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Re: JJ Hones dismissed from team - 82lsju - 05-12-2010

this may (or may not) factor into things (see new item regarding on-campus DUI effective winter 2010)

The Fundamental Standard

The Fundamental Standard has set the standard of conduct for students at Stanford since 1896. It states:

   Students at Stanford are expected to show both within and without the University such respect for order, morality, personal honor and the rights of others as is demanded of good citizens. Failure to do this will be sufficient cause for removal from the University.

Over the years, the Fundamental Standard has been applied to a great variety of situations. Actions that have been found to be in violation of it include:

   * Physical Assault
   * Property damage; attempts to damage University property
   * Theft, including theft of University property such as street signs, furniture, and library books
   * Forgery, such as signing an instructor’s signature to a grade change card
   * Sexual harassment or other sexual misconduct
   * Charging computer time or long distance telephone calls to unauthorized accounts
   * Misrepresentation in seeking financial aid, University housing, discount computer purchases, or other University benefits
   * Misuse of University computer equipment or e-mail
   * Driving on campus while under the influence of alcohol or drugs
   * Sending threatening and obscene messages to another student via e-mail, phone or voice-mail

There is no standard penalty which applies to violations of the Fundamental Standard. Infractions have led to penalties ranging from formal warning and community service to expulsion. In each case, the nature and seriousness of the offense, the motivation underlying the offense and precedent in similar cases are considered.

and

Driving on Campus Under the Influence of Alcohol and/or Drugs

The following guidance supersedes past guidance of the Stanford Judicial Council and Board on Judicial Affairs concerning driving while under the influence of alcohol or drugs:

If a student is charged with violation of a university policy, such as the University\'s Controlled Substances and Alcohol policy, then the Judicial Panel must look to the policy, which may or may not reference the law.

If a student is charged with violation of the Fundamental Standard, then the Judicial Panel must look to the Fundamental Standard itself:

     Students at Stanford are expected to show both within and without the University such respect for order, morality, personal honor and the rights of others as is demanded of good citizens.

Conduct that poses a risk of significant harm to people or property will generally violate this standard. Driving while under the influence of alcohol or drugs is an example of such conduct. If the legal standard for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs is met, the risk is particularly clear, but meeting a legal standard is not necessary for finding a violation of the Fundamental Standard. Additionally, if an outside court or District Attorney\'s Office, for whatever reason, permitted a student to plea bargain down from a charged DUI offense, Judicial Panels must still decide for themselves what conduct the student engaged in and whether that conduct violates the community\'s standard for "order, morality, personal honor and the rights of others as is demanded of good citizens." [Adopted Winter 2010]

Re: JJ Hones dismissed from team - GoodGrief - 05-12-2010

I have to say that as much as I respect Tara for being disciplined about her athletes, if this is entirely about the golf cart incident, then I think that she was too harsh.

Everything is a completely different story if this took place in a car. Driving drunk & evading officers in a car can have catastrophic effects. But in a golf cart? I feel like that the worst realistic scenario would have resulted in minor property damage and injury to the driver.

My opinion is that JJ deserves suspension and a TON of community service including speaking to kids about alcohol abuse, but I think that the ejection from the team is too harsh.

Some sort of yardstick, FWIW - Redrum - 05-12-2010

A couple of years ago Harbaugh kicked TE Ben Ladner and WR/DB Chris Hobbs off the team for an undisclosed violation of team rules.   Reports had it that the issue was drug use and that Harbaugh had spoken to both players and (again, reportedly) received assurances that they would not partake, leaving Harbaugh to smoke the entire bong\'s worth of sensemilla all by himself.   :D  But-- and this is where things get murky-- he reportedly got information from a source he trusted that they did not follow through on their assurances...so he dismissed them from the team.   Lots of brouhaha about neither getting to confront their accuser (the alleged informant)...which is a bit different than Hones case, where the cops were in active pursuit.

Re: JJ Hones dismissed from team - meos - 05-13-2010

Sad. Some rumors of repeated offenses are floating around.
The players are understandably silent and JJ\'s old twitter site is gone.

Not so loud, Redrum - JohnR34231 - 05-13-2010

Hobbs\' mother may still be lurking on these boards.

The last thing we\'d want is to get her going again.

Re: JJ Hones dismissed from team - slide - 05-13-2010

Hobbs, despite the dismissal, graduated from Stanford before transferring to Memphis.  

Good for Chris - Redrum - 05-13-2010

I actually had an exchange with his mom last year and learned that he had graduated and moved on.   Congratulated him and her and wished him success.   She was not having any of it  and moving on for her had not occurred at that time.

Re: Some sort of yardstick, FWIW - Mick - 05-13-2010

Quote:A couple of years ago Harbaugh kicked TE Ben Ladner and WR/DB Chris Hobbs off the team for an undisclosed violation of team rules.   Reports had it that the issue was drug use and that Harbaugh had spoken to both players and (again, reportedly) received assurances that they would not partake, leaving Harbaugh to smoke the entire bong\'s worth of sensemilla all by himself.   :D  But-- and this is where things get murky-- he reportedly got information from a source he trusted that they did not follow through on their assurances...so he dismissed them from the team.   Lots of brouhaha about neither getting to confront their accuser (the alleged informant)...which is a bit different than Hones case, where the cops were in active pursuit.

Apropos of nothing, this kind of judgment based upon indirect observation allows a pretty substantial amount of power to the accuser.  I understand that the players were on a short leash, but if one player disliked the two of them (or played behind them) went to the coach and swore on a stack of bibles that they were partaking, well....