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RE: Wilson is coming back - 81alum - 02-14-2022

(02-13-2022, 10:13 PM)bl82 Wrote:  
(02-13-2022, 10:03 PM)81alum Wrote:  
(02-13-2022, 04:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  I think Wilson is the ultimate team player, the one who makes sure everyone else is operating at their peak performance. I would be legitimately curious as to how everyone else on the team does statistically when Wilson is in the game versus when they are not playing alongside her.

BC
Great question.  Where can we find the season +/- for college WBB players?

Season +/- stats are here (probably need to adjust them to a per minute basis to make them more meaningful):
http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=380942
Thank you!

For the season, here they are:
341 Lexie
324 Lacie
302 Brink
278 Wilson
260 Jones
228 Jump
130 Belibi

No one else close

So how does this get adjusted for minutes played?  Simple division?  For some reason I thought +/- already accounted for minutes played. 
Even so, these raw totals are illuminating.  If we were to pick an MVP for the season it would be Lexie at this point, since she has done more to influence games in a positive direction than anyone else.

And what is EFF?  Is that the one that is already adjusted?

EFF
Brink 474
Jones 354
Lexie 276
Belibi 241
Jump 181
Wilson 159
Iriafan 105

RE: Wilson is coming back - TheWildJacko - 02-14-2022

Copied from the Analytics Key sidebar on the Analytics tab on the Shanford-CU stats page:

“EFF: Efficiency Stat as calculated by Manley's formula: PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK - Missed Shots - TO”

Link re-copied for convenience:

http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=380942

That tab also shows the +/- for the game as opposed to just the season:

Anna 23
Lexie 22
Jones 21
Brink 13
Lacie 12
Jump 11
Prechtel 5

Everyone else is negative, including, surprisingly, Belibi (-4).

RE: Wilson is coming back - BillBradley - 02-14-2022

(02-14-2022, 01:28 PM)81alum Wrote:  
(02-13-2022, 10:13 PM)bl82 Wrote:  
(02-13-2022, 10:03 PM)81alum Wrote:  
(02-13-2022, 04:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  I think Wilson is the ultimate team player, the one who makes sure everyone else is operating at their peak performance. I would be legitimately curious as to how everyone else on the team does statistically when Wilson is in the game versus when they are not playing alongside her.

BC
Great question.  Where can we find the season +/- for college WBB players?

Season +/- stats are here (probably need to adjust them to a per minute basis to make them more meaningful):
http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=380942
Thank you!

For the season, here they are:
341 Lexie
324 Lacie
302 Brink
278 Wilson
260 Jones
228 Jump
130 Belibi

No one else close

So how does this get adjusted for minutes played?  Simple division?  For some reason I thought +/- already accounted for minutes played. 
Even so, these raw totals are illuminating.  If we were to pick an MVP for the season it would be Lexie at this point, since she has done more to influence games in a positive direction than anyone else.

And what is EFF?  Is that the one that is already adjusted?

EFF
Brink 474
Jones 354
Lexie 276
Belibi 241
Jump 181
Wilson 159
Iriafan 105
The +/- stats shows the value of the Hulls. Incredible defenders and rebounders plus great shooters. Those talents way overcome the errant couple of turnovers. Given that we all know what they do for us, this stat shouldn't be that surprising IMO. It is a great reflection of how they lift the players around them. Whenever Lexie a/or Lacie are out of the game and the other team is going on a run, I find myself screaming "get them back in there!". I think Tara feels it too as she often will listen to me (haha).  It also goes to show how valuable Lacie is, regardless of the "point guard debate". She needs to be on the floor in some capacity, and if that means she gets to bring the ball up a lot and sometimes it isn't as silky smooth as we want it, then so be it. 

RE: your question about "per minute adjustment", the +/- stats reflect the teams overall scoring performance while the player is on the court. Example: The team has outplayed the opponent by a total scoring margin of 341 points while Lexie has been on the court. Given that so many minutes are played with different combinations of players and against other combinations of players, I don't think this particular stat can be fairly adjusted in any way.

RE: Wilson is coming back - ca245 - 02-14-2022

I expressed this sentiment as a side comment on another thread, but since this is an Anna Wilson thread, I will repeat it here: To me, she is to this WBB team what Megan McClure was to the WVB teams of Plummer-Gray-Hentz-Fitzmorris. Anna is not the one with the big stats, but she keeps the team steady, on an even keel.

RE: Wilson is coming back - M T - 02-14-2022

In 2020-2021, Anna averaged 7.9 pts/40 minutes (45.2% on threes), 3.49 A/40min, 1.23 TO/40min, 2.52 Stl/40min.
This year she is averaging 7.1 pts/40 minutes (26% on threes), 4.57 A/40min, 1.55 TO/40min, 2.36 Stl/40min

Lacie is averaging 8.2/40 minutes (48% on threes),4.46 A/40min, 2.90 TO/40min, 2.55 Stl/40 min.

1.1 points vs 1.16 net-TO seems a wash.

I'm glad we have them both!

RE: Wilson is coming back - BostonCard - 02-14-2022

While very interesting, +/- stats don’t really get at what I am asking, because which other players a player plays with will influence their +/-.  What I am asking here is to what extent measures of each of Anna Wilson’s teammates change when she is on the court.  I don’t think that can be calculated without knowing the stats with every possible lineup, but I think such an analysis would show Wilson’s value when she is on the court.

BC

RE: Wilson is coming back - crackpot - 02-15-2022

(02-14-2022, 09:45 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  While very interesting, +/- stats don’t really get at what I am asking, because which other players a player plays with will influence their +/-.  What I am asking here is to what extent measures of each of Anna Wilson’s teammates change when she is on the court.  I don’t think that can be calculated without knowing the stats with every possible lineup, but I think such an analysis would show Wilson’s value when she is on the court.

BC

Yeah. I'm sure someone (perhaps the analytics person on staff?) has figured this out...or should have.

I suspect there are certain things most of us know but cannot prove. My list: 

RE: Wilson is coming back - 81alum - 02-15-2022

(02-15-2022, 11:32 AM)crackpot Wrote:  
(02-14-2022, 09:45 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  While very interesting, +/- stats don’t really get at what I am asking, because which other players a player plays with will influence their +/-.  What I am asking here is to what extent measures of each of Anna Wilson’s teammates change when she is on the court.  I don’t think that can be calculated without knowing the stats with every possible lineup, but I think such an analysis would show Wilson’s value when she is on the court.

BC

Yeah. I'm sure someone (perhaps the analytics person on staff?) has figured this out...or should have.

I suspect there are certain things most of us know but cannot prove. My list: 
  • Anna makes everyone better
  • The Hulls make do all of the things that keep us in games that don't show up in the stats
  • Fran does better when she's out there with Cam
  • Ashten does better in really, really tense situations than she does when the stakes are low
Crackpot has captured my sentiments exactly.