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RE: Seeking advice in wake of YouTube TV-Disney dispute - BostonCard - 11-11-2025

I think the problem is that Corey Doctorow’s “ enshittification” principle is at play.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/the-age-of-enshittification

First companies are in a battle to capture users, so they will offer a good product at a cheap (or free) price.  Once they capture users, they try to monetize the users, for example, by selling ads.  Then they steadily degrade the experience because at that point, the user is hooked.

BC

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RE: Seeking advice in wake of YouTube TV-Disney dispute - burger - 11-11-2025

(11-11-2025, 05:43 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  I think the problem is that Corey Doctorow’s “ enshittification” principle is at play.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/the-age-of-enshittification

First companies are in a battle to capture users, so they will offer a good product at a cheap (or free) price.  Once they capture users, they try to monetize the users, for example, by selling ads.  Then they steadily degrade the experience because at that point, the user is hooked.

BC

There's actually a third stage of enshittification: once the user experience has been degraded, the experience of business customers gets degraded as well.  E.g. advertising costs go sky high, or, as in this thread, payments to vendors (like TV networks) get reduced.

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RE: Seeking advice in wake of YouTube TV-Disney dispute - BostonCard - 11-11-2025

Yeah, thanks for articulating it well.

BC

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RE: Seeking advice in wake of YouTube TV-Disney dispute - 2006alum - 11-11-2025

(11-11-2025, 03:53 PM)crackpot Wrote:  

(11-11-2025, 12:57 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  interesting analogy between espn and weight loss drugs…

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/espn-zepbound-and-the-twilight-of-the-middleman-01eb7446?st=caG4MM&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Actually a good case for doing away with middlemen (YouTube/Cable on the one hand and pharmacy benefit managers on the other) and selling direct to people who are interested.

BC

Oh, wow, thank you for this link.

Also, I'm old enough to remember when networks would pay or otherwise encourage local carriers to carry their stuff. IIRC, KRON was one of the first to balk at paying to play and ended up losing their status as an NBC affiliate.

It always burns me to pay for streaming services that are also supported by advertising (especially if I'm forced to watch them).

Yes, thanks - great analogy. 

As for me, I've been an off-and-on subscriber to Sling for years. For roughly $60-70 a month I get all the sports I need plus exhaustive DVR storage. And then I turned it off when the sports I watch go dark for the season. Can stream on phone, Ipad, TV, etc.

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RE: Seeking advice in wake of YouTube TV-Disney dispute - BostonCard - 11-12-2025

Article about streaming prices…

https://www.wsj.com/business/media/streaming-prices-are-soaringand-consumers-are-still-paying-1bb7dbae?st=j54cG7&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

BC

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RE: Seeking advice in wake of YouTube TV-Disney dispute - crackpot - 11-14-2025

Our long national nightmare is over. Service is being restored.

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RE: Seeking advice in wake of YouTube TV-Disney dispute - BostonCard - 11-14-2025

(11-14-2025, 05:55 PM)crackpot Wrote:  Our long national nightmare is over. Service is being restored.

Somehow, I survived.  Maybe the lesson is that I don’t, in fact, need a gazillion sports options.

BC

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