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RE: Question About the Axe - Phogge - 11-24-2020
Handley, Fassel, Mike Nolan
RE: Question About the Axe - BobK - 11-24-2020
While I knew all three became NFL head coaches I sure didn’t know all three on the 1982 team
RE: Question About the Axe - cardcrimson - 11-24-2020
(11-23-2020, 09:52 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(11-23-2020, 08:49 PM)BostonCard Wrote:That's the old school view of the event.(11-23-2020, 07:46 PM)81alum Wrote: I don't know why people keep complaining about that game. It was a beautiful game, with Elway leading that amazing come-from-behind score to win with just seconds left in the game. I've watched that game replayed countless times, and our victory never ceases to bring a smile to my face, right before I turn the TV off with 4 seconds left on the clock.
You should watch to the very end of the game, when Dwight Garner's knee is clearly down with no time left on the clock and the band descends onto the field in celebration.
BC
The new school would note the ref's should have called the game with the illegal forward pass. And that forward pass would definitely be observed on any replay review if it happened today. I think the Pac-12 Nets, or some other Pacific coast based show, covered that ~5 years ago.
All a distant memory now, and if that game had anything to do with Cal AD's kharma or Stanford AD's kharma since 1982 then it is definitely all good IMHO.
How about both illegal forward passes--the first one across the field and forward, the second, the over the shoulder pass that actually travelled a couple of yards forward.
And yes, the mock TD signal was beautiful while it lasted. Horrible call--the ball was rolling around on the ground when Mariet Ford grabbed it and stood up with the ball.
Life isn't fair. I swear to God it isn't.
RE: Question About the Axe - BostonCard - 11-24-2020
(11-23-2020, 09:52 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(11-23-2020, 08:49 PM)BostonCard Wrote:That's the old school view of the event.(11-23-2020, 07:46 PM)81alum Wrote: I don't know why people keep complaining about that game. It was a beautiful game, with Elway leading that amazing come-from-behind score to win with just seconds left in the game. I've watched that game replayed countless times, and our victory never ceases to bring a smile to my face, right before I turn the TV off with 4 seconds left on the clock.
You should watch to the very end of the game, when Dwight Garner's knee is clearly down with no time left on the clock and the band descends onto the field in celebration.
BC
The new school would note the ref's should have called the game with the illegal forward pass. And that forward pass would definitely be observed on any replay review if it happened today. I think the Pac-12 Nets, or some other Pacific coast based show, covered that ~5 years ago.
All a distant memory now, and if that game had anything to do with Cal AD's kharma or Stanford AD's kharma since 1982 then it is definitely all good IMHO.
I think they would have thrown a flag for the illegal forward pass, but I don't think that blows the play dead. On the other hand, at the moment the knee hit the ground, the game would have been over.
BC
RE: Question About the Axe - Leftcoast - 11-24-2020
I want to live in 81Alum's world where this game ends with 4 seconds left.
That's a better world and probably one where we clamped down on climate change early, Corona Virus is a nickname for a next day hangover after drinking Mexican beer, Firefly was never canceled, The Apprentice WAS canceled after season one and Donald Trump learned a life-long lesson after failing to get a recount of its Nielsen Ratings.
In this glorious new world how did Elway and Stanford do at the All-American Bowl?
RE: Question About the Axe - French Rage - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 11:54 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: And yes, the mock TD signal was beautiful while it lasted. Horrible call--the ball was rolling around on the ground when Mariet Ford grabbed it and stood up with the ball.
So Mariet clearly learned he could get away with illegal things.
RE: Question About the Axe - cctop - 11-24-2020
Honestly The Play doesn't bother me.
Every time I see the clip, it just reminds me that Cal still hasn't gone to a Rose Bowl and has nothing better to celebrate than something that happened 38 years ago. :-)
RE: Question About the Axe - JJJ - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 11:54 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:I thought there was a long thread about the mock TD signal in the past, but I cannot seem to find it. We most definitely used it at Maples for hoops games (and it was also in Gaieties the following year, iirc).(11-23-2020, 09:52 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(11-23-2020, 08:49 PM)BostonCard Wrote:That's the old school view of the event.(11-23-2020, 07:46 PM)81alum Wrote: I don't know why people keep complaining about that game. It was a beautiful game, with Elway leading that amazing come-from-behind score to win with just seconds left in the game. I've watched that game replayed countless times, and our victory never ceases to bring a smile to my face, right before I turn the TV off with 4 seconds left on the clock.
You should watch to the very end of the game, when Dwight Garner's knee is clearly down with no time left on the clock and the band descends onto the field in celebration.
BC
The new school would note the ref's should have called the game with the illegal forward pass. And that forward pass would definitely be observed on any replay review if it happened today. I think the Pac-12 Nets, or some other Pacific coast based show, covered that ~5 years ago.
All a distant memory now, and if that game had anything to do with Cal AD's kharma or Stanford AD's kharma since 1982 then it is definitely all good IMHO.
How about both illegal forward passes--the first one across the field and forward, the second, the over the shoulder pass that actually travelled a couple of yards forward.
And yes, the mock TD signal was beautiful while it lasted. Horrible call--the ball was rolling around on the ground when Mariet Ford grabbed it and stood up with the ball.
Life isn't fair. I swear to God it isn't.
RE: Question About the Axe - teejers1 - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 04:25 PM)JJJ Wrote: I thought there was a long thread about the mock TD signal in the past, but I cannot seem to find it. We most definitely used it at Maples for hoops games (and it was also in Gaieties the following year, iirc).
Pretty sure there was, as I have relayed the mock TD tradition here before . . . I'm 90% sure. But it could have been on TOS - can't always keep that clear and while my posts on the two sites often overlap, there is nothing close to 1:1 correspondence.
RE: Question About the Axe - winflop - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 04:21 PM)cctop Wrote: Honestly The Play doesn't bother me.
Every time I see the clip, it just reminds me that Cal still hasn't gone to a Rose Bowl and has nothing better to celebrate than something that happened 38 years ago. :-)
The CSU-East Bay 59ers
RE: Question About the Axe - Treebound - 11-24-2020
Coach Fred Von Appen - nice work Phogge and Bob!
I think the mock TD thread was on TOS. I too, remember using that sign in the uncrowded student section of Maples way too many times over the years. I think it was in the mid-90's, at a cal game, that a younger alum asked why a bunch of us were using a TD signal after a poor call. Recounting the story, and his look of exasperation: "You were at that Big Game?!!!" What a great freshman weekend that was, including taking over SF the night before with happy throngs parading from Nob Hill to Aquatic Park.
RE: Question About the Axe - Phogge - 11-25-2020
My experience: It was the last year of my contract with Andy Geiger and Cavalli/Rose. Long form commercial and promotion football film (16mm). Used for drumming up ticket sales, recruiting, etc. Al Michaels narrating, plenty of 100fps and plenty of color a la NFL Films (currently in my 48th year). I remember being in the EZ and Oski giving me crap because I was wearing a Stanford hoodie. F*** him (or her). I turned to my assistant and said something about calling time with 8 or 9 seconds left. So I followed Harmon and then shot the kick going over. We sped to the bench and I stood in front of Wiggin expecting to back up with him for the handshake. I never saw The Play. We surged onto the field and then for some shocking reason we surged back to the sideline. By the time we froze the play was over and I had to ask some Cal people what had happened. Nobody had the full story. Upstairs my father shot the “Top” position at 32 FPS (slightly slowed down). We dropped the exposed at a processing lab on Monday and got ready to make some tweaks to our project because we were on deadline. Bob Rose was moving along to the USFL so I think Steve Racyenski called me and stated that we should bury the Cal footage. To this day it sits in my garage, negative film never printed or transferred. I am sure that I could go frame to frame and finally solve the knee on the ground riddle. But it will never happen because The question is better than the solution.
RE: Question About the Axe - Treebound - 11-25-2020
Wow TC,
That's quite a story you are tempting us all with - thank YOU! I'm assuming you finished off the promotional for Gary C and that it still exits somewhere (sans your Big Game footage)? That would be great to see.
As for Al Michaels, I remember him as the sportscaster for the local Sacramento station when I was a kid. I think I have an autograph of his from some local Auburn Father/Son sports night that he hosted. Seemed like a great guy who clearly has done quite well climbing that professional ladder. Happy Thanksgiving all!
RE: Question About the Axe - Mick - 11-25-2020
(11-25-2020, 08:50 AM)Phogge Wrote: My experience: It was the last year of my contract with Andy Geiger and Cavalli/Rose. Long form commercial and promotion football film (16mm). Used for drumming up ticket sales, recruiting, etc. Al Michaels narrating, plenty of 100fps and plenty of color a la NFL Films (currently in my 48th year). I remember being in the EZ and Oski giving me crap because I was wearing a Stanford hoodie. F*** him (or her). I turned to my assistant and said something about calling time with 8 or 9 seconds left. So I followed Harmon and then shot the kick going over. We sped to the bench and I stood in front of Wiggin expecting to back up with him for the handshake. I never saw The Play. We surged onto the field and then for some shocking reason we surged back to the sideline. By the time we froze the play was over and I had to ask some Cal people what had happened. Nobody had the full story. Upstairs my father shot the “Top” position at 32 FPS (slightly slowed down). We dropped the exposed at a processing lab on Monday and got ready to make some tweaks to our project because we were on deadline. Bob Rose was moving along to the USFL so I think Steve Racyenski called me and stated that we should bury the Cal footage. To this day it sits in my garage, negative film never printed or transferred. I am sure that I could go frame to frame and finally solve the knee on the ground riddle. But it will never happen because The question is better than the solution.
Phogge, I will give you (checks my wallet) US$43.00, hand-delivered, if you do the frame-by-frame analysis...
RE: Question About the Axe - newguy - 11-25-2020
speaking of The Play, i clearly remember an undoctored photo in The Daily several months later showing a referee waving the play dead.
now if only he had blown the whistle as well........
RE: Question About the Axe - teejers1 - 11-25-2020
(11-25-2020, 01:35 PM)newguy Wrote: speaking of The Play, i clearly remember an undoctored photo in The Daily several months later showing a referee waving the play dead.
now if only he had blown the whistle as well........
I remember the same photo.
BTW, no way the refs were going to reverse that call after their little pow-wow. They were (rightfully) concerned about getting out of there alive.
RE: Question About the Axe - cardcrimson - 11-25-2020
(11-25-2020, 02:00 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(11-25-2020, 01:35 PM)newguy Wrote: speaking of The Play, i clearly remember an undoctored photo in The Daily several months later showing a referee waving the play dead.
now if only he had blown the whistle as well........
I remember the same photo.
BTW, no way the refs were going to reverse that call after their little pow-wow. They were (rightfully) concerned about getting out of there alive.
Me as well. I think there was a whistle, too. Both benches wandered onto the field while the play was allegedly still happening, think the Cal band may have done the same in the opposite end zone, too.
RE: Question About the Axe - Spiny_Norman - 11-25-2020
(11-25-2020, 01:35 PM)newguy Wrote: speaking of The Play, i clearly remember an undoctored photo in The Daily several months later showing a referee waving the play dead.
now if only he had blown the whistle as well........
What about the very doctored photo in the Fake Daily Cal?
https://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/11/16/its-just-not-fair-an-oral-history-of-the-play-and-the-1982-fake-daily-cal/
https://www.espn.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/13078/stanford-journalists-rewrote-cal-history
RE: Question About the Axe - Farm93 - 11-26-2020
(11-24-2020, 12:22 PM)BostonCard Wrote:BC - The game would have been over with the flag. The team with the ball committed the infraction and there was no time on the clock. So the ball would be placed relative to the infraction selected by Stanford and the game would be over.(11-23-2020, 09:52 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(11-23-2020, 08:49 PM)BostonCard Wrote:That's the old school view of the event.(11-23-2020, 07:46 PM)81alum Wrote: I don't know why people keep complaining about that game. It was a beautiful game, with Elway leading that amazing come-from-behind score to win with just seconds left in the game. I've watched that game replayed countless times, and our victory never ceases to bring a smile to my face, right before I turn the TV off with 4 seconds left on the clock.
You should watch to the very end of the game, when Dwight Garner's knee is clearly down with no time left on the clock and the band descends onto the field in celebration.
BC
The new school would note the ref's should have called the game with the illegal forward pass. And that forward pass would definitely be observed on any replay review if it happened today. I think the Pac-12 Nets, or some other Pacific coast based show, covered that ~5 years ago.
All a distant memory now, and if that game had anything to do with Cal AD's kharma or Stanford AD's kharma since 1982 then it is definitely all good IMHO.
I think they would have thrown a flag for the illegal forward pass, but I don't think that blows the play dead. On the other hand, at the moment the knee hit the ground, the game would have been over.
BC
So even if they never determined if the knee hit the ground (likely given the TV resolution), in today's world that game would be over by the review. Not because of the knee, but because of the infractions. FWIW - At least a few games have ended with similar end of game TD seemingly scored thanks to multiple laterals, but at least one was deemed an illegal forward pass that therefore ended the game.
RE: Question About the Axe - CompSci87 - 11-26-2020
I was going to say that too, but then I thought BC meant the ref wouldn't blow the whistle while throwing the flag, so the play would continue. Of course then, as you said, after the review (if needed) and after Stanford accepted the penalty, the TD would be nullified and the game would be over.