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Re: &%^$*@$ Pac-12 - Farm93 - 11-21-2016

(11-21-2016, 10:51 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:This is just false. There are plenty of places where you don't have the option at all. And it's not stealing, saying that just makes you look ridiculous.
You can ease your guilt I guess, but that copyrighted material is ending up in your home.  You've heard it since you were a child..."This copyrighted broadcast...blah, blah, blah..any use without the express written consent of (fill in names here) is prohibited by law.

The firms that are streaming the content are doing it without the consent of the Pac-12.  Your access is then part of their crime.  Stealing.  Theft. Etc. 

Pac-12 should post ads with the coaches on the Pac-12 Nets noting that illegal streaming has a victim, your Pac-12 alma mater.

Re: &%^$*@$ Pac-12 - stupac2 - 11-21-2016

(11-21-2016, 12:32 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=16138.msg180126#msg180126 date=1479750686]
This is just false. There are plenty of places where you don't have the option at all. And it's not stealing, saying that just makes you look ridiculous.
You can ease your guilt I guess, but that copyrighted material is ending up in your home.  You've heard it since you were a child..."This copyrighted broadcast...blah, blah, blah..any use without the express written consent of (fill in names here) is prohibited by law.

The firms that are streaming the content are doing it without the consent of the Pac-12.  Your access is then part of their crime.  Stealing.  Theft. Etc. 

Pac-12 should post ads with the coaches on the Pac-12 Nets noting that illegal streaming has a victim, your Pac-12 alma mater.
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I was wondering when you'd assume that I'm doing this: newsflash, I'm not. Your arguments are just really bad.

You also might want to considering consulting a dictionary for the meaning of the word "theft". You keep using it incorrectly.

I also love the idea that this is taking money from Stanford (woe is Stanford, of the multi-billion dollar endowment), when Stanford sees, what, $0.10 per subscriber or something? It would be hard to come up with something that matters less.

Re: &%^$*@$ Pac-12 - Roberton3 - 11-21-2016

(11-21-2016, 10:00 AM)Farm93 link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=16138.msg180107#msg180107 date=1479744426]
How in the world is it "literally stealing" if the person can't even buy the thing if he wanted to?
You can't buy it from the firm you are doing business with today.  Everyone in the USA can buy Pac-12 Nets.  One could buy DirectTV AND cable.  One could switch to cable or Dish.

It is available for sale, at least for those in the USA...
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I live roughly 1 mile from the US Capitol building.  Last time I checked, that puts me in the United States.  I can't get anything that comes via dish (I live in a high-rise apartment building, and the management won't put a dish on the roof).  I have one option for cable TV (Comcast), and in this local market, Comcast doesn't offer the Pac-12 channel.  So no, neither cable nor dish works as a way for me to get the Pac-12 channel.

I think it might be possible for me to get it via SlingTV, but if so, that'd cost somewhere around $50/month, and would otherwise duplicate my existing cable channels, so I'd effectively be paying roughly $50/month for one channel.  Why not do SlingTV and cancel cable?  Because Comcast is also my only option for broadband internet, and they've set up the pricing so that internet alone is roughly the same price as internet plus cable tv.

So I'm not sure if I can buy the channel at all, and if I can, it's substantially more than I'm willing to pay.  If the unlicensed streams weren't available, I simply wouldn't watch the games.

BTW, unlike many here, I'm not blaming the Pac-12 for this (or, to the extent that I am, I'd give them a pretty small share of the blame).  It's just that the media market in general is rife with market failures.

Re: &%^$*@$ Pac-12 - pefloresjr - 11-21-2016

Wait.  Isn't stealing cable one of our (Deity of your personal choosing) given rights?  I personally don't care about people picking up unauthorized streams of sports.  It is at the very bottom of the crime seriousness pyramid.  I also agree that people have no right to complain about not having good unauthorized streams available, but do have a right to complain about the Pac-12 not ensuring wide distribution or access before going for the shiny pile of gold. 

Cheers,
Pete F.

Re: &%^$*@$ Pac-12 - thunder_chik - 11-21-2016

My 2 cents:
I guess I'm okay with delayed gratification.  I only pay for Netflix and basic Sling, so if the game is on Pac12 Network or FS1, I listen to it on TuneIn radio.  Eventually, most of the games show up on YouTube.  ;)


Re: &%^$*@$ Pac-12 - CrazedZooChimp - 11-21-2016

(11-21-2016, 10:51 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=16138.msg180118#msg180118 date=1479747602]
[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=16138.msg180107#msg180107 date=1479744426]
How in the world is it "literally stealing" if the person can't even buy the thing if he wanted to?
You can't buy it from the firm you are doing business with today.  Everyone in the USA can buy Pac-12 Nets.  One could buy DirectTV AND cable.  One could switch to cable or Dish.

It is available for sale, at least for those in the USA.  For those living outside the USA I get the not available story, but for most on this board the objective has been to stay loyal to DirecTV and steal from the Pac-12 Nets and its owners, including the Stanford Athletic Department.

We are in year 5? 6? of the Pac-12 Nets.  Pac-12 is missing out on millions of DirecTV dollars.  DirecTV is able to hold the line, in part, because some of its customers are stealing.  Kind of that subtle, "victim-less" crime stealing, but still enjoying unauthorized distribution of material owned by the Pac-12.
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This is just false. There are plenty of places where you don't have the option at all. And it's not stealing, saying that just makes you look ridiculous.
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Are you sure? Because I'm pretty sure DISH is available anywhere in the US that DirecTV is, but I guess I'm not 100% positive.

Also, this year SlingTV added the Pac-12 Network, unless that somehow ended in the last month (http://pac-12.com/article/2016/09/07/pac-12-networks-adds-all-six-regional-networks-sling-tv), so I'm real skeptical that someone with an internet connection can't get Pac-12 Network legally.

DirecTV isn't going to ever cave and add the Pac-12Network as long as it's users complain to the Pac-12 about it instead of to DirecTV, or refuse to switch. I've got no sympathy for people who complain about the Pac-12 because they're illegal stream sucks (which the OP seems to have, but never clarified whether it was a legal stream cutting off or not) when they refuse to switch providers.

Or, geez, just get the password from someone who has Comcast or DISH and watch it legally in HD. Your stream won't suck, it won't give you viruses, and the network can still track you as a viewer for future negotiations with cable/internet/onlineTV providers.