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Re: Mora fired - Hey - 11-19-2017

Cool, now California taxes can be spent on the rest of his contract for not coaching.  How Tedfordian of him.

Re: Mora fired - needle - 11-19-2017

The words in this article are pretty inscrutable as far as the likelihood of Bloomgren leaving, but its existence makes me think he's more likely to leave than in the past:

Quote:Bloomgren said he’s had inquiries about 10 college head coaching jobs over the years and has been offered an NFL assistant’s job “every year I’ve been here.”
He has interviewed for some of those jobs, but won’t discuss how close he has come to leaving Stanford or which school or pro team has tendered the offers.
“For me, it’s always been: Don’t mess with happy,” he said. “I really feel like my next step is to be a head coach. I don’t feel any need to take an offensive-line job in the NFL for just a little bit more money. I don’t feel like that helps me towards my goal. I don’t feel like taking another college job as a coordinator helps me towards my goal.”


http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article/Why-isn-t-Stanford-s-Mike-Bloomgren-a-head-12360996.php

Re: Mora fired - qwerty49 - 11-19-2017

Since they play so soft they need a real macho guy to whip them into shape. And without weapons in the locker room.

Wlat- tanned, rested and ready.

Re: Mora fired - gocard14 - 11-19-2017

I for one really hope that Chip Kelly goes elsewhere. Niners stint notwithstanding, i think he is an elite college coach and would be able to leverage LA talent into an elite team within a few years. Our schedule is tough enough already.

Re: Mora fired - Leftcoast - 11-19-2017

Well, there's LOTS of GOOD college coaches a smart guy like Guerrero could pick up. I hear Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Knute Rockne, Pop Warner and "Bear" Bryant no longer have jobs. 

That would be thinking outside the (6 ft) box!

Re: Mora fired - CowboyIndian - 11-19-2017

(11-19-2017, 04:43 PM)leftcoast link Wrote:Well, there's LOTS of GOOD college coaches a smart guy like Guerrero could pick up. I hear Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Knute Rockne, Pop Warner and "59er" Bryant no longer have jobs. 

Trump has suggested Frederick Douglass.

Re: Mora fired - DC 86 - 11-19-2017

Strongest rumors are about UCLA aggressively going after Chip Kelly. It was interesting that Dan Guerrero announced that Casey Wasserman would be "assisting him" in the search process. Indicates that money will not be an issue, and that UCLA could actually prevail in a bidding war. The other name that is getting a lot of play is Kevin Sumlin (assuming he departs A&M).

Re: Mora fired - ChicagoCard - 11-19-2017

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https://twitter.com/MylesJack/status/932400884255834112

Re: Mora fired - Goose - 11-19-2017

Naturally, I don't know what Chip Kelly is thinking. However, he certainly doesn't need the money. He has coached and won in the PAC-12 before, at a school where he basically could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. He also had all the Nike money, so he didn't lack resources. Why go to UCLA? His program will always be second fiddle to USC. He has to put up with the UC system scrutiny and regulations. He will not be allowed to do anything he wants. He will not be more important than the chancellor. He will also be under a microscope from the press. Recruiting may be easier than at Oregon as far as the location goes, but somewhat harder as far as academics and character requirements goes. Also, Oregon was a good program when he took over. UCLA isn't.
I would imagine that if Kelly wants to get back in the collage ranks, he would want to do so in the SEC, where he would have much more freedom than he would get at UCLA. I would assume the only reason to return would be a national championship. Much better odds in the SEC. Either way, you probably have to beat Alabama.

Re: Mora fired - Bruce Wang - 11-19-2017

(11-19-2017, 12:48 PM)winflop link Wrote:I think we owe it to Dan Guerrero to provide him with a list of candidates:
Rick Neuheisel
Dennis Erickson
Gary Andersen
Steve Sarkisian
Butch Jones
Charlie Weis
Houston Nutt
Bo Pelini
Randy Edsall
June Jones
LANE KIFFIN!!!!

Come on folks let's help UCLA keep that losing streak alive!!!

Need to add Mike Bloomgren to that list.

Re: Mora fired - BostonCard - 11-20-2017

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/20/ucla-fires-jim-mora-on-the-chip-kelly-calculation-dan-guerreros-legacy-the-china-factor-and-this-moment-in-time/

Wilner sure thinks Kelly will be the replacement.

BC

Re: Mora fired - TreesAndBirds - 11-20-2017

Query whether new early recruiting commitment date ( 12/20) is affecting coaching changes (accelerating terminations/search for replacement). Of course UCLA could have waited another week, but what if they then beat Cal and go to bowl? This gives them more chance to get another coach in place before commitment date. Of course they also could have waited until after commitment date and then informed new commits that the coach that recruited you wont be around. But that would be wrong......

Re: Mora fired - Goose - 11-20-2017

(11-20-2017, 07:42 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/20/ucla-fires-jim-mora-on-the-chip-kelly-calculation-dan-guerreros-legacy-the-china-factor-and-this-moment-in-time/

Wilner sure thinks Kelly will be the replacement.

BC
BC, I didn't read it quite that way. I read it that UCLA really wants to hire Kelly, not that Kelly has said yes. As Wilner said, there are reasons to suspect it is not a good fit. It also seems unlikely that the Wasserman money matters very much to Kelly, as he is getting paid by SF and, I think, Philadelphia for quite a while. We will know pretty soon I guess, if it is a yes from Kelly.

Re: Mora fired - CTcard - 11-20-2017

(11-20-2017, 08:58 PM)Goose link Wrote:It also seems unlikely that the Wasserman money matters very much to Kelly, as he is getting paid by SF and, I think, Philadelphia for quite a while.

I don't know anything about what Kelly is looking for, but generally with these guys the money isn't because they need it - the money is keeping score amongst their peers.

Re: Mora fired - Goose - 11-20-2017

(11-20-2017, 09:11 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Goose link=topic=18083.msg214042#msg214042 date=1511236720]
It also seems unlikely that the Wasserman money matters very much to Kelly, as he is getting paid by SF and, I think, Philadelphia for quite a while.

I don't know anything about what Kelly is looking for, but generally with these guys the money isn't because they need it - the money is keeping score amongst their peers.
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True, but every nickel he makes from his other job is subtracted from what he gets from the pro teams. To actually make more, they would have to pay him more than what he is getting from Dork. Seems unlikely that will go down well at UCLA. So, for Kelly, even as a score keeping tool, it is doubtful he can actually get more dollars in real terms. We shall see though.

Re: Mora fired - Embo - 11-20-2017

(11-20-2017, 08:49 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:Of course UCLA could have waited another week, but what if they then beat ןɐɔ and go to bowl? This gives them more chance to get another coach in place before commitment date. Of course they also could have waited until after commitment date and then informed new commits that the coach that recruited you wont be around. But that would be wrong......
Oh, that's been done before.  By none other than Lane Kiffin.  I remember, in 2012, keeping this running tally in my mind of all the things Kiffin did that were so rodent-like.  It included, in short chronological order:
- Refusing Norm Chow and Hawaii to do a walk through in the Coliseum because he wanted to "preserve the field".
- Banning a reporter because he reported an injury.
- Having his reserve QB change his number to the punter's during a two point conversion attempt.
- Deflating footballs against Oregon.

Kiffin saved his best for February 2013.  His running backs coach, Kennedy Polamalu, was also a great recruiter who bonded with several prospects.  Kiffin fired Polamalu right after National Signing Day. 






Re: Mora fired - washingtonismoney - 11-21-2017

Wasserman's money presumably matters for:
1) assistant coaches
2) overall staff budget (e.g. the various gofers, consultants, blah blah blah)
3) recruiting budget (more jets!)
4) random baubles to distract recruits, both legal and not

Re: Mora fired - ColoradoTree - 11-21-2017

(11-19-2017, 02:08 PM)needle link Wrote:The words in this article are pretty inscrutable as far as the likelihood of Bloomgren leaving, but its existence makes me think he's more likely to leave than in the past:

Quote:Bloomgren said he’s had inquiries about 10 college head coaching jobs over the years and has been offered an NFL assistant’s job “every year I’ve been here.”
He has interviewed for some of those jobs, but won’t discuss how close he has come to leaving Stanford or which school or pro team has tendered the offers.
“For me, it’s always been: Don’t mess with happy,” he said. “I really feel like my next step is to be a head coach. I don’t feel any need to take an offensive-line job in the NFL for just a little bit more money. I don’t feel like that helps me towards my goal. I don’t feel like taking another college job as a coordinator helps me towards my goal.”


http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article/Why-isn-t-Stanford-s-Mike-Bloomgren-a-head-12360996.php

I love that quote.  When other programs want to interview your coordinators for head coaching jobs, you're doing something right.  I have a feeling he wouldn't leave for just any head coaching job, either, knowing how quickly you can go from hero to goat.  And it sends the right message to the program that hires him, too--this is no job-hopper.  Once he finds that right fit, he'll be inclined to stick with you for the long term. 

He'll never be the sexy pick, though, which probably factors into why he hasn't become a head coach.  You'd need a place that isn't concerned with sexy, doesn't have outsized expectations, and mainly just wants a solid guy that will run a clean and respectable program.  Iowa once Ferentz leaves, perhaps?

Re: Mora fired - Mick - 11-21-2017

(11-21-2017, 09:16 AM)ColoradoTree link Wrote:He'll never be the sexy pick, though, which probably factors into why he hasn't become a head coach.  You'd need a place that isn't concerned with sexy, doesn't have outsized expectations, and mainly just wants a solid guy that will run a clean and respectable program.  Iowa once Ferentz leaves, perhaps?


Slightly OT, but I love to hire the non-sexy pick, the candidate who is qualified as anyone but for a variety of reasons isn't considered the sexy pick.  They almost always pan out for me.  And candidly...I don't quite trust the sexy pick.  They're often overrated for a variety of other reasons.

Re: Mora fired - gocard14 - 11-21-2017

(11-20-2017, 09:22 PM)Goose link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=18083.msg214046#msg214046 date=1511237518]
[quote author=Goose link=topic=18083.msg214042#msg214042 date=1511236720]
It also seems unlikely that the Wasserman money matters very much to Kelly, as he is getting paid by SF and, I think, Philadelphia for quite a while.

I don't know anything about what Kelly is looking for, but generally with these guys the money isn't because they need it - the money is keeping score amongst their peers.
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True, but every nickel he makes from his other job is subtracted from what he gets from the pro teams. To actually make more, they would have to pay him more than what he is getting from Dork. Seems unlikely that will go down well at UCLA. So, for Kelly, even as a score keeping tool, it is doubtful he can actually get more dollars in real terms. We shall see though.
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That can easily be worked around in a contract, where the money is backloaded and all guaranteed, so he works for low wages while still on the Niners dime and makes extra money later.

The bigger issue is that as a coach in demand, you have a certain amount of credibility, and you want to leverage that into the best situation possible for long term success. Once you’ve picked a school and it doesn’t go well, that’s all shot, so choosing wisely is essential. Chip Kelly can wait another year or two for the right job, and I don’t know if the UCLA gig is one that he would jump for.