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Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - ChicagoCard - 08-22-2016

Not a former Stanford player but former head coach Jack Christiansen was a native of Sublette, KS.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - terry - 08-22-2016

(08-22-2016, 09:47 AM)Spiny_Norman link Wrote:A question for the long time fans - when did Stanford last have a player from the state of Kansas?Â Nate Lohn and Ben Ladner were from KC, Missouri.Â I cannot recall a single player from Kansas going back at least 20 years.

According to Stanford's media guides for 2006-2010, OT Derek Hall is from Overland Park, Kansas. However, he played high school football at Rockhurst H.S., which is in Missouri, just barely on the other side of the state line.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - DC Cat - 08-22-2016

(08-22-2016, 08:30 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:At the risk of this thread becoming dominated by Stanford fans talking about Stanford, how about DC Cat telling us who KSU's best players are at every level on defense and position group on offense? IOW..

DL, LB, DB, OL, WR/TE, RB, QB

I've come to realize the pre-season magazines usually miss quite a bit, often overlooking some and incorrectly identifying others as key cogs when they really aren't.

DL: Will Geary (Jr. DT 6'0" 297 lbs)Â - A former walk-on who burst onto the scene as a redshirt freshman and was a 12-game starter as a sophomore (2015). Ranked eighth on the team with 45 tackles, fourth in tackles for loss (6.5) and fifth in sacks (3.5). His tackle total is the most by a K-State interior defensive lineman since 2005.

2016 Preseason All-Big 12
2016 Outland Trophy watch list
2015 First Team All-Big 12 (AP)
2015 Honorable Mention All-Big 12 (Coaches)

Honorable Mention:Jordan Willis (Sr. DE 6'5" 258) - Started all 13 games in 2015, recording 36 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss, 9.5 sacks, three pass breakups, four forced fumbles and a fumble recovery. He also blocked a field goal at Oklahoma State. -- 2016 Preseason All-Big 12 -- 2016 Hendricks Award Watch List

LB: Elijah Lee ( Jr. LB 6'3" 228 lbs) - Started all 13 games, leading the team with 80 tackles and tacked on three interceptions.

2016 Preseason All-Big 12
2016 Bednarik Award watch list
2016 Bronko Nagurski Trophy watch list
2016 Butkus Award watch list
2015 Second Team All-Big 12 (Coaches)
2015 Second Team Academic All-Big 12
2015 Honorable Mention Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year

DB: Dante Barnett (Sr. S 6'1" 193) - A dynamic player who is tied for first among active Big 12 players with 29 career starts. Saw a 27-game starting streak end due to an injury in the 2015 season opener. Earned a medical hardship and will be a senior again in the 2016 season. Enters his final campaign as the teams top returning tackler with 181 career stops, while he is also tops with seven career interceptions.

2016 Preseason All-Big 12
2015-16 Bronko Nagurski Award Watch List
2015-16 Bednarik Award Watch List
2015-16 Wuerffel Trophy Watch List
2016 AFCA Good Works Team Nominee
2015 Walter Camp Award Watch List
2015 Jim Thorpe Award Watch List
2014 Second Team All-Big 12
2013 Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl Defensive MVP

Honorable Mention: Duke Shelley (So. DB 5'9" 175) - A dynamic, young defensive back who was expected to redshirt the 2015 season until pressed into starting duties due to injuries. -- 2016 Bronko Nagurski Trophy watch list

OL: Dalton Risner (So. C 6'5" 300 lbs) - A hard-nosed player who started every game at center as a redshirt freshman.

2016 Rimington Trophy watch list
2015 First Team Freshman All-American (Campus Insiders)
2015 Second Team Freshman All-American (Athlon, Scout)
2015 Second Team Academic All-Big 12

WR/TE: Byron Pringle (So. WR 6'2" 205) - Played one season at Butler Community College. Rated the 44th best community-college prospect including the No. 9 wide receiver by ESPN. Also regarded as one of the top 100 community-college prospects in the Class of 2016 by Rivals.com and Scout.com.

Preseason All-Big 12 honors from Phil Steele

FB: Winston Dimel (So. FB 6'1" 235lbs) - A 13-game starter at fullback is also the OCs son. Recorded six rushing touchdowns to rank third in school history among freshmen, while he also finished his initial campaign ranked fifth in school history in receiving yards (261) and scoring (48) among freshmen.

2016 Preseason All-Big 12
2015 First Team All-Big 12 (Coaches)
2015 First Team Academic All-Big 12

RB: Charles Jones (Sr. RB 5'10" 208 lbs) - Has been the primary running back each of the last two seasons. Eclipsed the career 1,000-yard mark in 2015 as he currently ranks 21st in school history. - This is a tough one, because we have three other good backs. Will be interesting to see who gets the most touches in the Stanford matchup.

2016 Doak Walker Award watch list

QB: Jesse Ertz (Jr. QB 6'3" 212 lbs) - One of the top prep quarterbacks coming out of high school in 2013 who earned the starting nod for the 2015 season opener but suffered a season-ending injury on the first play from scrimmage.

Honorable Mention: Alex Delton (RS Fr. QB 6'0" 201 lbs) - A highly-regarded quarterback who played as a true freshman but saw his season end after just two games. Earned a medical hardship and will be classified a redshirt freshman in 2016. Coming out of high school he was rated the 23rd best dual-threat quarterback nationally by Rivals.com and 33rd by ESPN, while he was rated the fifth-best player in the state of Kansas by Rivals.com and the top quarterback in the state by ESPN.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - Spiny_Norman - 08-22-2016

DC Cat, does K State have much history playing against an offense that is not a spread?Â Are there any offenses in the conference that actually huddle and might run more than pass?

What thoughts do the fans have about this game?Â K State's non-conference opponents typically are not from a Power 5 conference.Â It appears that the last time the Wildcats played a non-conference, Power 5 conference team on the road was 2011 @ Miami and 2009 @ UCLA before that.Â

And what can you tell us about the K State defensive coordinator?Â What is his philosophy/approach?

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - CowboyIndian - 08-22-2016

We had a DL (?) Horn from Dayton, WY during the Buddy/Wlat era.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - DC 86 - 08-22-2016

(08-22-2016, 11:46 AM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:We had a DL (?) Horn from Dayton, WY during the Buddy/Wlat era.

Indeed, Chris Horn was a three year starter at DE, from Tongue River HS in Wyoming.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - CTcard - 08-22-2016

(08-22-2016, 08:15 AM)DC Cat link Wrote:Unless I am mishearing, it seems both teams have the same mysteries heading into the season; OL and QB. I am hesitant to be confident, but I know our OL will be strong by BIGXII play. I very much expect growing pains in the first game. Hopefully our OC and Snyder have a scheme with that in mind.

There are superficial similarities between some of the personnel issues on both KSU and Stanford. Both are still looking for their starting QB, both have substantial new faces on the OL, and both see the strength of their defense as a pretty deep defensive backfield.

I am not so sure that those similarities go all that deep. AT KSU the QB prospects include one guy who played for a year and one guy who already won a competition for the starting job but got injured before he could do much. At Stanford the two guys in competition have barely played due to a very stable previous quarterbacking situation, but are big strong mobile guys who have been in the system for several years now (one entering fourth year, the other third).

On the OL, Stanford is looking at guys who have played quite a bit because of our use of 6-7-8 OL on lots of downs, but still will have 3 of 5 who have never been in the key starting group. Don't know much about the KSU situation other than they are replacing 4 of 5, with apparently new positions for all five.

(08-22-2016, 11:33 AM)DC Cat link Wrote:QB: Jesse Ertz (Jr. QB 6'3" 212 lbs) - One of the top prep quarterbacks coming out of high school in 2013 who earned the starting nod for the 2015 season opener but suffered a season-ending injury on the first play from scrimmage.

Just to put some definition on "One of the top prep quarterbacks coming out of high school in 2013", he was rated:
Rivals: no position rating, no national rating, #9 player from Iowa, two star
Scout: #90 QB rating, #18 Midwest QB rating, #2 QB from Iowa, two star
247Sports Composite: #43 ranked pro style QB, #1072 player nationally, three star

He's the same year as: Christian Hackenberg, Jared Goff, Ryan Burns, Max Browne.
[For extreme ends of the "how much they have played so far" scale.]

(08-22-2016, 08:29 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:Defenses won't stack the boxes because it hasn't worked: Mac averaged more yards per carry against eight or larger boxes last year than he averaged against standard sets.Â

Defenses will stack the box against Stanford because:
1. That's what defenses do against Stanford
2. Everyone is most worried about McCaffrey as a RB
3. We will have a new starting QB - whom no one will fear until he makes them
4. They generally don't know what else to do.

I am not so sure it is a good idea, but I am fairly sure Stanford will see a lot of stacked boxes this season.

(08-22-2016, 08:18 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Perhaps I'm naive, but I don't have that much concern about the OL. Sure, they need to gel (2014 is evidence that talent doesn't overcome chemistry/communication defficiencies), but the guys have been in the program and our use of the ogre means they have experience even if not starting.

I am worried for a couple of reasons.
First of all, by default I am worried about an OL with three new starters.
Secondly, reports out of fall camp are somewhat worrying. This from Drukarev (free article)

Quote:"You saw the ones start out really slow," Bloomgren said. "You never want that. ... we couldn't get Christian a little bit of running daylight.Â ... I don't want to say too much before I watch the film, but it sure didn't look like there was too much room to run."

https://stanford.rivals.com/news/scrimmage-notes-bloomgren-on-the-offense

Also from those watching the scrimmage.
FrankO noted,

Quote:both Burns and Chryst under pressure when they were in, also we had several blitzes in the D package that also caused pressure... QBs had to scramble a lot

http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php?topic=15402.msg167993#msg167993

That doesn't sound like a strong OL performance to me.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - BostonCard - 08-22-2016

I'll put on my Cardinal colored glasses for a sec and assume it is a sign of having an "unblockable" defensive line.

There is reason to be excited about the DL.Â With a year of starting experience Solomon Thomas is expected to become a star on the OL.Â He was HM last year, and all reports point to him having a dominant season this year.

Reports lately have been very bullish about Harrison Phillips.Â I think enthusiasm was tempered by the fact that nobody knew how he was going to come back from his injury, but many of those concerns are being laid to rest this pre-season.Â Let's not forget that he was someone who played as a true freshman and was a started as a sophomore until he blew out his ACL.Â Reports from practices and the scrimmage showed that these two could be phenomenal for us.

Obviously there are questions about who will be our third linemen when we are not in the nickel, and who will be in the rotation and/or available if one of our linemen gets injured.Â But I think there is good reason to be bullish about the defensive line.

BC

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - washingtonismoney - 08-22-2016

Local media is bullish on Jesse Ertz: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article97163207.html

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - stupac2 - 08-22-2016

I'll second BC, especially because we seem to go through this every single year. Has there been a year since Luck left where the offense was significantly ahead of the defense? Maybe last year because the DL was so crazy thin and the secondary was being remade, but my recollection is that even then it was a pretty good battle between the 1's. And since this is still pretty early in the process and starters haven't even been named, I'm not all that worried (I mean, besides the standard amount of pre-season worrying). After all, there's a good chance that this is the best defense the offense will see until bowl season. (Who's the competition for that title, Washington? Maybe ND if they stop getting arrested?)

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - OutsiderFan - 08-22-2016

Fact:Â Solomon Thomas disrupted and caused havoc virtually every snap he played in the Spring practice I attended.Â He was the best player on the field.

Fact:Â If Harrison Phillips is close to as disruptive as Thomas, any OL integrating 3 new starters would struggle with them in training camp.Â

Assumption: Stanford's OL will have practiced against better DL competition than KSU has faced in its practices, and Stanford will benefit from this when the teams play.Â It might not be a gigantic edge, but it's an edge, andÂ in highly competitive sports like college football, the margins between winning and losing are usually pretty small.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - BostonCard - 08-22-2016

LW would view the fact that Thomas could cause so much trouble as evidence of how bad the offensive line was.

Anyone who hangs out at the other site know how Longwinded is doing these days?Â Still waiting for the other shoe to drop?

BC

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - Nan3cy - 08-22-2016

He's still around but hasn't posted much in a long time. But fear not: the sky is still falling...

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - teejers1 - 08-22-2016

Have always admired the way K-State plays under Snyder - the classic over-achieving, play-from-whistle-to-whistle team.Â And when he has some horses, the Wildcats have been a top-tier team.Â I don't know their roster, but I'm hoping Stanford has just too many horses for the Wildcats next Friday because even-up, I give the nod to Snyder on the sideline.

P.S.Â Also heard Coach Snyder speak at a breakfast gathering in July in Northern California.Â He has an incredible personal story and a gentlemanly demeanor.Â Hard not to like to the guy.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - Spiny_Norman - 08-22-2016

Coach Snyder is aÂ Hall of Fame football coach and a first class person.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/14433017/kansas-state-wildcats-bill-snyder-legacy-letters
http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2015-10-17/kansas-states-bill-snyder-sends-personal-letter-tcus-trevone-boykin

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - BostonCard - 08-22-2016

Are you guys trying to make DC Cat's head explode by saying nice things about an opponent.Â Don't you know that such things are not supposed to happen on an internet message board?

BC

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - Spiny_Norman - 08-22-2016

(08-22-2016, 04:13 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Are you guys trying to make DC Cat's head explode by saying nice things about an opponent.Â Don't you know that such things are not supposed to happen on an internet message board?

I'm sure that we can miff their fans easily enough.Â Maybe the Band can resurrect the Rose Bowl half time show.Â Just replace the corn costume with a wheat stalk.Â We'll see if the K State fans understand the humor better than the Hawkeye fans did.

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - JJJ - 08-22-2016

(08-22-2016, 06:58 AM)DC Cat link Wrote:I am a little surprised you said, "Not many Stanford fans are going to have in depth knowledge of the Wildcats." I know you are probably overlooking us, but as your first non-conference power 5 opponent I would have thought a good percentage of your fan base would be learning all they could.

Umm, right back atcha? And just a friendly reminder, we are not the "cards"--it's not the bird, it's not the sin, it's not the papal emissary. It's just the color.Â 8)

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - DC Cat - 08-23-2016

(08-22-2016, 04:13 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Are you guys trying to make DC Cat's head explode by saying nice things about an opponent.Â Don't you know that such things are not supposed to happen on an internet message board?

BC

I appreciate it more than anything. Trash talk can be fun, but I truly enjoy the sport. If we weren't playing each other this year, I'd probably be cheering you guys on. Honestly, since we are playing you I want you to win all of your games (just not your first one haha).

(08-22-2016, 04:36 PM)Spiny_Norman link Wrote:I'm sure that we can miff their fans easily enough.Â Maybe the Band can resurrect the Rose Bowl halftime show.Â Just replace the corn costume with a wheat stalk.Â We'll see if the K State fans understand the humor better than the Hawkeye fans did.

I am not sure if you heard about last year's debacle with our band. They won the Sudler trophy the summer before the season and planned a big show for the first game. The show was Star Wars and Star Trek themed. I enjoyed the show, but unfortunately at one point they had the Enterprise fly at our main rival's mascot. Some people thought it looked like we were depicting an adult act and the situation went viral. As long as you weren't being mean spirited, we would definitely enjoy a jab from your band.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/5/9267713/kansas-state-bands-halftime-show-sure-looks-like-a-jayhawk-performing
http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/103192/captain-kirk-weighs-in-k-state-band-controversy

Re: Scouting report on Kansas state? - FarmBoy - 08-23-2016

Quote:I am not sure if you heard about last year's debacle with our band. They won the Sudler trophy the summer before the season and planned a big show for the first game. The show was Star Wars and Star Trek themed. I enjoyed the show, but unfortunately at one point they had the Enterprise fly at our main rival's mascot. Some people thought it looked like we were depicting an adult act and the situation went viral. As long as you weren't being mean spirited, we would definitely enjoy a jab from your band.

That's an awesome gif. And don't fool yourself that the kids weren't being cheeky in that show. It makes no sense to have the enterprise "penetrate" the jayhawk that way instead of using the photon torpedos to vanquish the fowl. But kuddos to those guys. I only wish our kids had done it.

Don't underestimate ones ability to take a satirical show as "mean spiritied" when ones team is down 3 TDs at half. Context is everything.