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Re: Week 2 Polls - fullmetal - 09-07-2017
Well at the least, they know:
The question ("How do I deal with spread offenses and all these talented HS players who prefer spread offenses?")
And the answer ("Go hire an OC who knows the spread and the run.").
Re: Week 2 Polls - OutsiderFan - 09-07-2017
(09-07-2017, 11:54 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:I disagree with the entire premise of your post.
The great coaches don't "know the questions and the answers". The difference between the great coaches and the middling coaches is that the great coaches know their limitations and can identify the people who can fix them. Chip Kelly was an offensive genius, but he was smart enough to find a good DC and let them run the defense. Same with Jim Harbaugh; the story of Richard Sherman is that one of the reasons he transferred to defense is that it put him outside of Harbaugh's purview. Even Nick Saban knew that he didn't have the answers for the changed to college football (spread option, tempo), so he hired an offensive coordinator who modernized his offense.
The great coaches don't know everything, but they know what they don't know and hire accordingly.
BC
It sure seems your answer validates my post. The questions asked certainly may involve how to mask or shore up limitations and maximize strengths with the best answers.
Re: Week 2 Polls - DC 86 - 09-07-2017
I also disagree with the entire premise, but in a different sense.
Coaching indeed is enormously important, far moreso in college sports than in the professional ranks. But strategy/execution is not what separates coaches and shouldn't be the basis for defining three tiers of coaches.
The top coaches are hyper-effective CEOs who are able to obtain administrative buy-in, create a culture of accountability and teamwork, hire exceptional co-ordinators and perhaps most importantly create an elite recruiting network and operation. Charlie Weis is the obvious example of the brilliant co-ordinator who proved in the NFL that he could manage strategy and produce execution extremely well, but was disastrous in the other areas to the point that he soon lost the confidence of both his bosses and his players. Jim Harbaugh never was (or claimed to be) a tactical genius but he turned around Stanford by selling the program very effectively in order to attract a higher grade of talent, fostering a mentally and physically tough team in his own image, and delegating to elite co-ordinators, thus transforming the school into a destination for elite recruits who were willing to work hard.
The other issue - even if you accept the concept of three tiers - is identifying a coach's ability absent a decade+ of coaching or multiple successful stops. David Shaw is highly regarded as a top coach in his seventh season; Jeff Tedford was 59-30 (4-1 in bowls) through seven seasons at Cal yet is now lumped in with Dykes as a mediocre coach, inferred to rank below Justin Wilcox who has coached a grand total of one game. Obviously coaches like Saban, Meyer and Petersen who have been consistently successful at different stops are sure things, but there are few in that class and rarely available on the open market. Even Texas, Florida and SC in recent years has been forced to hope for the best in hiring head coaches whose resumes as the top man are still in the formative stages.
Re: Week 2 Polls - OutsiderFan - 09-07-2017
Urban Meyer, one of the Tier 3 coaches:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20616982/urban-meyer-says-first-year-coach-insane-complaining-players
Re: Week 2 Polls - Goose - 09-07-2017
(09-07-2017, 01:22 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:The top coaches are hyper-effective CEOs who are able to obtain administrative buy-in, create a culture of accountability and teamwork, hire exceptional co-ordinators and perhaps most importantly create an elite recruiting network and operation.I agree. The top coaches are great leaders. It helps if they can recognize (or know themselves) the direction to go, but even when the direction could be questioned, great leadership often produces great results even when the plan isn't perfect. Consider the different styles of play that exist in successful programs today. There isn't just one answer. "A good plan violently executed today..."
Re: Week 2 Polls - fullmetal - 09-07-2017
It doesn't take a whole offseason to teach a KR not to fumble/drop the ball. It shouldn't take more than an offseason to teach your OL how to not hold. It does feel as if Herman failed to assess his team's ability to execute fundamental football. Not sure where he is between tier 1 and tier 2, but he sure made a strong case against putting himself in tier 3 (the good one).