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RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - BobK - 02-15-2025

Thank you mudhead

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - StanUSwagU - 02-15-2025

Duke University, is a great Top20 University, and they seem to know how to create an environment where their Mens Basketball is perennially an Exciting 'Top 20 Mens Basketball Team'.

Is there anything we at Stanford & our President, & Administration, can learn from Duke University, (a university with a similar profile and small undergraduate size as Stanford University) ??

Seems they are a Top20 Academic Institution, but their Administration seemed to figure out how to 'Build & Maintain' the infrastructure for a 'Top 20 Mens Basketball Team' ...even in this new "NIL" & "Transfer Portal" Era ?

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - fullmetal - 02-16-2025

Duke benefits from having a dedicated fanbase and tradition that fuels a lot of its recruiting cachet.  I'm not sure any revenue sport at Stanford has that kind of support from fans.  I also can't imagine Stanford students camping out overnight at Maples to get tickets, year after year.

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - SamuelMcF - 02-16-2025

(02-15-2025, 11:09 PM)StanUSwagU Wrote:  Duke University, is a great Top20 University, and they seem to know how to create an environment where their Mens Basketball is perennially an Exciting  'Top 20 Mens Basketball Team'.

Is there anything we at Stanford & our President, & Administration, can learn from Duke University, (a university with a similar profile and small undergraduate size as Stanford University)  ??

Seems they are a Top20 Academic Institution, but their Administration seemed to figure out how to 'Build & Maintain' the infrastructure for a 'Top 20 Mens Basketball Team' ...even in this new "NIL" & "Transfer Portal" Era ?

Yes - be one of the most successful basketball teams in NCAA history, with top recruits beating the door down for a spot every year.

Have one of the strongest basketball alumni networks in NCAA history (due to aforementioned success) and the NIL program to match, because men's basketball is the most important thing at the school and has been for 60+ years.

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - Goose - 02-16-2025

(02-16-2025, 01:43 AM)fullmetal Wrote:  Duke benefits from having a dedicated fanbase and tradition that fuels a lot of its recruiting cachet.
While I totally agree with what you post above, there is an elephant in the room that IMO is being ignored because dealing with it may create some "controversy". Both Stanford and Duke admit student-athletes that are academically "below the mean". Both schools also admit students that do not intend to graduate (one-and-dones). The difference is (and what some would say Stanford can "learn from Duke") is that Duke has been willing to go further below the mean than Stanford has and to do so more frequently.

I know two Duke alums that are loyal enthusiastic Duke basketball fans. They agree this is the case and has been the case for many years. One indicator of this atypical situation is that the Duke basketball graduation rate is 67%. Obviously part of this low rate is that successful Duke basketball players almost universally leave for the NBA. Others leave thinking they are going to the NBA but it doesn't work out for them. They certainly are not "typical" of the rest of the student body.

Let it be clear that I am not saying Duke admits basketball players that are totally unqualified to be college students. I am saying they admit basketball players that are much more "atypical" of their overall student body than Stanford does. This generates a much larger potential recruiting pool. Due to Duke's long history of success they have many more great basketball players wanting to attend than Stanford does. It is equally true that Duke can get a larger percentage of their larger pool admitted than Stanford can.

I am not advocating the proposition that Stanford should change its admission policies to match Duke's. There has been some movement in that direction in that Stanford now admits players that are avowedly one-and-done.  IMO it is however necessary that differences be recognized. IMO it would also be a good idea for everybody to read Chapter 16 of Stanford's Wallace Sterling. He identified the "NIL inequity" about 65 years before the Supreme Court opined. He also has a lot to say about admission standards. IMO what he says is timeless and statically true.

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - BostonCard - 02-16-2025

I mean, Johnny Dawkins underestimated the academics at Stanford.  That tells you something.  I don’t know that we necessarily want to look at that as a bad thing.

Also, I think Duke basketball has benefitted from the fact that throughout most of the last 60 years, the Duke football program has been a joke.  Not that you can’t do both well, but I do think that had the Duke football team not been a laughing stock, the community would have been less crazy about its basketball program.

BC

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - TrumpCard - 02-16-2025

I attended Stanford during the bball heyday and people slept out for seats.

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - old spanish trail - 02-16-2025

(02-16-2025, 12:43 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:  I attended Stanford during the bball heyday and people slept out for seats.

And someone delivered pizza.

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - fullmetal - 02-16-2025

(02-16-2025, 12:43 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:  I attended Stanford during the bball heyday and people slept out for seats.

Me too, but iirc Duke has student sleeping out for seats even when they're not in their heyday.  Or...maybe all days are their heyday (and that's the difference between us and them?)

RE: MBB: @ Duke, 1:00 on ABC - Goose - 02-16-2025

IMO worth a read. https://www.theassemblync.com/education/higher-education/duke-university-and-the-troubles-of-college-sports/ This isn't "brand new" but it does add some valuable (IMO) perspective to the Duke situation.