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Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - Spiny_Norman - 12-21-2012

One aspect of the Band's performance should be perfectly acceptable to all fans.  According to Mark Soltau, they will play the national anthem.

http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122112aaa.html

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - dabigv13 - 12-21-2012

Even the band's biggest detractors have to give them credit for doing a damn fine job with the Star Spangled Banner. Even back in 72, a couple Rose Bowl's ago, they did an awesome job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbA6R87BtT8

Love the SMUT opening formation from this contrasting to the cheesy 1902 automobiles the announcers are talking about, and also interesting to see how big the band is back then- the USA is twice as big as recent iterations.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - TreeWeird - 12-21-2012

The first time I heard of Stanford as a kid was seeing LSJUMB, possibly during either the 71 or 72 Rose Bowl.  I recall LSJUMB doing a "Salute to Television" or something like that, forming the shape of a TV in a toilet bowl. 

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

The image always stuck with me and kept Stanford on my mind as I later started thinking about colleges to attend.





Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - Farm93 - 12-21-2012

(12-21-2012, 02:37 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:The mile is a minor event????

She says her spouse knew about her prostitution and tried to stop it. Awareness and consent are not the same thing.

I'm betting you could get the phrase Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year Award past the censors.

Women's 1500M is a minor event in the Olympics!  Yes!  Especially here in America because America's best routinely finish in 5th-8th place if they make the finals at all.  The semi-finals do not air live in the USA, and the telecast will routinely cut in to run for ads or field event highlights.  As the women's 1500M event ends the broadcasters will immediately return to quarterfinals of soccer, basketball or whatever.  And that is once every 4 years.  Outside of that event no one cares about the 1500M.

I can assure you that this news will go away before the weekend.  NBA X-Mas day.  NFL teams battling for the playoffs.  College Football bowl games.  This is not a story that can compete with those sports stories.  Who cares about a 40 year-old female former middle distance track athlete?  And those self-esteem issues will leave her safe anyway because suicide has to be a consideration.  LSJUMB's fun and games will look terrible if she kills herself a day or two later.  Just sayin'  With her level of mental and physical self destruction clearly outlined already it will be best to let this one go.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - Card Fan in OR - 12-22-2012

Thanks, thanks, and thanks, again, dabigv. I remember that moment oh, so, well, but it was even more impressive in person. Still  have my ticket to the game-- with its wonderful outcome. Interesting to hear the band break into "Yellow River" right after the anthem. Always thought of it as a pop, but still pretty touching, anti-war song. Times have changed. This time we don't face an invincible, undefeated Big Ten foe, but a victory will be nearly as sweet for me. It could never be quite "as" sweet, as my whole family, neighborhood, city, county, and most of the state were diehard UM fans. I had a sibling make the trip from Ann Arbor. She sat next to me as her beloved Wolverines fell.

Michigan's 11th and 12th points were totally bogus, as our man's (Jim Ferguson, I think) forward progress was very clearly halted at the two. Made for great heroics from the incomparable Don Bunce, though.

Go Card. Bring one more Rose Bowl home.

Better link - BigAppleBucky - 12-22-2012

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.preferred411.com/P85909

Be sure to scroll to the bottom of the page.

Can the band spell out BBBJTCNQNS?

Maybe if they're rough enough on her, she'll suicide, which is what I half expect to happen.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - Oasis - 12-22-2012

(12-21-2012, 06:25 PM)CompSci87 link Wrote:[quote author=Oasis link=topic=7229.msg55709#msg55709 date=1356138249]
I think a show on cholesterol and obesity would be good.

Wisconsin fans won't get it. Judging from recent posts, it seems to be a Stanford stereotype that everyone from Wisconsin is fat, but I don't think Wisconsinites are aware of that or sensitive about it. When I was growing up in Wisconsin, I didn't notice folks being any fatter than they are anywhere else in the country.
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That's not the point. Let's assume the reality is that the incidence of obesity in Wisconsin is 10% of what it is in Beverly Hills.  It doesn't matter.  The point is the Wisconsinites (is that what they are?) revel in cheese, bratwurst, beer and other life-shortening things, including one Wisconsin Supreme Court justice trying to strangle another. http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/06/28/137480847/wisconsins-alleged-high-court-choking-incident-gets-two-probes  They think about these things (not necessarily judicial strangulation).  I know.  California is full of displaced cheeseheads.  I hear them talk about this stuff all the time.  We would be spoofing their state culture, not how fat (or olympian-fit) they really are. 

Also, I think Ms. Hamilton's prostitution is sad in a way Tiger Woods' philandering (notwithstanding a stunning spouse loyally waiting for him at home) is not.  Tiger Woods is a guy who had everything life on this earth could give a man -- and betrayed it because is an egotistical a-hole.  In this respect, although he didn't kill anybody, he is like O.J. Simpson, of whom we have mercilessly and quite appropriately made fun for 18 years.  I think Ms. Hamilton has problems, painful ones -- and (just my opinion; no doubt based on ignorant Stanford stereotyping) there is nothing exciting or glamorous about prostitution, nor anything normal about anybody who finds glamor or excitement in it.

So I stand by my statement: a show spoofing Wisconsin as the home of death -- slow by eating, fast if you get on the supreme court -- would be funny and a lot more appropriate than dragging hurt and hurting people out into yet more public view.  Wisconsin can shoot back, fair and square, by making fun of Tiger Woods -- if anybody still cares. 

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - cardcoug - 12-22-2012

Here's hoping the band doesn't take the Ms. Hamilton angle. I hate to get all serious on a board like this, but I think the demonization of sex workers is a terrible thing - judgmental, insensitive and very often (though fortunately not in any of the remarks I've seen here) sexist. I would regard it as a travesty if a stanford institution took an opportunity to slut-shame somebody on national tv, and I would lose all of the very high amount of respect I currently have for the band. We don't know this woman, we don't know what she is going through with her friends and family after having to admit this, or what she went through before she did it, and it just seems cruel, at best, to focus a brobdingnagian show on making sure the whole world knows just how terrible and disgusting we're supposed to think she is.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - terry - 12-22-2012

Wisconsin has an average obesity rate. I don't think there's much to spoof along those lines.

The Band could spoof Wisconsin's cheese-and-brats culture. That has possibilities. I love cheese and brats, and California produces almost as much cheese as Wisconsin, but still, I wouldn't be surprised to see the band do something with this.

I like the idea of the Band's doing a show about Wisconsin's coach being so desperate to get out of Wisconsin that he went to Arkansas. Might be amusing.

I'd rather see the Band leave Suzy Hamilton alone. And I hope she has very supportive family and friends, because she's going to need them.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - yvonne - 12-22-2012

(12-22-2012, 05:35 AM)BigAppleBucky link Wrote:http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.preferred411.com/P8590

Maybe if they're rough enough on her, she'll suicide, which is what I half expect to happen.

I don't want anybody to commit suicide, especially over a band sketch. In fact, I didn't suggest that she be the subject of the sketch at all. That would be cruel for anyone save the truly public figures (pop stars, politicians, etc.)  However, I don't think getting one of the phrases in a sketch would have the kind of impact people are talking about (OK, maybe Kelly Lundy would.)

As for a sketch on cheese, I hope not. How many jokes have we already heard about Wisconsin and cheese?

My original point was intended  to be about trying to get words and phrases past the censors. I fully expect the bands performance to be tame and boring.

Sorry if my words were smug, condescending, or insensitive, and thanks for giving me things to think about.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - jayasena - 12-22-2012

I'm with Farm93. Just say good things about Arkansas... that should be enough and no one will miss the reference.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - Spiny_Norman - 12-22-2012

Whatever the Band does, it will not be as vindictive or bitter or clever as the show that the Rice Marching Owl Band performed when Todd Graham left for Tulsa - http://mob.rice.edu/history/scripts/200711240

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - cardcoug - 12-22-2012

(12-22-2012, 11:58 AM)garvin link Wrote:I can only presume everybody on this thread also believes that the Band shouldn't have joked about the potato famine or polygamy or the spotted owl, either. Surely we're at least as opposed to the demonization of Irish famine victims, Mormon sects and innocent woodfowl as we are sex workers. Though it appears from the website linked by BigAppleBucky that Kelly isn't a worker but a hobbyist, since the $600 that changes hands is merely a donation rather than a price.

I think there's a very big difference between all of your examples and the current case, namely none of them involved singling out a particular individual and shaming her. I'm not trying to make a point about political correctness, but rather about not being cruel to one particular person on a very public stage.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - terry - 12-22-2012

I think there's a difference between joking about polygamy or the potato famine and singling out a particular woman who says she is suffering from depression.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - dabigv13 - 12-22-2012

A few things-

1) BBBJTCNQNS is hilarious. And I suspect the band is not nearly big enough to spell it out.

2) I sincerely doubt that this woman will know or care if Stanford does a halftime show about it. It's unlikely most of the people at the stadium would even know.

3) Even if she is depressed (7 years is quite a long time for postpartum depression), to use that as justification for becoming a high priced escort is just silly. Tiger Woods was dissatisfied with his marriage, a sad state of affairs. But a lot of people who are dissatisfied with their marriages deal with it by obsessing over a college football team, golfing, whatever. Because he went and had sex with anything with two legs, he was open for ridicule. Depression is not a svengali voice in your head convincing you to do things you otherwise wouldn't. This women made some poor and hilarious decisions, and if the band can put together some funny jokes about it, I'll laugh.

4) If the band does decide to use it, I sincerely doubt it will be in a malignant "slut-shaming" way. It will be offbeat, head-scratching, and difficult for most to understand. Like all band shows.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - CrazedZooChimp - 12-22-2012

(12-22-2012, 11:58 AM)garvin link Wrote:I can only presume everybody on this thread also believes that the Band shouldn't have joked about the potato famine or polygamy or the spotted owl, either. Surely we're at least as opposed to the demonization of Irish famine victims, Mormon sects and innocent woodfowl as we are sex workers. Though it appears from the website linked by BigAppleBucky that Kelly isn't a worker but a hobbyist, since the $600 that changes hands is merely a donation rather than a price.

Thank you Garvin.  Reading many of these I can now understand how the band gets in trouble after every field show, whether it's making fun of a musical about Oklahoma or a throw away joke about marriage (that happened to be mixed into a joke about lines for the women's bathroom.  No one ever remembers that).  As I said before, I'll be shocked if they're even allowed to use the word cheese for fear some Wisconsin dairy farmer will take offense by interpreting it to imply bestiality.

I also don't see how making fun of something absurd is shaming.  I doubt the band will be promoting shunning this woman for her depression, and would probably be equally happy to make fun of anyone who did.  I hope none of you listen to stand-up comics or late night talk shows.

The best the band can hope for I think would be a series of completely non-sequiter jokes that are absurd enough to be amusing while also not having any chance of offending anyone.  On the plus size, I think the band should be about 200-300 people strong.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - CrazedZooChimp - 12-22-2012

(12-22-2012, 12:01 PM)Spiny_Norman link Wrote:Whatever the Band does, it will not be as vindictive or bitter or clever as the show that the Rice Marching Owl Band performed when Todd Graham left for Tulsa - http://mob.rice.edu/history/scripts/200711240

Boy, I wish the LSJUMB would be allowed to do something like that.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - BigAppleBucky - 12-22-2012

(12-22-2012, 10:41 AM)terry link Wrote:Wisconsin has an average obesity rate. I don't think there's much to spoof along those lines.

The Band could spoof Wisconsin's cheese-and-brats culture. That has possibilities. I love cheese and brats, and California produces almost as much cheese as Wisconsin, but still, I wouldn't be surprised to see the band do something with this.

Drinking in Wisconsin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WlwumGkSec

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - Bruce Wang - 12-22-2012

One of my favorite commercials was part of the California happy cows make better cheese campaign. I can't find it on YouTube. It was the one with the calfs asking the grandma cow about Wisconsin and she flash backed to the bitter cold.

Re: Challenge to the LSJUMB - estephan500 - 12-23-2012

(12-22-2012, 12:01 PM)Spiny_Norman link Wrote:Whatever the Band does, it will not be as vindictive or bitter or clever as the show that the Rice Marching Owl Band performed when Todd Graham left for Tulsa - http://mob.rice.edu/history/scripts/200711240

That is a damn funny script.