "very very close" to having the score for Stanford, so he is taking the March 5 SAT.
Also that he is very serious about wanting to join the track team at whatever college he goes to.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 02-20-2016
If Demetris isn't able to go to Stanford after all this, I wonder what kind of message that may send to future Stanford-hopeful top recruits who are good -- but not necessarily exceptional -- students. I hope it's not "don't bother."
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - 81alum - 02-20-2016
(02-20-2016, 12:34 AM)amartinsu13 link Wrote:https://uga.n.rivals.com/news/carlos-robertson-explains-why-his-brother-is-a-meticulous-fella-I see these quotes and shake my head. Does some admissions officer really tell these kids, "you are almost in, you just need to up your SAT score a few points?" Really? Horrifying if true, on many levels. And if not true, where do all these tales about retaking exams at the last minute come from?
A lot of new information in this article. It says that official visit or not, Demetris and his brother are going to visit Stanford. Also that he is "very very close" to having the score for Stanford, so he is taking the March 5 SAT.
Also that he is very serious about wanting to join the track team at whatever college he goes to.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - OutsiderFan - 02-20-2016
I can understand having a "low" floor score for standardized tests, but setting a high bar for a test score, as a proxy for one's ability to handle college academics, is folly. This is especially the case in one like Robertson's, where the student is an elite athlete playing three sports, all with their own time demands, making it impossible for him to study for tests like other kids who don't have similar other demands on their time. Yet still, despite those demands, Robertson's taken the two AP classes and challenged himself as much as any high school athlete I've ever heard about, in the class room, in the athletic arena, and with a Stanford application. Heck, that latest article says he's now going to be running track.
It sure would be insightful to know how much time Demetris Robertson has put into studying and athletic practice/competition versus other guys who were admitted for 2016. My guess is he'd have already been admitted if he didn't challenge himself so much as an athlete.
If someone challenges himself athletically and intellectually as much as Robertson does, and shows as much determination as he does, he's going to succeed at whatever it is he pursues in life. If Stanford can't see this, some deeper questions probably should be asked about who is Stanford material and who isn't.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - BobK - 02-20-2016
Wow, that's quite a thought. He's too busy with sports to study. Interesting thought. Like that 4 minute miler not accepted wasn't really training. UGH.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - winflop - 02-20-2016
(02-20-2016, 07:14 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I can understand having a "low" floor score for standardized tests, but setting a high bar for a test score, as a proxy for one's ability to handle college academics, is folly.
If someone challenges himself athletically and intellectually as much as Robertson does, and shows as much determination as he does, he's going to succeed at whatever it is he pursues in life. If Stanford can't see this, some deeper questions probably should be asked about who is Stanford material and who isn't.
He might not be as book smart as his classmates, but if he finds himself falling behind I have no doubt he will be determined to do better and get help.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - stupac2 - 02-20-2016
(02-20-2016, 07:54 AM)BobK link Wrote:Wow, that's quite a thought. He's too busy with sports to study. Interesting thought. Like that 4 minute miler not accepted wasn't really training. UGH.
I'm not really sure what, exactly, you're trying to say here, but I think that OF's point is mostly valid. The average Stanford applicant can afford (time-wise and cost-wise) to do those crazy, intense SAT prep classes, and Robertson probably can't.
Now, I'm not actually sure that those classes help, but that's neither here nor there for his point.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - JohnR34231 - 02-20-2016
Maybe we should adopt the ND approach.
The ND admissions department pays very little attention to SAT scores. They look at the applicant's transcript and decide, mostly on the courses he has taken and the grades he has achieved, whether he is capable of doing the work and graduating from the university. If the answer is yes, they let him in.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - CornFed - 02-20-2016
(02-20-2016, 09:38 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Maybe we should adopt the ND approach.
The ND admissions department pays very little attention to SAT scores. They look at the applicant's transcript and decide, mostly on the courses he has taken and the grades he has achievedand his time in the 40, whether he is capable of doing the work and graduating from the university. If the answer is yes, they let him in.
Fixed it for ya'
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - terry - 02-20-2016
(02-20-2016, 07:14 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:If someone challenges himself athletically and intellectually as much as Robertson does, and shows as much determination as he does, he's going to succeed at whatever it is he pursues in life. If Stanford can't see this, some deeper questions probably should be asked about who is Stanford material and who isn't.
Many students challenge themselves and have great determination. That doesn't mean they should all be admitted to Stanford.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - CTcard - 02-20-2016
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding of how admissions works at Stanford - for the general population and for football players as well. That's not surprising, given that Stanford is rather secretive about how admissions works in detail, as are most private universities.
(02-20-2016, 01:40 AM)81alum link Wrote:I see these quotes and shake my head. Does some admissions officer really tell these kids, "you are almost in, you just need to up your SAT score a few points?" Really?Â
Almost certainly not. First of all, Stanford adamantly refuses to have any set SAT standard for admission. Secondly, from what I have read it would seem that the football coaches have been telling him that he has to have a 1500 score in order for it to be worthwhile to submit an application. While ultimately that comment could probably be traced back to admissions, almost certainly it wouldn't mean they wouldn't consider a 1490 score or that a 1550 score means an automatic in. It probably does mean a 1350-1400 is a no-go for most everyone, and an 1800+ would be most advantageous towards getting a football player in.
Every year we read all sorts of weird quotations about the Stanford admissions process from recruits. These seem to be primarily the result of the phone-tag game from admissions to football staff to recruit to reporter, with a lot of built in misconceptions as barriers along the way.
(02-20-2016, 07:14 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I can understand having a "low" floor score for standardized tests, but setting a high bar for a test score, as a proxy for one's ability to handle college academics, is folly.
That it is, which is why Stanford doesn't do so.
Quote:This is especially the case in one like Robertson's, where the student is an elite athlete playing three sports, all with their own time demands, making it impossible for him to study for tests like other kids who don't have similar other demands on their time.Â
Essentially anybody who gets into Stanford has extraordinary demands on their time. If they don't, then they aren't doing what Stanford looks for in admits.
Whether Robertson is putting a lot more time into sports than other scholarship athletes that do get accepted into Stanford is something I don't know. However, it is mostly irrelevant. At some point, if he has put little enough time into academics that his academics are inadequate, then Stanford won't accept him. As a concept, I don't think there is any real dispute that is a reasonable approach. The issue is where the line is drawn. The people in the admissions line are hired to draw that line. I am sure they make mistakes from time to time, it seems to me impossible not to. On the other hand, at the moment they seem to have been drawing the line at a place that has allowed Stanford football to be in a BCS/CFP bowl game 5 of the past 6 years and win 3 of the past 4 conference championships - so it seems adequate as far as producing a winning football team.
(02-20-2016, 09:38 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Maybe we should adopt the ND approach.
The ND admissions department pays very little attention to SAT scores. They look at the applicant's transcript and decide, mostly on the courses he has taken and the grades he has achieved, whether he is capable of doing the work and graduating from the university. If the answer is yes, they let him in.
It may be that und puts substantially less emphasis on standardized tests than other private schools, but I cannot find any evidence for that on a quick search. Stanford does not weight standardized tests as highly as many here appear to assume, and for most students it represents something more like a floor to guard against poor HS course loads rather than a strong positive on the high end. This causes great consternation for the candidates who have placed extraordinary time and effort in increasing their 2300 SAT into a 2400 SAT and find it hasn't got them in. As for und, their reported SAT scores for entering students are high enough it either appears that they pay some attention to the scores or the scores actually track HS grades fairly well.
I do think that latter sentence cannot quite be true. Neither Notre Dame nor Stanford (especially) are able to offer admission to any student that has demonstrated they are capable of doing the work, either by HS grades or anything else. There are simply too many applicants for spots. If you mean any football player the coaches want that shows they are capable of surviving, then that is closer to the admissions philosophy in both cases - though with much more rigorous scrutiny and consideration at one of those two places.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - norcard - 02-20-2016
We're debating about a guy that has trouble breaking a 1500 out of 2400 out of multiple tries (essentially very basic math, writing, and vocabulary). Think about that for a second. Let's not inflate our academic standards here.Â
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - SUBuddha - 02-20-2016
(02-20-2016, 05:30 PM)norcard link Wrote:We're debating about a guy that has trouble breaking a 1500 out of 2400 out of multiple tries (essentially very basic math, writing, and vocabulary). Think about that for a second. Let's not inflate our academic standards here.If Stanford does what most do that 1500 is on the 2 part test.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - amartinsu13 - 02-20-2016
Another article on DR, with quotes from him this time: https://uga.n.rivals.com/news/robertson-181
The five-star athlete has long had the Stanford Cardinal atop his list, and he's doing everything in his power to give himself a chance to play there.
Ive talked to Stanford, and they told me they were going to give me another shot at it," Robertson said. "Im going to take the SAT again in March. As of right now, theyre still on top with everyone else behind them.
If the scores come back as Robertson wants, though, it may still not be a done deal, especially with a visit still to come.
Its no guarantee," Robertson said of committing to Stanford. "I just want to get out there and see everything. Ive talked to all their guys, and theyve told me its great out there, so I want to see it for myself. I just want to see how the environment is and how I fit out there. I want to talk to the coaching staff and meet with those guys and the players. Ill be with them most of the time.
And what is the fascination with a school so far away from home? The answer is simple for the Savannah-based star.
In my case, I really look at academics as a big key for myself," Robertson said. "I know I can I make to the NFL. I know Ill get there, but its not going to last long. I want to set myself up the right way and be able to use my money in the right ways.
Re: The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn - OutsiderFan - 02-21-2016
That Rivals story pretty much removes all doubt that Stanford is where Robertson wants to be. He leaves the door open to not committing if admitted, but that's based on not liking the place after a visit he now says he is taking no matter what. Who the hell has ever said "man, that Stanford campus sure is a dump, and the surrounding area, who wants to be there?"
I'm starting to feel like the odds are more likely than not that he ends up at Stanford. I've never heard of an athlete who could go anywhere else, making such a determined effort to get into a specific school - for academic reasons. Aside from Robertson's various array of talents, that in and of itself has to mean a lot to the admissions office. Refusing to take no for an answer is one the the greatest traits of successful people.