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RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - Mick - 11-30-2020

(11-28-2020, 06:33 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Just my uninformed opinion, but it "feels" to me like he needs to prove and grow more. He's got talent, but by my unofficial count, he's started 9 games since High School. To be a top round QB pick, a team would need to see him as their future, which seems like a tall order after 9 college starts and 13 TD passes total...? And the team's record over those 9 games can't help either. I think both he and Stanford would be better off if he played another year on the farm. Just my two cents.

Maybe he should change his name to James Wiseman...

RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - gailtate - 12-01-2020

(11-28-2020, 05:48 PM)donkey687 Wrote: Mills has a strong arm and is pretty accurate, and appears to better than Costello but how good is he? I am not QB expert and we don't have a lot of data points and may not get many more. The reason I ask is speculating whether will he come back next year. If he is viewed as an early round draft pick, I assume he will leave, but if NFL scouts have questions and it isn't clear that he is an early round pick, will he return?

On offense, the big questions are whether Sarell, Dalman, Wedington and Mills come back. Mills is most important out of that group, but we would certainly welcome all back.

On defense, I am encouraged by our young CBs. That should be the strength of our team next year. Booker is the key guy that we need to return. I assume that the 5th year guys Robinson, Fox, Antoine and Schaffer won't return. Hopefully Gabe Reid will return for a fifth year.

Nine starts. Not even a season. I'm skeptical for other reasons, though. He looks like the antithesis of the post-modern NFL QB. With proper tutelage, maybe. He'll never get it where he is today. And I am sure he's in regular contact with KJ.

lex24 - lex24 - 12-01-2020

(12-01-2020, 01:03 PM)gailtate Wrote:
(11-28-2020, 05:48 PM)donkey687 Wrote: Mills has a strong arm and is pretty accurate, and appears to better than Costello but how good is he? I am not QB expert and we don't have a lot of data points and may not get many more. The reason I ask is speculating whether will he come back next year. If he is viewed as an early round draft pick, I assume he will leave, but if NFL scouts have questions and it isn't clear that he is an early round pick, will he return?

On offense, the big questions are whether Sarell, Dalman, Wedington and Mills come back. Mills is most important out of that group, but we would certainly welcome all back.

On defense, I am encouraged by our young CBs. That should be the strength of our team next year. Booker is the key guy that we need to return. I assume that the 5th year guys Robinson, Fox, Antoine and Schaffer won't return. Hopefully Gabe Reid will return for a fifth year.

Nine starts. Not even a season. I'm skeptical for other reasons, though. He looks like the antithesis of the post-modern NFL QB. With proper tutelage, maybe. He'll never get it where he is today. And I am sure he's in regular contact with KJ.

Mills will play in the NFL if he stays healthy. Big if. He has the arm skills, which still is no 1. He’s not immobile. You are right that he’s only played a few games. There is no substitute for game reps. Which is (along with his injuries) why he would not, imo, be above a last day draft pick if he comes out.

There are a lot of bad QB’s in the NFL. The Niners have one mediocre QB (JG) a bad backup in Mullens. And if Beathard cant beat him out, he’s very bad. So if he does come out and falls to late pick or FA, I hope he ends up at SF. He could thrive with Shanahan.

RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 12-01-2020

(12-01-2020, 01:11 PM)lex24 Wrote: Mills will play in the NFL if he stays healthy. Big if. He has the arm skills, which still is no 1. He’s not immobile. You are right that he’s only played a few games. There is no substitute for game reps. Which is (along with his injuries) why he would not, imo, be above a last day draft pick if he comes out.

There are a lot of bad QB’s in the NFL. The Niners have one mediocre QB (JG) a bad backup in Mullens. And if Beathard cant beat him out, he’s very bad. So if he does come out and falls to late pick of FA, I hope he ends up at SF. He could thrive with Shanahan.

I'm hoping for a different Stanford QB to suit up for the 49ers. . . .I think we'd have to wait till 2022 for that, though.

RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - old spanish trail - 12-01-2020

There are 15-20 names of potential QB's, but I haven't seen Mills' name. I think he returns. Good OL, good receivers (except TE), ok rb's. He will get a better chance next year to showcase and, given limited play thus far, experience should help.

RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - Mick - 12-08-2020

(12-01-2020, 04:49 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: There are 15-20 names of potential QB's, but I haven't seen Mills' name. I think he returns. Good OL, good receivers (except TE), ok rb's. He will get a better chance next year to showcase and, given limited play thus far, experience should help.

Costello #12, Mills #15 on this list:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021QB.php

RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - Spiny_Norman - 12-08-2020

(12-08-2020, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-01-2020, 04:49 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: There are 15-20 names of potential QB's, but I haven't seen Mills' name. I think he returns. Good OL, good receivers (except TE), ok rb's. He will get a better chance next year to showcase and, given limited play thus far, experience should help.

Costello #12, Mills #15 on this list:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021QB.php

As a point of comparison, this would have placed Costello in about the 7th round in 2020. Mills would have been undrafted.

lex24 - lex24 - 12-08-2020

(12-08-2020, 06:01 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-01-2020, 04:49 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: There are 15-20 names of potential QB's, but I haven't seen Mills' name. I think he returns. Good OL, good receivers (except TE), ok rb's. He will get a better chance next year to showcase and, given limited play thus far, experience should help.

Costello #12, Mills #15 on this list:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021QB.php

As a point of comparison, this would have placed Costello in about the 7th round in 2020. Mills would have been undrafted.

Mills is the far superior QB. Health is an issue. But there is no comparison in their arm skills and frankly in my opinion in their pocket presence. I think Mills. should stick around another year get through a full year and show what he really can do. If he does that my guess is he be a high draft pick in 2022

RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 12-08-2020

(12-08-2020, 07:35 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 06:01 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-01-2020, 04:49 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: There are 15-20 names of potential QB's, but I haven't seen Mills' name. I think he returns. Good OL, good receivers (except TE), ok rb's. He will get a better chance next year to showcase and, given limited play thus far, experience should help.

Costello #12, Mills #15 on this list:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021QB.php

As a point of comparison, this would have placed Costello in about the 7th round in 2020. Mills would have been undrafted.

Mills is the far superior QB. Health is an issue. But there is no comparison in their arm skills and frankly in my opinion in their pocket presence. I think Mills. should stick around another year get through a full year and show what he really can do. If he does that my guess is he be a high draft pick in 2022

Assuming somebody can help with his development. Just who would that be?

lex24 - lex24 - 12-08-2020

(12-08-2020, 08:06 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 07:35 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 06:01 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-01-2020, 04:49 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: There are 15-20 names of potential QB's, but I haven't seen Mills' name. I think he returns. Good OL, good receivers (except TE), ok rb's. He will get a better chance next year to showcase and, given limited play thus far, experience should help.

Costello #12, Mills #15 on this list:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021QB.php

As a point of comparison, this would have placed Costello in about the 7th round in 2020. Mills would have been undrafted.

Mills is the far superior QB. Health is an issue. But there is no comparison in their arm skills and frankly in my opinion in their pocket presence. I think Mills. should stick around another year get through a full year and show what he really can do. If he does that my guess is he be a high draft pick in 2022

Assuming somebody can help with his development. Just who would that be?

Certainly not Leach. If he stays he’ll develop just fine under Shaw Pritchard etc.

RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 12-08-2020

(12-08-2020, 08:09 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:06 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 07:35 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 06:01 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote: Costello #12, Mills #15 on this list:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021QB.php

As a point of comparison, this would have placed Costello in about the 7th round in 2020. Mills would have been undrafted.

Mills is the far superior QB. Health is an issue. But there is no comparison in their arm skills and frankly in my opinion in their pocket presence. I think Mills. should stick around another year get through a full year and show what he really can do. If he does that my guess is he be a high draft pick in 2022

Assuming somebody can help with his development. Just who would that be?

Certainly not Leach. If he stays he’ll develop just fine under Shaw Pritchard etc.

Example please.

lex24 - lex24 - 12-08-2020

(12-08-2020, 08:38 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:09 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:06 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 07:35 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 06:01 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: As a point of comparison, this would have placed Costello in about the 7th round in 2020. Mills would have been undrafted.

Mills is the far superior QB. Health is an issue. But there is no comparison in their arm skills and frankly in my opinion in their pocket presence. I think Mills. should stick around another year get through a full year and show what he really can do. If he does that my guess is he be a high draft pick in 2022

Assuming somebody can help with his development. Just who would that be?

Certainly not Leach. If he stays he’ll develop just fine under Shaw Pritchard etc.

Example please.

Hogan. Costello until he got hurt. Mills is improving. Beginning to show what was hoped. If he stays, and is healthy, he will be the best QB in the Pac-12 next year.

Shaw and Pritchard’s biggest failure was Burns. I remember the one loyal follower he had. Knew a thing or two about Quarterbacks. Felt Burns got screwed when they went to Chryst for the weaker half of the season. And that Burns was better than Chryst. He was probably right. Chryst had horrible mechanics. Which one wouldn't expect given his lineage.

RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - pefloresjr - 12-09-2020

Each year, I was surprised and pleased with the improvement of Hogan at qb. He didn't have amazing physical skills and most players show some early improvement then tend to plateau. Hogan, under the coaching of Shaw and his staff, just got better and better and better until he was a great college quarterback. He did have some setbacks in his progress the year he was dealing with the illness and death of his dad, but went right back to getting better after that. One of my favorite players.

Cheers,
Pete F.

RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - Phogge - 12-09-2020

Hogan was an athlete who just happened to play QB. Right place at the right time. Also one of my favorites. But he also had a great cast to work with.

RE: lex24 - JohnR34231 - 12-09-2020

(12-08-2020, 09:29 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:38 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:09 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:06 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 07:35 PM)lex24 Wrote: Mills is the far superior QB. Health is an issue. But there is no comparison in their arm skills and frankly in my opinion in their pocket presence. I think Mills. should stick around another year get through a full year and show what he really can do. If he does that my guess is he be a high draft pick in 2022

Assuming somebody can help with his development. Just who would that be?

Certainly not Leach. If he stays he’ll develop just fine under Shaw Pritchard etc.

Example please.

Hogan. Costello until he got hurt. Mills is improving. Beginning to show what was hoped. If he stays, and is healthy, he will be the best QB in the Pac-12 next year.

Shaw and Pritchard’s biggest failure was Burns. I remember the one loyal follower he had. Knew a thing or two about Quarterbacks. Felt Burns got screwed when they went to Chryst for the weaker half of the season. And that Burns was better than Chryst. He was probably right. Chryst had horrible mechanics. Which one wouldn't expect given his lineage.

Burns went three (out of four) games where Stanford did not score one offensive touchdown outside of garbage time. Hard not to replace a QB when your offense is doing that poorly.

RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 12-09-2020

(12-08-2020, 09:29 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:38 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:09 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:06 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 07:35 PM)lex24 Wrote: Mills is the far superior QB. Health is an issue. But there is no comparison in their arm skills and frankly in my opinion in their pocket presence. I think Mills. should stick around another year get through a full year and show what he really can do. If he does that my guess is he be a high draft pick in 2022

Assuming somebody can help with his development. Just who would that be?

Certainly not Leach. If he stays he’ll develop just fine under Shaw Pritchard etc.

Example please.

Hogan. Costello until he got hurt. Mills is improving. Beginning to show what was hoped. If he stays, and is healthy, he will be the best QB in the Pac-12 next year.

Shaw and Pritchard’s biggest failure was Burns. I remember the one loyal follower he had. Knew a thing or two about Quarterbacks. Felt Burns got screwed when they went to Chryst for the weaker half of the season. And that Burns was better than Chryst. He was probably right. Chryst had horrible mechanics. Which one wouldn't expect given his lineage.

Hogan did improve, but last I checked, he's not made a regular NFL squad. He was recently added to a practice squad somewhere, but kind of sad that for a university with such a rich tradition at QB, we've put no one into the NFL since Luck. . . .

lex24 - lex24 - 12-09-2020

(12-09-2020, 07:40 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 09:29 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:38 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:09 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:06 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Assuming somebody can help with his development. Just who would that be?

Certainly not Leach. If he stays he’ll develop just fine under Shaw Pritchard etc.

Example please.

Hogan. Costello until he got hurt. Mills is improving. Beginning to show what was hoped. If he stays, and is healthy, he will be the best QB in the Pac-12 next year.

Shaw and Pritchard’s biggest failure was Burns. I remember the one loyal follower he had. Knew a thing or two about Quarterbacks. Felt Burns got screwed when they went to Chryst for the weaker half of the season. And that Burns was better than Chryst. He was probably right. Chryst had horrible mechanics. Which one wouldn't expect given his lineage.

Hogan did improve, but last I checked, he's not made a regular NFL squad. He was recently added to a practice squad somewhere, but kind of sad that for a university with such a rich tradition at QB, we've put no one into the NFL since Luck. . . .

Hogan has made a squad. Played a few games. Even started once or twice at Cleveland. Costello may get a shot. Mills will if he can stay healthy. If that holds 3 of the 5 starting QBs will get some NFL experience. Leach is considered as a guru. Go look at his record of getting QBs to the NFL. Rather poor.

RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - CTcard - 12-09-2020

(12-08-2020, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote: Costello #12, Mills #15 on this list:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021QB.php

Those folks seem particularly bad at doing any homework, though perhaps they see no reason to care about anyone listed beyond #10.

On Costello they state, "He has continued to struggle since returning to the lineup." He has continued to struggle because he hasn't appeared in a game. The longer writeup from the summer has a mix of some odd things and some that seems roughly correct.
I don't see anything particularly egregious on the Mills write up, but there isn't much there.

On the draft, it is hard to imagine that the NFL would be excited about a guy who couldn't keep his college job against a three star true frosh on a 2-6 team. But maybe the NFL just doesn't think much of Leach's evaluative abilities - and weird things do happen in the draft.

Mills certainly won't get drafted based upon what he has actually done in college. However, he was a very highly rated high school player, so probably on some radars. While not the NBA, the NFL does draft more on what they think a player can be versus what they have done so far which could play out in Mills' favour. On the other hand, NFL execs are also terrified of QB injuries so I could see them wary of Mills' history.
I can imagine a team taking a late round flyer on Mills. I have no idea if signing up for that is something he would be interested in versus other options.

RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 12-09-2020

(12-09-2020, 10:15 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-09-2020, 07:40 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 09:29 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:38 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-08-2020, 08:09 PM)lex24 Wrote: Certainly not Leach. If he stays he’ll develop just fine under Shaw Pritchard etc.

Example please.

Hogan. Costello until he got hurt. Mills is improving. Beginning to show what was hoped. If he stays, and is healthy, he will be the best QB in the Pac-12 next year.

Shaw and Pritchard’s biggest failure was Burns. I remember the one loyal follower he had. Knew a thing or two about Quarterbacks. Felt Burns got screwed when they went to Chryst for the weaker half of the season. And that Burns was better than Chryst. He was probably right. Chryst had horrible mechanics. Which one wouldn't expect given his lineage.

Hogan did improve, but last I checked, he's not made a regular NFL squad. He was recently added to a practice squad somewhere, but kind of sad that for a university with such a rich tradition at QB, we've put no one into the NFL since Luck. . . .

Hogan has made a squad. Played a few games. Even started once or twice at Cleveland. Costello may get a shot. Mills will if he can stay healthy. If that holds 3 of the 5 starting QBs will get some NFL experience. Leach is considered as a guru. Go look at his record of getting QBs to the NFL. Rather poor.

Interesting table:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/players/_/position/qb

Though I didn't dig too deeply, NC State has four QBs in the NFL; Missouri three; lots of teams with two. I'm sure I missed a lot too.

Stanford? Goose egg. Aside from the "40 year decision", what incentive is there for a QB to come to Stanford if they want to get to the next level?

RE: Has Mills proven enough to NFL? - Papa John - 12-09-2020

Interesting list of QB alma maters, but Joe Burrow is missing so I'm not sure I trust it. Kevin Hogan is on the Bengals practice squad but is poised to move up to backup given the injury to Burrow and possible unavailability of Brandon Allen.

As far as incentives go, I think that Stanford's main selling point is the 40-year decision. So why push that aside?