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RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - threepointer - 12-07-2018

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Margerum wasn't that fast. I was there when he ran a couple of 4.7s for NFL scouts. He had a great vertical jump and a deformed finger that he claimed helped him to catch the ball. Also very strong, he could BP 350 lbs. at a body weight of about 180. Crazy fearless, he used to windsurf under the GG Bridge.

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Ken Margerum was not that fast?

Maybe not on that day running the 40 for NFL scouts. Margerum placed 2nd in California in the 120 high hurdles with a time of 13.78. That's the equivalent of a 13.81 time in the 110 high hurdles. That would be the second fastest time ever for a Stanford hurdler. He also ran a 10.94 time in the 100 meter dash. He also won the CIF title in the triple jump.

He was a member of one of Stanford's all-time best 4x100 meter relay teams in 1978 along with James Lofton, Darrin Nelson and Gordon Banks.

He used to wear black high top shoes when he was in the NFL because they made him look slower.

He had track speed and more importantly he had football speed.

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - Mick - 12-08-2018

(12-07-2018, 10:36 PM)BobK Wrote: However Margerum was a great hurdler That takes speed

Margerum ran a 13.78 in high school in the 120 yard high hurdles (13.81 metric equivalent). Current world record is 12.80. He was fast. And he did have a 42-inch vertical jump.

Oddly enough, his ex-wife and two daughters are also hurdlers.
https://jackrabbitstrack.com/our-coaches/

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - BobK - 12-08-2018

Mick HS hurdles are shorter than big boy hurdles. A good conversion is 8/10 is a second. Still that’s a great HS time

One daughter was a LJer at cal but injured early

Ken’s former sister in law a many time Olympic long jumper

Ken’s former father in law set the National Long Jump HS record

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - cctop - 12-08-2018

That's one hell of a throw at 29s. Never seen that one before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=XJCZGc1ZaSw&t=29s

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJCZGc1ZaSw
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RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - Embo - 12-08-2018

(12-08-2018, 10:26 AM)cctop Wrote: That's one hell of a throw at 29s. Never seen that one before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=XJCZGc1ZaSw&t=29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJCZGc1ZaSw

cctop, you must be a youngster. That's one of many Elway famous tosses. It's legendary in many ways. The defender is none other than Ronnie Lott. He was quoted back then as saying that he felt there was no way a QB could make that long a throw, and then he saw the ball being howitzer'd and thought, "Oh s***" .

The very first catch in that YouTube clip was in the Bluebonnet Bowl, in the old Astrodome, on 12/31/1978 which I witnessed in person. The Daily article following that game quoted Margerum as telling Steve Dils in the huddle that he could get free on a double move, a shake-slant-shake. That was one of Margerum's talents - his ability to get open.

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - qwerty49 - 12-08-2018

(12-08-2018, 10:26 AM)cctop Wrote: That's one hell of a throw at 29s. Never seen that one before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=XJCZGc1ZaSw&t=29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJCZGc1ZaSw
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At 0:29? Possible the most famous throw Elway made during his collegiate career. I had the privilege of seeing that live.

We were getting pounded by U$C. This was right before the half. What the clip doesn't show is Elway was scrambling and had already reversed his field -- he had a patented spin move in the pocket that nearly always bought him more time, and he was extremely mobile. When he released the ball we saw Margerum was open in the end zone by about 10 yards. That's Ronnie Lott the defender #42. Lott later said he left Margerum open because he didn't think anyone could throw it as far as Elway did. The ball probably traveled about 60-65 yards in the air and Lott had plenty of time to take aim at Margerum and just leveled him. But Kenny hung on.

Of course through the foggy lens of time I'm tempted to say the ball went 90 yards through the air and that Margerum jumped over the goalposts to catch it, but you get the picture. People remember Elway's cannon arm but tend to overlook how mobile he was before the Stanford coaches begged him not to be. And Margerum was just an exceptional receiver, fast, great hops, great hands.

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - BobK - 12-08-2018

I there also. My then 3 month old son’s first game. When Margerum caught the pass maybe as loud as I’ve ever been at any game My son scream for so long wife took him into the tunnel.

He remains a brobdingnagian fan :)

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - Red State1 - 12-08-2018

Margerum wasn't that fast. I was there when he ran a couple of 4.7s for NFL scouts. He had a great vertical jump and a deformed finger that he claimed helped him to catch the ball. Also very strong, he could BP 350 lbs. at a body weight of about 180. Crazy fearless, he used to windsurf under the GG Bridge.

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Ken Margerum was not that fast?

Maybe not on that day running the 40 for NFL scouts. Margerum placed 2nd in California in the 120 high hurdles with a time of 13.78. That's the equivalent of a 13.81 time in the 110 high hurdles. That would be the second fastest time ever for a Stanford hurdler. He also ran a 10.94 time in the 100 meter dash. He also won the CIF title in the triple jump.

He was a member of one of Stanford's all-time best 4x100 meter relay teams in 1978 along with James Lofton, Darrin Nelson and Gordon Banks.

He used to wear black high top shoes when he was in the NFL because they made him look slower.

He had track speed and more importantly he had football speed.
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Speaking of speed, which former Stanford WR ran the nation's fastest 100 meters while in HS?

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - Embo - 12-08-2018

Continuing this thread regarding Kenny Margerum:

Qwerty, BobK, Chicago Card, anyone: Do you recall the 1980 Big Game at Berkeley? There was a throw that does not show up anywhere except as a check mark in the "attempts" column. It was an incompletion. The game was not televised, so there is no replay that would be available. But it was one of the most remarkable athletic feats I've ever seen.

It was the first quarter. Stanford had the ball on or around their own 15 or 20 yard line. I was in the Stanford student section, which back then was on the southwest corner of the stadium, and I was seated around the 10 yard line. Elway's back was to the north end of Memorial Stadium. Margerum lined out wide on the left. Elway was under pressure, ran backwards and spun a bit to his right then spun quickly left. He was now squared up surveying the field while standing in his own end zone. From my vantage point, I saw out of the corner of my eye that Margerum had just kept running down the Cal sideline without stopping and was nearing the south 20 yard line. I actually thought to myself, "Oh, if only Elway could see him .... but that's too far". But Elway saw him and threw - 80 yards. The ball simply had no arc - it was like watching a professional baseball player throw from right field to nail a tagging runner at third. Margerum dove for it and couldn't catch it, and it was out of bounds anyway. But the ENTIRE stadium - both red and blue - let out a big WHOA: Undoubtedly because we all thought - did a human being just do that?

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - BobK - 12-08-2018

Hey red state the college and pro hurdles are higher than HS. Ken is no longer top 10 at Stanford.
That was Sheets not Ken in the great time for the 4x100 In 1978 with Lofton and Nelson and Banks However your point is dead on Ken was very fast

Well Ken Curl came to Stanford with the fastest 100 but didn’t play Football. He did become a dentist

But a FB player wow I can’t think of who

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - Stymie - 12-08-2018

(12-07-2018, 12:32 PM)Phogge Wrote: Hulk found Irwin before anybody on TOS. While he never became a great receiver he was very, very good. He could be a good Niners #3 though after today's Chron Bay Area headline and the great Ann Killion's column I would not want my kid to play for them. Better off playing for somebody like Shurmer.

(12-07-2018, 05:15 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:
(12-07-2018, 04:56 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote:
(12-07-2018, 04:17 AM)Stymie Wrote: Irwin is the answer to the question:

Ou est les Margera d'antan?

Trent

Please recover and give us something else to spend time in front of TV's on Sundays.

Stymie

It took me a while, and my French is pretty good.

I think it’s safe to say that you were not referring to Bam Margera from the former MTV show, Jackass! Looks like an auto-correct issue there.

For others that might have missed it, Stymie compares Trent to Ken Margerum. I know the name from the NFL but was too young to watch him as a Cardinal. Sounds like high praise, though.

I think he’s saying the plural of Margerum = Margera

ie where are the Margerums of yesteryear

Cmon CI - jump in, you paid more attention to Mme Olivier than I did

Yup

I switched to Latin, for the plural of Margerum. The original was from Francois Villion, (ou est les nieges d'antan?), and first paraphrased by Heller in Catch-22 (Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear).

My bad

Stymie

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - qwerty49 - 12-08-2018

(12-08-2018, 01:20 PM)Embo Wrote: Continuing this thread regarding Kenny Margerum:

Qwerty, BobK, Chicago Card, anyone: Do you recall the 1980 Big Game at Berkeley? There was a throw that does not show up anywhere except as a check mark in the "attempts" column. It was an incompletion. The game was not televised, so there is no replay that would be available. But it was one of the most remarkable athletic feats I've ever seen.

It was the first quarter. Stanford had the ball on or around their own 15 or 20 yard line. I was in the Stanford student section, which back then was on the southwest corner of the stadium, and I was seated around the 10 yard line. Elway's back was to the north end of Memorial Stadium. Margerum lined out wide on the left. Elway was under pressure, ran backwards and spun a bit to his right then spun quickly left. He was now squared up surveying the field while standing in his own end zone. From my vantage point, I saw out of the corner of my eye that Margerum had just kept running down the Cal sideline without stopping and was nearing the south 20 yard line. I actually thought to myself, "Oh, if only Elway could see him .... but that's too far". But Elway saw him and threw - 80 yards. The ball simply had no arc - it was like watching a professional baseball player throw from right field to nail a tagging runner at third. Margerum dove for it and couldn't catch it, and it was out of bounds anyway. But the ENTIRE stadium - both red and blue - let out a big WHOA: Undoubtedly because we all thought - did a human being just do that?

Can't help you on this one because I didn't go to that game.

BUT speaking of throws from RF to 3B the best I ever saw on TV was from Reggie Jackson in the 70's. It was a fly ball to the corner in deep right. The runner at 2nd tagged but stopped dead in his tracks when Reggie uncorked a seed to 3B on the fly. The crowd let loose a big "oooh" at that one. It was either one of the All-star games or maybe the WS against the Mets, was not at home.

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - BobK - 12-08-2018

As all know Elway played RF for Stanford And a season in the Yankee farm system.

I remember the great scouting report: average arm. Hope that scout didn’t go far

Best RF arm in person: the Giants Downtown Ollie Brown. Brother and I went early his first game just to watch warmups. Then there was Roberto Clemente. Wow. And for Class of 75 Carl Furillo

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - BostonCard - 12-08-2018

Speaking of 90 yard throws, looks at this one from Elias in high school.

https://youtu.be/ZQ-rP0zYvsA

Look at the throw at the 1:50 mark. Holy hell.

BC

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - threepointer - 12-08-2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ad0iqsF_XE

The best play I ever saw in person. This clip (at the 0:20 mark is better quality). But it doesn't show Elway scrambling, spinning, and eluding the USC rush for about 2 minutes before the throw. Well...it wasn't 2 minutes, but it seemed like it. Elway ran around and around for about 30 yards before the throw.

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - Red State1 - 12-08-2018

(12-08-2018, 02:30 PM)BobK Wrote: Hey red state the college and pro hurdles are higher than HS. Ken is no longer top 10 at Stanford.
That was Sheets not Ken in the great time for the 4x100 In 1978 with Lofton and Nelson and Banks However your point is dead on Ken was very fast

Well Ken Curl came to Stanford with the fastest 100 but didn’t play Football. He did become a dentist

But a FB player wow I can’t think of who

His name was Spencer Cotton. He was a Jack Elway recruit from the Chicago area. He clocked a 10.31 100 meters in HS. He never looked especially fast on the football field. Somebody with an old press guide could verify this. Looked like Margerum with his long curly hair.

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - JJJ - 12-08-2018

(12-08-2018, 11:01 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:
(12-08-2018, 10:26 AM)cctop Wrote: That's one hell of a throw at 29s. Never seen that one before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=XJCZGc1ZaSw&t=29s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJCZGc1ZaSw

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At 0:29? Possible the most famous throw Elway made during his collegiate career. I had the privilege of seeing that live.

We were getting pounded by U$C. This was right before the half. What the clip doesn't show is Elway was scrambling and had already reversed his field -- he had a patented spin move in the pocket that nearly always bought him more time, and he was extremely mobile. When he released the ball we saw Margerum was open in the end zone by about 10 yards. That's Ronnie Lott the defender #42. Lott later said he left Margerum open because he didn't think anyone could throw it as far as Elway did. The ball probably traveled about 60-65 yards in the air and Lott had plenty of time to take aim at Margerum and just leveled him. But Kenny hung on.

Of course through the foggy lens of time I'm tempted to say the ball went 90 yards through the air and that Margerum jumped over the goalposts to catch it, but you get the picture. People remember Elway's cannon arm but tend to overlook how mobile he was before the Stanford coaches begged him not to be. And Margerum was just an exceptional receiver, fast, great hops, great hands.
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They showed that clip a number of times before the ASSU Sunday Night Flicks. All of Mem Aud erupted in cheers every time.

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - jonnyss - 12-08-2018

i was there, too. i agree the 4 or 5 seconds of eluding the pass rush were amazing. i also remember this as best throw ever. doug flutie's last second throw for bc to beat miami 2nd best.

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - BobK - 12-08-2018

Good one Red State. I certainly remember Cotton but only as a FB player
Sure didn’t remember 10.31. Thanks

RE: Trent Irwin and Mike Mitchell - Mick - 12-08-2018

(12-07-2018, 10:03 PM)Red State1 Wrote: Margerum wasn't that fast. I was there when he ran a couple of 4.7s for NFL scouts.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.71. I'm guessing it's fast enough.

https://www.google.com/search?q=jerry+rice+40+time&rlz=1C1OKWM_enUS783US784&oq=jerry+rice+40+time&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.2268j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

(12-08-2018, 03:36 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: BUT speaking of throws from RF to 3B the best I ever saw on TV was from Reggie Jackson in the 70's. It was a fly ball to the corner in deep right. The runner at 2nd tagged but stopped dead in his tracks when Reggie uncorked a seed to 3B on the fly. The crowd let loose a big "oooh" at that one. It was either one of the All-star games or maybe the WS against the Mets, was not at home.

For me, it was Jack Clark playing RF for the Giants. Clark had a cannon. He led the league in OF double plays four times, assists twice. I saw him play against the Dodgers, and he threw the ball from the right field corner to home plate on the fly...I don't think the ball got 10 feet off the ground. The entire crowd gasped. He froze the runner at third base...might have been Lopes.