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RE: See no evil - Mick - 09-04-2019
(09-04-2019, 05:11 AM)CTcard Wrote:(09-03-2019, 07:03 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:(09-03-2019, 06:36 PM)Langdude Wrote: Can anyone explain to me why two fouls were not called on that play? The unsportsmanlike penalty is a dead ball foul, yes? And there was another foul that was during the play.
-m.
The other foul was defensive holding, which is 5 yards from the line of scrimmage and automatic first down. I'm pretty sure Costello gained 5 yards or more on the play, and of course the personal foul penalty also carries an automatic first down. That made the holding penalty moot, so it was declined.
But defensive holding is 10 yards.
[The rulebook actually says "10 or 15 yards", but I don't know the circumstances it can be 15 and don't recall ever seeing that.]
[Also of some interest, I see that David Shaw was chair of the NCAA Rules Committee for 2019.]
Apropos of nothing, this line of discussion is exactly why I enjoy this board so much...
RE: See no evil - CompSci87 - 09-04-2019
(09-04-2019, 05:11 AM)CTcard Wrote:(09-03-2019, 07:03 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:(09-03-2019, 06:36 PM)Langdude Wrote: Can anyone explain to me why two fouls were not called on that play? The unsportsmanlike penalty is a dead ball foul, yes? And there was another foul that was during the play.
-m.
The other foul was defensive holding, which is 5 yards from the line of scrimmage and automatic first down. I'm pretty sure Costello gained 5 yards or more on the play, and of course the personal foul penalty also carries an automatic first down. That made the holding penalty moot, so it was declined.
But defensive holding is 10 yards.
[The rulebook actually says "10 or 15 yards", but I don't know the circumstances it can be 15 and don't recall ever seeing that.]
[Also of some interest, I see that David Shaw was chair of the NCAA Rules Committee for 2019.]
Ha, so my explanation was clearly not what happened in this case. (Defensive holding is 5 ;yards in the NFL. I didn't realize it was more in college.)
RE: See no evil - qwerty49 - 09-04-2019
What is the oversight mechanism for officiating in this kind of situation, i.e. Big 10 refs in a Pac-12 venue?
Is replay/review under Pac-12 or Big-10 purview?
I kinda want to send that photo somewhere, even though I'm sure the complaint would fall on deaf ears.
RE: See no evil - CrazedZooChimp - 09-04-2019
(09-04-2019, 02:56 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: What is the oversight mechanism for officiating in this kind of situation, i.e. Big 10 refs in a Pac-12 venue?
Is replay/review under Pac-12 or Big-10 purview?
I kinda want to send that photo somewhere, even though I'm sure the complaint would fall on deaf ears.
That's my main question. Which conference is supposed to be responsible for supplementary discipline (if any)? The Pac-12 I assume can't suspend a B1G player, and why would the B1G suspend one of their players?
The clear take away in my mind is that separate officials (and rules?) for different conferences needs to go away and it should be centralized by the NCAA, just like every other sports league.
RE: See no evil - Langdude - 09-04-2019
Now I’m annoyed again about the declined defensive holding call.
(That annoyance is independent but related to my annoyance at the non-targeting call.)
-m.