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Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - zedcom - 06-04-2016
(06-04-2016, 12:16 AM)Yvonne link Wrote:[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=15084.msg164365#msg164365 date=1465000691]
Because this isn't a soccer forum, I'll spare everyone my thoughts --
This is a sports forum. Soccer is a sport. Therefore.
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+1 ....therfore, please share your thoughts!
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - washingtonismoney - 06-04-2016
What bugs me about the interview is its seeming honesty and candidness. That is, to an uninformed or casual observer, his remarks are interesting, sometimes brutal, but acute. It's a good posture.
On the other hand, to a close observer, Klinsmann is well... either spectacularly deluded, dumb or dishonest. Many of remarks don't fit reality. Specifically:
"What happened to the Bill Hamids...?"
ANSWER: he's one of the best goalkeepers in MLS. He basically singlehandedly keeps DC United respectable.
"Too many of the young players are stagnant," he says, while naming three players: Julian Green (who did indeed waste his time with Bayern Munich), Rubio Rubin and Emerson Hyndman.
It's in the latter two examples that are deceptive. Rubin is only sort of a second team player -- he was injured basically the entire year. Soccer teams, like baseball teams, often send players down to their second team to get their game legs back. Rubin played for the first team after regaining fitness.
Hyndman, on the other hand, played the first half of the year on the second team because the team was trying to pressure him into signing a new contract. Once they acceted that, he started playing and playing well.
Later in the interview he suggests Matt Miazga isn't playing enough. But Miazga did what Klinsmann begged players to do -- go abroad to challenge himself. The plan his new team hit upon was to have him sit and get acclimated. Again, not really an instance of stagnation.
The suggestion Klinsmann is making is that while he would really love to promote younger players but just can't do it. (In fact Klinsmann is infamous for calling up young players late, and then playing them out of position when he does. Hyndman "disappeared" in the Czech Republic game -- because he was stuck out on the wing, not his natural position. It'd be like complaining about Bryce Love's play at left tackle.)
The larger suggestion is that, poor him, the talent isn't there. Poppycock. I'd be making a post even longer, but any US fan with any memory, who saw the days of Robbie Findlay and Jonny Bornstein, knows that this team is far more talented on average than any previous team. There isn't an out and out star like a Landon Donovan but, you know, that's why you're a manager -- to figure out problems like this. That he persists in whining about external factors, and never once, to my knowledge, accepted personal responsibility, makes him more than a grating human being, more than another of a long line of hucksters and flim flam men American culture is sadly predisposed to being deceived by, it makes him an awful manager. I'd fire him yesterday if I could.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - winflop - 06-04-2016
(06-03-2016, 11:28 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=winflop link=topic=15084.msg164374#msg164374 date=1465016258]
I see him as the Johnny Dawkins of men's soccer
I disagree. Johny Dawkins was a classy guy.
BC
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Agree on that front. I was thinking more narrowly in terms of the performance of the team he coaches.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - slide - 06-04-2016
US could have used Morris last night. they did not look good against Colombia.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - BostonCard - 06-16-2016
Well, for what it is worth, the US bounced back from the loss against Colombia and wound up winning its group (tied with Colombia, but had a better goal differential). So, the US will play Ecuador in the quarter finals tonight. Ecuador came out ahead of Brazil (who shockingly did not make it to the knock-out round) for the second slot from Group B.
Too bad Morris isn't within the team.
BC
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - BigEasyCard - 06-16-2016
(06-16-2016, 01:57 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Well, for what it is worth, the US bounced back from the loss against Colombia and wound up winning its group (tied with Colombia, but had a better goal differential). So, the US will play Ecuador in the quarter finals tonight. Ecuador came out ahead of Brazil (who shockingly did not make it to the knock-out round) for the second slot from Group B.
Too bad Morris isn't within the team.
BC
I would love to have seen Morris on the team also, but they have done well so far without him. I'll be watching the game against Ecuador tonight, flipping back and forth to the NBA Finals.
Brazil's exit was due to a Peru hand ball that was not called by the officials. Had the game ended in a tie, Brazil would have advanced to the Quarterfinals instead of Peru. Based on goal differential, they would probably have ended in first place instead of third and would be playing Colombia tomorrow night.
Geaux Cardinal!
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - SeattleTree - 06-16-2016
(06-16-2016, 01:57 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Well, for what it is worth, the US bounced back from the loss against Colombia and wound up winning its group (tied with Colombia, but had a better goal differential). So, the US will play Ecuador in the quarter finals tonight. Ecuador came out ahead of Brazil (who shockingly did not make it to the knock-out round) for the second slot from Group B.
Too bad Morris isn't within the team.
BC
And too bad that Seattle's other home-grown member of the USMNT, Deandre Yedlin, won't be able to play due to his two yellow cards (within about a minute of one another) against Paraguay on Saturday.Â
Looking forward to the game, but not to the traffic!
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - dabigv13 - 06-16-2016
(06-16-2016, 02:11 PM)BigEasyCard link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=15084.msg165142#msg165142 date=1466110657]
Well, for what it is worth, the US bounced back from the loss against Colombia and wound up winning its group (tied with Colombia, but had a better goal differential). So, the US will play Ecuador in the quarter finals tonight. Ecuador came out ahead of Brazil (who shockingly did not make it to the knock-out round) for the second slot from Group B.
Too bad Morris isn't within the team.
BC
I would love to have seen Morris on the team also, but they have done well so far without him. I'll be watching the game against Ecuador tonight, flipping back and forth to the NBA Finals.
Brazil's exit was due to a Peru hand ball that was not called by the officials. Had the game ended in a tie, Brazil would have advanced to the Quarterfinals instead of Peru. Based on goal differential, they would probably have ended in first place instead of third and would be playing Colombia tomorrow night.
Geaux Cardinal!
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Considering Ecuador should have beat Brazil but for an incorrect out of bounds call on a cross that went in the goal, hard to feel bad for them on the Peru issue.
Also when you consider that Colombia really ought to have won the group but basically threw the game to get a better venue, it all seems to have worked out as it should have - Ecuador v USA and Peru v Colombia.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - washingtonismoney - 06-16-2016
The US did bounce back. That's due to three factors:
1) playing at home! it's really beneficial.
2) Klinsmann went from being a bad coach to an average one -- basically he put (most) players in their natural position, and didn't screw around a ton. That really empowered the team, and proves that ... sometimes common sense is better than attempts at genius.
3) getting a bit lucky: according to a slightly fancy stat called "expected goals"*, the U.S. wasn't really better than Costa Rica or Paraguay anyway. Which means they got lucky.
Unfortunately, if the U.S. loses today, it'll likely be due to -- in part -- the aftereffects of Klinsmann turbulence. I expect longtime Klinsmann favorite (and notable incompetent) Michael Orozco to start at right back today, which is problematic: Orozco is a mediocre centerback, and is even worse when slotted out wide. Why is he playing there? Klinsmann put together a dumb roster.
The other thing I'm worried about is exhaustion from center midfielder Jermaine Jones -- who Klinsmann oddly allowed to play the vast majority of minutes, despite a 4-0 blowout affording him plenty of opportunity to give a partial rest to the athletic-but-aging player. (I have other gripes but I should be working.)
* (expected goals are pretty straightforward. If you've ever watched soccer you might say, 'oh he should've made/missed that chance.' The stat attempts to formally quantify that -- by estimating, based on historical probability, the chance a player would score on a shot from a given location. In theory, if you add those probabilities together you get a good idea of which team is creating better shots, which correlates better than goals at predicting future performance.)
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - fullmetal - 06-16-2016
Fabian Johnson has replaced Yedlin at right back. Orozco will come off the bench. There is hope...
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - winflop - 06-16-2016
I hope the US wins but I am boycotting the team until there's a new head coach.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - BostonCard - 06-16-2016
US up 2-1 in injury time.
BC
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - dabigv13 - 06-16-2016
Fortunate. Ecuador looked the better team, profligate in front of goal though. Thought the offside call on a would be goal was close but flag prob should have stayed down.
US put away their chances though, that's what counts.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - washingtonismoney - 06-16-2016
(06-16-2016, 08:36 PM)dabigv link Wrote:Fortunate. Ecuador looked the better team, profligate in front of goal though. Thought the offside call on a would be goal was close but flag prob should have stayed down.
US put away their chances though, that's what counts.
Only marginally better, really:
https://twitter.com/MC_of_A/status/743649160226873344
The real problem was timing/nature of Klinsmann's subs -- they were all misguided.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - washingtonismoney - 06-16-2016
Of course, all the yellow/red cards ... mean disaster against Argentina. (presuming they're the opponent). Basically 0% chance of winning, in my off-the-cuff opinion. That's partially the ref's fault (the red on Jones), partially sheer stupidity (Wood), and partially Klinsmann's fault (for not preemptively subbing Bedoya).
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - dabigv13 - 06-16-2016
The red was strange. I thought the ref was forced into it because the Ecuadorian player made that stupid little kick which had to be punished with a yellow, but he was being fouled pretty badly by the US on that run. A second yellow meant a red, which would be a pretty unfair turn of events for that sequence.
Or maybe that's just the twisted logic of an Italian soccer fan.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - SeattleTree - 06-17-2016
(06-16-2016, 09:13 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Of course, all the yellow/red cards ... mean disaster against Argentina. (presuming they're the opponent). Basically 0% chance of winning, in my off-the-cuff opinion. That's partially the ref's fault (the red on Jones), partially sheer stupidity (Wood), and partially Klinsmann's fault (for not preemptively subbing Bedoya).
Agree, though I'd chalk Jones' red card up to sheer stupidity as well. He shouldn't have given the ref the opportunity to make that call. Just turn around and walk away. The USMNT were without Yedlin due to sheer stupidity as well. Need to keep your cool.Â
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - BigEasyCard - 06-17-2016
Jordan Morris took on the role of fan yesterday evening:
http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/06/16/jordan-morris-seattle-march-match-usa-ecuador-copa-america
"Seattle Sounders forward Jordan Morris may not have been selected for the USA's Copa America squad, but that doesn't mean he's not trying to play a part in the festivities as the Americans face Ecuador in the quarterfinals."
Geaux Cardinal!
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - fullmetal - 06-17-2016
Could a better coach win the next game with the currently available players? Maybe it'll be yet another interesting chance for Klinsmann to...ah, who am I kidding.
Re: Morris left out of Copa America team - dabigv13 - 06-17-2016
This Argentina team is ridiculous. Hard to imagine when the US will ever have a team as talented.
I think Jurgen is an ok coach, but I can't imagine Mourinho, Conte, or take your pick of current good coaches giving the US an appreciably better chance.