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RE: Might this be it for Harbs? - Farm93 - 11-08-2020

(11-08-2020, 06:03 AM)winflop Wrote: I think Harbaugh walks away before he gets fired. His goose is cooked after losing to Indiana. I get that the Hoosiers are good but that doesn't matter to the boosters who will be calling for his head on a platter starting today

FWIW - I don't think he will be fired. His contract is up after this season. With COVID19 the interim coach would almost have to be on roster now anyway. I think they will just let him know this is his last season. That way the players and existing staff have a coach, but the university can start the process of looking for a new coach.

Losing to Indiana does not have an equivalent in the Pac-12, but it is simply unacceptable. And to say "Indiana is good this year" only makes it worse since to a Michigan alum there is no player on the Indiana roster that would not have taken a roster spot on Michigan if given a chance. So either Indiana got recruits that should have gone to Michigan if JH was doing his job or Indiana developed players better than JH. Either way, losing to Indiana means there is something very wrong in Ann Arbor.

RE: Might this be it for Harbs? - 82lsju - 11-08-2020

(11-08-2020, 06:46 AM)Farm93 Wrote: FWIW - I don't think he will be fired. His contract is up after this season. With COVID19 the interim coach would almost have to be on roster now anyway. I think they will just let him know this is his last season. That way the players and existing staff have a coach, but the university can start the process of looking for a new coach.

here it says the contract expires after the 2021 season

https://michigan.rivals.com/news/michigan-wolverines-football-jim-harbaugh-talks-contract-extension#:~:text=Harbaugh's%20contract%20is%20set%20to,of%20%248%20million%20in%202020.

and

https://projects.newsday.com/college-football-coaches-salaries-contracts/jim-harbaugh/

RE: Might this be it for Harbs? - Mick - 11-08-2020

(11-08-2020, 06:46 AM)Farm93 Wrote:
(11-08-2020, 06:03 AM)winflop Wrote: I think Harbaugh walks away before he gets fired. His goose is cooked after losing to Indiana. I get that the Hoosiers are good but that doesn't matter to the boosters who will be calling for his head on a platter starting today
FWIW - I don't think he will be fired. His contract is up after this season. With COVID19 the interim coach would almost have to be on roster now anyway. I think they will just let him know this is his last season. That way the players and existing staff have a coach, but the university can start the process of looking for a new coach.

Losing to Indiana does not have an equivalent in the Pac-12, but it is simply unacceptable. And to say "Indiana is good this year" only makes it worse since to a Michigan alum there is no player on the Indiana roster that would not have taken a roster spot on Michigan if given a chance. So either Indiana got recruits that should have gone to Michigan if JH was doing his job or Indiana developed players better than JH. Either way, losing to Indiana means there is something very wrong in Ann Arbor.

I think all that's correct, but the next coach won't achieve as much as Harbaugh did. Arguably, Harbaugh produced similarly to what the sainted Schembechler and Carr did. Schembechler won 79.6% of his games, went 5-12 in bowl games and didn't attend bowls in four seasons. Moeller won 77.5%, went 4-1 in bowl games. Carr won 76% of his games, went 6-7 in bowls. RichRod and Hoke weren't so good. RichRod won 40%, 0-1 in bowls, Hoke was 60% wins with 1-2 in bowls. Harbaugh (though last year) won 72% of his games, and was 1-4 in bowls. So, closer to Schembechler and Carr than RichRod and Hoke. I don't see anyone doing better at UMich.

BTW, speaking of Stanford and Michigan football, a weird side note...I know that Fielding Yost coached Michigan for 26 seasons between 1901 and 1926, then was UM's athletic director until 1940. And he was an innovator and an amazing coach. He invented the position of linebacker, and the hurry-up offense. 77 of his players became head coaches in the NCAA or NFL. But before Michigan, he was at four colleges for one year each: Ohio Wesleyan (7-1-1), Nebraska (8-3), Kansas (10-0) and Stanford (7-2-1). He also coached SJSU for one game, and took their star, Willie Heston, with him to Michigan (Heston played as a law school student and ended up a judge. Yost called him the best player he ever saw, so did Rockne). But WTH? Why couldn't he keep a job? And then why does he stay at Michigan for four decades? It may be that he wasn't paid enough at those schools, because he was the first coach paid as much as a professor, starting that whole ball rolling.

Yost was a devout Christian, who nevertheless had Jewish players on his team -- but hated Catholics and was responsible for excluding Notre Dame from the series (and had a bitter feud with Knute Rockne).

RE: Might this be it for Harbs? - 82lsju - 11-08-2020

(11-08-2020, 08:52 AM)Mick Wrote: I think all that's correct, but the next coach won't achieve as much as Harbaugh did. Arguably, Harbaugh produced similarly to what the sainted Schembechler and Carr did. Schembechler won 79.6% of his games, went 5-12 in bowl games and didn't attend bowls in four seasons. Moeller won 77.5%, went 4-1 in bowl games. Carr won 76% of his games, went 6-7 in bowls. RichRod and Hoke weren't so good. RichRod won 40%, 0-1 in bowls, Hoke was 60% wins with 1-2 in bowls. Harbaugh (though last year) won 72% of his games, and was 1-4 in bowls. So, closer to Schembechler and Carr than RichRod and Hoke. I don't see anyone doing better at UMich.

all true, but he's not done any of the three things dearest to UM fans

- beating tOSU
- going to the Rose Bowl (of course not beating tOSU makes that less likely)
- being in the CFP/winning a national championship (see beating tOSU again)

being 3-3 vs MSU also doesn't generate much fan goodwill