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RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - winflop - 03-04-2022

(03-03-2022, 10:40 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:  And, an awful coach...for the record, though apparently a very good guy.

Sorry can't go that far. He's a very good recruiter, but his player development and X's and O's aren't working, at least here.

Keep in mind he took UAB from 10 wins to the dance in 4 seasons. So he had to be doing a few things right there.

I hope he succeeds elsewhere, but it's not working here and he needs to go.

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - gailtate - 03-04-2022

How much longer will Muir tolerate the failing Haase program (and let's face facts, it's a flop-ass failure)?  Maybe the question is, how long will Muir's puppeteers LET him tolerate it?

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - fullmetal - 03-04-2022

Kind of shocking for Muir, a basketball guy, to have hired a coach who is not doing well in basketball.  Maybe Muir is just too stubborn to accept that "his guy" isn't getting it done.  Or maybe there's something Muir knows that we don't that outweighs the wins and losses.  (One thing might be -- are there promising replacements out there in our price range, incl buyouts?)

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - Goose - 03-04-2022

(03-04-2022, 02:11 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Kind of shocking for Muir, a basketball guy, to have hired a coach who is not doing well in basketball.  Maybe Muir is just too stubborn to accept that "his guy" isn't getting it done.  Or maybe there's something Muir knows that we don't that outweighs the wins and losses.  (One thing might be -- are there promising replacements out there in our price range, incl buyouts?)
Right now, given that Muir was trying to cancel some sports to "save money", I think it probable the budget for things like buyouts is zero. That may be a factor. It also may be that Muir has looked at what Kal went through hiring their last two coaches and is strongly deterred by that. Unless and until there is a groundswell of fan/alum noise to get rid of Haase, it won't happen, IMHO.

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - 2006alum - 03-04-2022

(03-04-2022, 02:31 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(03-04-2022, 02:11 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Kind of shocking for Muir, a basketball guy, to have hired a coach who is not doing well in basketball.  Maybe Muir is just too stubborn to accept that "his guy" isn't getting it done.  Or maybe there's something Muir knows that we don't that outweighs the wins and losses.  (One thing might be -- are there promising replacements out there in our price range, incl buyouts?)
Right now, given that Muir was trying to cancel some sports to "save money", I think it probable the budget for things like buyouts is zero. That may be a factor. It also may be that Muir has looked at what Kal went through hiring their last two coaches and is strongly deterred by that. Unless and until there is a groundswell of fan/alum noise to get rid of Haase, it won't happen, IMHO.

I'd love to have a public forensic accounting of the AD's budget and endowments. I get why they thought in early 2020 that they'd need to make major budget cuts, because a lot of universities had to put the freeze on as endowments plummeted and we had no idea what the scope of the Pandemic would look like.  The announcement was made in June 2020 and I bet the decision was largely made earlier in the spring when things looked really bad.

But two years later, I bet the AD is actually more flush for cash now than it was in January 2020, and I am supremely skeptical that we don't have enough rich boosters who would be willing to back a major push to get a top tier basketball coach. (Especially after they got so much outside funding to cover those cut sports. COUGH.)

The much bigger problem is attracting someone to coach at a school that has had a thoroughly mediocre MBB culture for going on two full decades, and having an AD with EUTM to make it happen.

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - gailtate - 03-04-2022

(03-04-2022, 02:31 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(03-04-2022, 02:11 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Kind of shocking for Muir, a basketball guy, to have hired a coach who is not doing well in basketball.  Maybe Muir is just too stubborn to accept that "his guy" isn't getting it done.  Or maybe there's something Muir knows that we don't that outweighs the wins and losses.  (One thing might be -- are there promising replacements out there in our price range, incl buyouts?)
Right now, given that Muir was trying to cancel some sports to "save money", I think it probable the budget for things like buyouts is zero. That may be a factor. It also may be that Muir has looked at what Kal went through hiring their last two coaches and is strongly deterred by that. Unless and until there is a groundswell of fan/alum noise to get rid of Haase, it won't happen, IMHO.

Looks like Stanford is lost in space until Haase reaches his "Sell By" date. It's been two decades since MBB rocked Maples. Feels longer.

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - Goose - 03-04-2022

(03-04-2022, 02:34 PM)2006alum Wrote:  But two years later, I bet the AD is actually more flush for cash now than it was in January 2020, and I am supremely skeptical that we don't have enough rich boosters who would be willing to back a major push to get a top tier basketball coach. (Especially after they got so much outside funding to cover those cut sports. COUGH.)
Probably, but if you go around sounding out rich boosters you make your coach a very lame duck pretty fast. You also turn off lots of prospective hires because they don't like that look. It can be done, but it is tricky.
Quote:The much bigger problem is attracting someone to coach at a school that has had a thoroughly mediocre MBB culture for going on two full decades, and having an AD with EUTM to make it happen.
Agree that identifying and attracting the right guy will be difficult. I think an AD with EUTM is exactly the wrong guy to do it. What the prospective coach will want to see is stability and patience, because fixing the problem isn't going to necessarily be fast or easy. What will be needed from the AD is competence and professionalism. The "quick fix" meme won't sell well IMHO.

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - winflop - 03-04-2022

(03-04-2022, 02:11 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Kind of shocking for Muir, a basketball guy, to have hired a coach who is not doing well in basketball.  Maybe Muir is just too stubborn to accept that "his guy" isn't getting it done.  Or maybe there's something Muir knows that we don't that outweighs the wins and losses.  (One thing might be -- are there promising replacements out there in our price range, incl buyouts?)

You mean the same Muir who kept Dawkins around for about three years longer than he should have? The one who won't press on Shaw that he needs to make changes to his coaching staff? The one who was asleep at the wheel when out of nowhere someone donates half a million dollars to the sailing program?

Muir is a storeminder.

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - Phogge - 03-05-2022

Muir must have some kind of secret leverage he uses on the Stanford community. Why else would a school like Stanford keep a numb nuts AD on payroll.

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - gailtate - 03-05-2022

(03-04-2022, 05:52 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(03-04-2022, 02:34 PM)2006alum Wrote:  But two years later, I bet the AD is actually more flush for cash now than it was in January 2020, and I am supremely skeptical that we don't have enough rich boosters who would be willing to back a major push to get a top tier basketball coach. (Especially after they got so much outside funding to cover those cut sports. COUGH.)
Probably, but if you go around sounding out rich boosters you make your coach a very lame duck pretty fast. You also turn off lots of prospective hires because they don't like that look. It can be done, but it is tricky.
Quote:The much bigger problem is attracting someone to coach at a school that has had a thoroughly mediocre MBB culture for going on two full decades, and having an AD with EUTM to make it happen.
Agree that identifying and attracting the right guy will be difficult. I think an AD with EUTM is exactly the wrong guy to do it. What the prospective coach will want to see is stability and patience, because fixing the problem isn't going to necessarily be fast or easy. What will be needed from the AD is competence and professionalism. The "quick fix" meme won't sell well IMHO.

The mix is conspicuously weak at the moment: No Hennessy, no Bowlsby, no institutional imperative to make anything happen of significance. Messrs. H and B made Harbaugh happen. Today MTL is an unknown quantity insofar as prioritizing the competitive superiority of revenue-sports. Hats off to his predecessor for publicly declaring he had seen the light ("Now I get it!") of football's institutional importance in the wake of the Orange Bowl championship in 2011. If the guy at the top isn't pushing pressure downward, ain't nuthin' gonna happen.

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - BostonCard - 03-05-2022

Don’t forget the influence of the Provost on athletics.  Stanford athletics survived the Gerhart Casper years despite the fact that as a German, he had no clue about, and very little sympathy for, collegiate athletics because Condi Rice was the single biggest advocate for athletics the school has ever had. It is perhaps not a surprise that Stanford athletics suffered in the wake of her departure for DC.

Unfortunately, the view of our current provost is not very positive, from an athletics perspective.

BC

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - Phogge - 03-05-2022

What does a provost do?

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - BobK - 03-05-2022

Right after Condi left we went to the Rose Bowl. Also MBB continued to thrive
Ok for 4 more years :)
However shortly after Condi left Stanford hired Robin the Terrible as admissions Director so you’re right BC

RE: MBB: Stanford 69 Arizona 81 - BostonCard - 03-05-2022

(03-05-2022, 05:46 PM)BobK Wrote:  Right after Condi left we went to the Rose Bowl.  Also MBB continued to thrive
Ok for 4 more years :)
However shortly after Condi left Stanford hired Robin the Terrible as admissions Director so you’re right BC

Exactly.  It’s not like the provost is going to affect what happens on the field immediately.  But the Provost affects the direction of admissions, to give but one example.  I am fairly certain that Condi would not have signed off on Mamlet’s hiring, had she still been in the role, and would have heard about the discontent in athletics and let that be known to admissions had she still been in her role.

It took a few years, but admissions disputes contributed to Montgomery’s decision to go to the NBA.

BC