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RE: South Korea contact tracing - Goose - 07-22-2020
(07-22-2020, 08:11 PM)chrisk Wrote: Where is the criticism of people under 40, irresponsible employers, and lack of isolation housing for people in crowded housing?Serious question. Is the isolation housing that is currently being provided full? I am referring to housing for people who have tested positive and can't isolate at home either because they don't have one or because their home has inadequate space. I haven't head about this being a issue. I have head about inadequate housing for the homeless, but not restricted to those who have tested positive.
lex24 - lex24 - 07-22-2020
(07-22-2020, 08:11 PM)chrisk Wrote: The Californians who ignored the mask and social distance guidelines over the last 2 months are the ones who "made" the on-line school decision.
The countries that reopened schools earlier than the US are the ones that crushed the virus and are using testing and tracing to keep it under control. The virus has been spreading too fast, particularly in the southern half of the US, for testing and tracing to keep up with it.
Where is the criticism of people under 40, irresponsible employers, and lack of isolation housing for people in crowded housing?
Look at the demographics. Look at where the spread is most prevelant. I realize it’s chic to claim it’s just people partying etc. I think what is probably closer to the truth is that the virus is being spread by economically disadvantaged people living in close quarters in high density areas many of whom have to work outside the home to feed themselves and their family. Which is why, I think, you see such large rates in Los Angeles and other densely populated cities. And I bet you when you look at those cities and break them down, you will see the highest rates in the poorest areas. Multi generational families living together. Bad housing. And poorer health to begin with. Thus more comorbitities.
I’m not blaming these people. Far from it. They are trying to survive. In difficult circumstances when times are good. Impossible circumstances now.
What I am suggesting is that the narrative of this being spread largely by a bunch of privileged people partying and having a good time on beaches and bars is greatly overstated. Because it fits politically.
RE: South Korea contact tracing - M T - 07-23-2020
Whew, for a sec, I thought you were describing NYC.
RE: South Korea contact tracing - Mick - 07-23-2020
(07-22-2020, 06:38 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(07-22-2020, 04:16 PM)M T Wrote: Teejers, since you believe you know what the state of education is (esp. for the last 4 months), for those of us who don't know, can you explain how you know so much? Where are you getting your current data? Do you have data for rural areas, poor areas, upscale areas? Can you point us to it? Is it being published by the California Department of Education?
All I have is the experience of 3 kids (in a pretty good school district, btw) . . . and conversations with numerous parents who relayed their own experiences in the Bay Area (and other parts of hte country). But no, I do not have "data" on how well kids were educated at the tail end of the '19-'20 school year - in "rural areas, poor areas, upscale areas" - especially in comparison to how they were educated before "distance learning." But even without that data, I feel very comfortable and confident in my belief that "distance learning" is a poor substitute for in-person instruction.
But hey, if you want to believe distance learning is at least as good (or better), be my guest. I'm sure you have all kinds of data to support that position.
Perhaps this New York Times article titled "Research Shows Students Falling Months Behind During Virus Disruptions" might shed some light...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/coronavirus-education-lost-learning.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200723&instance_id=20544&nl=the-morning®i_id=93423820&segment_id=34125&te=1&user_id=6764906d2bc27e78448fd7d987d7e725