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Re: Kyle Peterson CWS - JJJ - 06-26-2017
Florida wins game 1 4-3 over LSU. I have no idea who was umping home plate but he made some iffy calls too.
Bonus: segued into MLB Rockies at Giants and David Flemming on the mic. (ESPN)
Re: Kyle Peterson CWS - Papa John - 06-27-2017
(06-26-2017, 11:36 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Do they call them this far off the plate in Little League?
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/878731203016372225
OF, believe it or not, a few umpires would call that pitch a strike in Little League. The point is to get the kids, especially those who are new to the game, to not try to walk every time they come to the plate and to swing the bat at balls they can reach. So, if a batter is crowding the plate and, in the estimation of the ump, could reach that pitch, it might be called a strike. But in my experience in District 63--southern Santa Barbara and Ventura Counties in California--*most* umps would call that a ball, but they also might call out to the pitcher "an inch or two outside" to let the pitcher know that it was close to a (Little League) strike.
There are also issues with the vertical pitch zone in Little League. It's supposed to extend up to the batter's armpits, assuming that the batter is in a normal batting stance. So for batters who crouch more than what is typical, the official strike zone might extend up to the batter's eyes. But most Little League umps won't try to interpolate and will call strikes up to around the batter's chin.
The best Little League umps are consistent with whatever strike zone they implement, but, like Mick and others have mentioned, you don't always get the best umps in Little League (or the CWS). At 10U Little League is supposed to be developmental, so, like I've said, you don't want a walk-fest and you want batters to swing at balls with which they could make contact.
Re: Kyle Peterson CWS - OutsiderFan - 06-27-2017
I can forgive, maybe even justify an expanded Little League strike zone for the reasons given. NCAA baseball is a whole other ballgame. At that and any other level above Little League, pitches that travel over the right hand batter's box chalk lines should never, ever be called strikes.
As an aside, there seems to be more discussion about using technology to call the strike zone. I even heard there is a potential "compromise" technology being developed, one that gives umpires a mask with a sort of display that allows them to see where the ball travels, so all the home plate umpire would need to do is call what the display indicates. In any case, I'm confident that within 10 years, technology will be being used to call balls and strikes.
Re: Kyle Peterson CWS - Mick - 06-27-2017
(06-27-2017, 10:22 AM)Papa John link Wrote:[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=17004.msg195093#msg195093 date=1498502209]
Do they call them this far off the plate in Little League?
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/878731203016372225
OF, believe it or not, a few umpires would call that pitch a strike in Little League. The point is to get the kids, especially those who are new to the game, to not try to walk every time they come to the plate and to swing the bat at balls they can reach. So, if a batter is crowding the plate and, in the estimation of the ump, could reach that pitch, it might be called a strike. But in my experience in District 63--southern Santa Barbara and Ventura Counties in California--*most* umps would call that a ball, but they also might call out to the pitcher "an inch or two outside" to let the pitcher know that it was close to a (Little League) strike.
There are also issues with the vertical pitch zone in Little League. It's supposed to extend up to the batter's armpits, assuming that the batter is in a normal batting stance. So for batters who crouch more than what is typical, the official strike zone might extend up to the batter's eyes. But most Little League umps won't try to interpolate and will call strikes up to around the batter's chin.
The best Little League umps are consistent with whatever strike zone they implement, but, like Mick and others have mentioned, you don't always get the best umps in Little League (or the CWS). At 10U Little League is supposed to be developmental, so, like I've said, you don't want a walk-fest and you want batters to swing at balls with which they could make contact.
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Agreed, and perhaps just a little tiny shout-out to the coaches who teach solid pitching mechanics to their little leaguers at the cost of rearing back and heaving it like a brain-dead hurler, so they can actually throw strikes, and the umpires who reward the accuracy of those pitchers.
Re: Kyle Peterson CWS - Papa John - 06-27-2017
(06-27-2017, 12:57 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I can forgive, maybe even justify an expanded Little League strike zone for the reasons given. NCAA baseball is a whole other ballgame. At that and any other level above Little League, pitches that travel over the right hand batter's box chalk lines should never, ever be called strikes.
Absolutely, OF, and, just to avoid confusion, here is the strike zone as defined by the NCAA rulebook:
Quote: The area over home plate from the bottom of the kneecaps to the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants. The strike zone shall be determined from the batters stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball
The top part of the vertical strike zone seems subjective to me, but the horizontal limits are clear and, in college ball, no pitch that passes the plate over the batter's box chalk lines should be called a strike--ever.