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RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - acerep - 11-16-2019

JoanBoothe Wrote:Amen!

Baez87 Wrote:GoStanford.com has a new feature called GameDay, which was referenced on the FBC today. It is a welcomed addition to the Cardboard, FBC, and the usual WBB coverage on GoStanford. GameDay provides a comprehensive set of game-day scheduling, player profiles, video clips of key plays, and a host of other team and game references. It is professionally done and clearly a result of considerable labor. Let’s hope that this service can continue throughout the season. Someone is directing serious resources to provide this service.
https://admin.gostanford.com/gameday/women-s-basketball-vs-northern-colorado/wbball/1198/

I find myself wondering if the dreadful attendance for a spectacular team is somehow linked to the drop-off in coach/player involvement with fans as well as the what, for me, is the deterioration in the Stanford women's BB site. This trend to go to a packaged product and adopt it, with its totally non-intuitive way to get information is not a good thing. We used to have a media guide. Then it went to on-line version only, but at least it was there and available. Now we don't even have that, with all the history easily available. Who's making these decisions to drop so much? Or is there something out there that's available that I've not found? If so, it's hard to find on the Stanford info sites, since I search pretty diligently. My solution has been to create my own history stats, update it from what I can unearth, and take it to the game with me. As for "Gameday," I'm not a fan of that.

And for me, another decision that Stanford has made that is a mistake -- not to have printed rosters available at games. Yes, it saves paper, and that's the reason given. You can just get it on your phone, they say. True, but I don't want to look at a tiny screen while I'm trying to watch a game. So I wind up printing out rosters and opponent stats at home before the game and taking them with me. Does this save paper? Nope. It just saves Stanford's paper. Stanford should be working to make the games welcoming, easy to come to an enjoy, rather than taking the easy way out for themselves.

I also still long for the days decades ago when the Fast Break Club was a real thing, with after game meetings after every game, players came out and talked to, with, fans, pre-season events with fans. . . And so on. The team that's doing the FBC website is doing a terrific job, but it can't replace the live interaction we used to have, that made fans feel really involved and encouraged to bring in new fans. I felt a part of things then, don't now, though I still love the team and never miss a game. I suspect that both Oregon and Oregon State have an approach to fans that is more like what we used to have, though I really don't know if that's the case -- they certainly have better attendance. For me, there's just a different atmosphere now than there was in the late 80s, early 90s, and it makes a difference. Those were the days when the stands were often full. Certainly no the case today.

RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - WBB fan - 11-16-2019

(11-16-2019, 03:26 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:
(11-16-2019, 01:03 PM)Griffins78 Wrote:
(11-16-2019, 11:21 AM)JoanBoothe Wrote: I suspect that both Oregon and Oregon State have an approach to fans that is more like what we used to have, though I really don't know if that's the case -- they certainly have better attendance. For me, there's just a different atmosphere now than there was in the late 80s, early 90s, and it makes a difference. Those were the days when the stands were often full. Certainly no the case today
I would like to see us rebuild that kind of following and feeling again too. How do we get started?

Simple. Win a National Championship.

Totally agree. A national championship is unlikely to do it. Think of 1989-90 -- no championship yet, but nearly full or totally full Maples every game, and a real sense of fan excitement, connection.

RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - JTM - 11-16-2019

I'm lamenting the lack of promotional material provided in years past. Game Notes were always interesting. Can't find them anymore. A big poster with the team picture and full schedule was a nice centerpiece of our WBB shrine in the pantry. Haven't seen one this year, just a nice poster of the fabulous freshmen. A handy refrigerator/washer/dryer magnet with the home schedule and presumably "D's" picture. Haven't seen this either. And, as others have mentioned, the discontinued team rosters at the game. I have to remember to hunt for the file and print one at home. What's happened? Has Trump cut the WBB budget too?

RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - chimera - 11-16-2019

(11-16-2019, 11:21 AM)JoanBoothe Wrote:
(11-15-2019, 10:50 AM)Baez87 Wrote: GoStanford.com has a new feature called GameDay, which was referenced on the FBC today. It is a welcomed addition to the Cardboard, FBC, and the usual WBB coverage on GoStanford. GameDay provides a comprehensive set of game-day scheduling, player profiles, video clips of key plays, and a host of other team and game references. It is professionally done and clearly a result of considerable labor. Let’s hope that this service can continue throughout the season. Someone is directing serious resources to provide this service.
https://admin.gostanford.com/gameday/women-s-basketball-vs-northern-colorado/wbball/1198/

I find myself wondering if the dreadful attendance for a spectacular team is somehow linked to the drop-off in coach/player involvement with fans as well as the what, for me, is the deterioration in the Stanford women's BB site. This trend to go to a packaged product and adopt it, with its totally non-intuitive way to get information is not a good thing. We used to have a media guide. Then it went to on-line version only, but at least it was there and available. Now we don't even have that, with all the history easily available. Who's making these decisions to drop so much? Or is there something out there that's available that I've not found? If so, it's hard to find on the Stanford info sites, since I search pretty diligently. My solution has been to create my own history stats, update it from what I can unearth, and take it to the game with me. As for "Gameday," I'm not a fan of that.

And for me, another decision that Stanford has made that is a mistake -- not to have printed rosters available at games. Yes, it saves paper, and that's the reason given. You can just get it on your phone, they say. True, but I don't want to look at a tiny screen while I'm trying to watch a game. So I wind up printing out rosters and opponent stats at home before the game and taking them with me. Does this save paper? Nope. It just saves Stanford's paper. Stanford should be working to make the games welcoming, easy to come to an enjoy, rather than taking the easy way out for themselves.

I also still long for the days decades ago when the Fast Break Club was a real thing, with after game meetings after every game, players came out and talked to, with, fans, pre-season events with fans. . . And so on. The team that's doing the FBC website is doing a terrific job, but it can't replace the live interaction we used to have, that made fans feel really involved and encouraged to bring in new fans. I felt a part of things then, don't now, though I still love the team and never miss a game. I suspect that both Oregon and Oregon State have an approach to fans that is more like what we used to have, though I really don't know if that's the case -- they certainly have better attendance. For me, there's just a different atmosphere now than there was in the late 80s, early 90s, and it makes a difference. Those were the days when the stands were often full. Certainly no the case today.

I've been thinking the same about the lack of fan interaction in recent years. I get why they do much less of it. Time is valuable for the coaches. I do think it has hurt the program. For many years I never left a game right after the final whistle. There was always some event to go to. Now, I chug on out to beat the traffic. I never, ever used to miss a game. Now I occasionally do. Still love the team, still appreciate the players and coaches. But I definitely don't feel part of anything, like I used to in a small way. Perhaps we fans have no right to hope for that feeling. I don't know. I just know that it matters. It's too easy to stay home and watch on TV or just stay home because it is easier to stay home when your emotional investment is not quite what it used to be. Then the game habit gets broken and attendance suffers.

Open Practice early on a weekday. Chalk Talks feel like they have to do them, not that they really want to. Behind the Bench post-games few and far between, and seem to get fewer every year. Hard to hear sometimes and even harder to yell out questions in Maples too. I do miss hearing from the coaches in a more quiet and private setting. That will probably never come back. They probably could do it over in the practice facility maybe, but it costs money to cover a court floor so won't happen. The sad truth is all the fun stuff happened mostly because they needed our money. Now Buck/Cardinal is the money source, and they don't need us, so events for us go bye bye. It is what it is.

This team is fun to watch and deserves to have a great atmosphere at Maples. I hope attendance picks up with better opponents and fewer other sporting events that pull our time and attention.

Edited to add that I barely post on fan boards anymore, whereas I used to post a lot. Just don't feel the urge anymore. It is all of a piece really. I am a fan still, a fairly devoted one I think, but am I as crazed as I used to be when I would plan my vacations around games, never missed a home game for like 10 years or more? Nope.

RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - CompSci87 - 11-16-2019

I wish we'd see the students come out. Did they come to games back in the 90s?

RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - WBB fan - 11-16-2019

(11-16-2019, 06:33 PM)CompSci87 Wrote: I wish we'd see the students come out. Did they come to games back in the 90s?

Maybe a bit more, but students as far as I can recall have never been a major presence at women's basketball. About 10 years or a bit more ago, there was actually a significant program to promote students coming, with a donation made designated for that. But it never seemed to generate much added attendance.

What I do remember from the 1990s (1989-90 onward), is a sense of excitement, involvement, passion among the fans. And people brought their friends, and then the friends brought their friends. And part of the draw was going to the FBC events after the game. Yes, I realize it was extra effort for the coaches, maybe a demand on the players, but it made a difference in how attendance, I think. I understand the financial issue, the effect (negative in my opinion) of merging the cardinal club into the buck cardinal club, etc., but I really have to wonder if the coaches have given any serious thought to why attendance is so poor, and considered the changes that may have led to it.

And it occurs to me that in years to come, this could have a negative effect on recruiting. If you're a top player, academics aside, where would you rather go? To a program that has a great and supportive fan atmosphere, or to a place that has a sort of "who cares" feeling to it.

(11-16-2019, 08:11 PM)JoanBoothe Wrote:
(11-16-2019, 06:33 PM)CompSci87 Wrote: I wish we'd see the students come out. Did they come to games back in the 90s?

Maybe a bit more, but students as far as I can recall have never been a major presence at women's basketball. About 10 years or a bit more ago, there was actually a significant program to promote students coming, with a donation made designated for that. But it never seemed to generate much added attendance.

What I do remember from the 1990s (1989-90 onward), is a sense of excitement, involvement, passion among the fans. And people brought their friends, and then the friends brought their friends. And part of the draw was going to the FBC events after the game. Yes, I realize it was extra effort for the coaches, maybe a demand on the players, but it made a difference in how attendance, I think. I understand the financial issue, the effect (negative in my opinion) of merging the cardinal club into the buck cardinal club, etc., but I really have to wonder if the coaches have given any serious thought to why attendance is so poor, and considered the changes that may have led to it.

And it occurs to me that in years to come, this could have a negative effect on recruiting. If you're a top player, academics aside, where would you rather go? To a program that has a great and supportive fan atmosphere, or to a place that has a sort of "who cares" feeling to it.

Another thought -- here. Maybe we should move all this to a new thread! Doesn't have much to do with the N Colorado game per se. It's a major issue, at least to me.

RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - BobK - 11-16-2019

Joan next time you go to a game stop by the store my the north gate and buy the Stanford basketball yearbook. It’s both men and women

RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - WBB fan - 11-17-2019

(11-16-2019, 11:11 PM)BobK Wrote: Joan next time you go to a game stop by the store my the north gate and buy the Stanford basketball yearbook. It’s both men and women

Thanks. Will do. But the fact that I didn't know about it is another indication of the problems. Someone should have made a point of letting season ticket holders know about it. Also, years ago, the media guide, which was for the women's team only, was distributed to the members of the FBC club. Later, it could be purchased inexpensively. And then it was available on-line. As it morphed, it got more and more elaborate.

And again, we have merging of men's and women's bb, goes along with merger into the buck-cardinal club. Creates a much larger, and presumably, more expensive book. If I'm interested in both teams, I'd rather have two books. But maybe that's just me.

RE: WBB: Stanford 90 Northern Colorado 36 - BobK - 11-17-2019

Lol I posted twice once in the other tread.

Sending all monies to the buck cardinal means coaches didn’t have to fundraise. Instead they could be full time coaches. I think that and is great.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Northern Colorado 7pm Thursday - CompSci87 - 11-17-2019

(11-14-2019, 08:59 PM)CompSci87 Wrote: I was wondering why Jump is out. Thanks. Yeah, I guess Alyssa will be passing the mask on to her. (Well, seriously, she'll get her own made to fit.)

Actually Kate just told us at the chalk talk that Hannah is borrowing Alyssa's mask. :)