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Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:21 AM)rudruff link Wrote:From my perspective, all of my concerns about the defense leading into the season are gone. If Golson can light up the Stanford D, I think we will all grudgingly admit the better team won. You just won't find a lot of people on the Stanford side who believe he can.

But despite our red zone woes, the offense has managed to move the ball. For all that "Hogan doesn't impress me" is a Stanford opponent's weekly talking point, he has regularly beaten teams with guys who are considered better than him.

i very much doubt golson will light up the stanford d, but i dont see either side lighting up the oposition, but i think he can have some success against  them, we will just have to wait and see if its enough! 

and i have been impressed with hogan with what i have seen. 
couple questions (and i mean these honestly because i dont know-not trying to draw comparisons) , how is his arm strength?  I know he is a smart qb, making reads, and isn't afraid to get hit/run.  But should we be afraid of him stretching the field, or does his accuracy drop?  or is he more comfortable in the 20-30 yard range

Re: ND-Stanford - Hulk01 - 09-30-2014

I would not allow our AD to interview Brian Kelly for a job at Stanford.  Dead serious.

Re: ND-Stanford - Leftcoast - 09-30-2014

Last year Stanford beat Notre Dame 27-20 by holding off a fourth quarter comeback with two picks of ND QB Rees in the Irish final drives.  Hogan did not have a great game going 12/18 for 158 yards, 1 TD and 2 interceptions.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=333340024

This year's Stanford D is as tough as last year, special teams are even and the O has been sloppy and sporadic.  Notre Dame seems improved at QB, may have an edge on offense over their previous version but is unproven on defense. 

The other big difference is location - playing in South Bend should provide a big edge for the Irish.  I think this one will be close.

NDI, I can see how an Irish fan can make a case for Golson over Hogan but let's see how events play out on Saturday.  We're just fine with our head coach, thank you.  Glad you like yours but nothing about Kelly makes me wish he was on our side of the field.  I'm actually a little surprised you like him so much.  His bluster, stumbles while attempting damage control and public beat downs of players on the sidelines have us frequently shaking our heads.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:31 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:I would not allow our AD to interview Brian Kelly for a job at Stanford.  Dead serious.

ok, glad you are dead serious and not just a little serious...

Re: ND-Stanford - Hulk01 - 09-30-2014

We are glad that you have nothing but respect for Stanford.

But you will not find that reciprocated here. Most of us do not respect Notre Dame and many of us would never consider it as a school and would discourage our kids from considering it, too.  I say that from experience.

You clearly underestimate how deep the dislike of Notre Dame is outside of its rabid fan club and alumni. 

And perhaps more than anything else, many--perhaps most--of us loathe Brian Kelly and his absurd sideline behavior are televised upbraiding of his players.



Re: ND-Stanford - rudruff - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:27 AM)NDIrish link Wrote:[quote author=rudruff link=topic=10754.msg99860#msg99860 date=1412094103]
From my perspective, all of my concerns about the defense leading into the season are gone. If Golson can light up the Stanford D, I think we will all grudgingly admit the better team won. You just won't find a lot of people on the Stanford side who believe he can.

But despite our red zone woes, the offense has managed to move the ball. For all that "Hogan doesn't impress me" is a Stanford opponent's weekly talking point, he has regularly beaten teams with guys who are considered better than him.

i very much doubt golson will light up the stanford d, but i dont see either side lighting up the oposition, but i think he can have some success against  them, we will just have to wait and see if its enough! 

and i have been impressed with hogan with what i have seen. 
couple questions (and i mean these honestly because i dont know-not trying to draw comparisons) , how is his arm strength?  I know he is a smart qb, making reads, and isn't afraid to get hit/run.  But should we be afraid of him stretching the field, or does his accuracy drop?  or is he more comfortable in the 20-30 yard range
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Hogan's issue coming into this season was more about intermediate passing. He threw a lot of deep balls last year.

I think the concerns this year are more about hitting guys in stride and ball security. This season's team throws more than last year. Bunch of reasons for that: good playmakers at WR, emergence of a legit TE, and still trying to find an identity at RB.

Re: ND-Stanford - stupac2 - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 08:58 AM)NDIrish link Wrote:I guess their is no mutual respect between universities that have higher standards.

I think this is your problem: the only people who think of ND as anything but a football factory are ND fans.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:32 AM)leftcoast link Wrote:Last year Stanford beat the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends 27-20 by holding off a fourth quarter comeback with two picks of ND QB Rees in the Irish final drives.  Hogan did not have a great game going 12/18 for 158 yards, 1 TD and 2 interceptions.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=333340024

This year's Stanford D is as tough as last year, special teams are even and the O has been sloppy and sporadic.  the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends seems improved at QB, may have an edge on offense over their previous version but is unproven on defense. 

The other big difference is location - playing in South Bend should provide a big edge for the Irish.  I think this one will be close.

NDI, I can see how an Irish fan can make a case for Golson over Hogan but let's see how events play out on Saturday.  We're just fine with our head coach, thank you.  Glad you like yours but nothing about Kelly makes me wish he was on our side of the field.  I'm actually a little surprised you like him so much.  His bluster, stumbles while attempting damage control and public beat downs of players on the sidelines have us frequently shaking our heads.

Close and hard hitting!

I am not a 100% sold on Kelly as a complete package.  I think he is a great coach.  Most of the antics that people fault him for i think he outgrew once he got use to the position.  I think he has been put in some tough spots since he has been here, but has done ok dealing with them.  I don t know what stumbles you are referring to, but everyone has their opinion.  But he came here with a broken down team and coaching staff and has really turned the program around. 

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:44 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=10754.msg99855#msg99855 date=1412092725]I guess their is no mutual respect between universities that have higher standards.

I think this is your problem: the only people who think of ND as anything but a football factory are ND fans.
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how is ND a football factory?

Re: ND-Stanford - FarmBoy - 09-30-2014

Quote:Most of us do not respect the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends and many of us would never consider it as a school and would discourage our kids from considering it, too.

I think that's going too far. I would venture that most Stanford fans loathe the ND football program for the arrogance of their team/fans and preferential treatment they receive from the media, but I don't know many that hold it against the university at large. I've known lots of fine people who went/came from there.

I haven't watched Golson this year, but from what I saw 2 years ago, he's probably got a higher ceiling than Hogan. And your statement that ND receivers are better than U'SC seems hard to believe, given Aghalor alone. JuJu Smith is also a baller. If ND has two better than them, they're dangerous indeed.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:38 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:We are glad that you have nothing but respect for Stanford.

But you will not find that reciprocated here. Most of us do not respect the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends and many of us would never consider it as a school and would discourage our kids from considering it, too.  I say that from experience.

You clearly underestimate how deep the dislike of the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends is outside of its rabid fan club and alumni. 

And perhaps more than anything else, many--perhaps most--of us loathe Brian Kelly and his absurd sideline behavior are televised upbraiding of his players.

Clearly that is the case, so i guess its just going to make it sweeter when we beat you guys again.  I am glad "your experience"  would discourage your kids from attending a great university, because i have heard the same thing about stanford.  I understand the overall fan base can get to over protective of ND, but that doesn't change the status of the university. 

Loathe brian kelly?  Dude lost it for one game years ago, once again, way to live in the past. 



Re: ND-Stanford - Hulk01 - 09-30-2014

Yes, Kelly has found himself in some tough spots.

Take that day when the wind was blowing up to 40 miles per hour.  Talk about tough; we have an important practice and we need to photograph it.  But the wind could knock over that photographer's crain and cause him serious injury.

What to do, what to do?  "Damn it, we are Notre Dame and Notre Dame wins football games.  And people sacrifice for that.  A photographer should, too."  Now that's a devoted coach.

And so it went.  To which irish fans say, it was just one of those things.  They are right: it was one of those things.  One of those things that could have been avoided and Kelly chose not to.

Are you getting the message?  Among other things, few if any of us care if you think you have a neat team.  ND fans always think that.  And they thought Tommy Rees was a great kid who would never lay a hand on a girl who wasn't asking for it.  Yep.  He's a Notre Dame player.  Our players may be necrophiles, as one of their famous linebackers was, but by God they aren't rapists.

Re: ND-Stanford - 81alum - 09-30-2014

I enjoy hearing from knowledgeable fans of our weekly opponents and welcome NDIrish and his input.  NDI is a little chauvinistic toward his team and university--but that is expected of all football fans and I do not hold that against him.

But NDIrish also needs to understand that respect and civility does not mean agreement.  I do think that Notre Dame is a reputable major university by academic standards, and I do think that Notre Dame has done fairly well on the APR front. 

I think my problem with Notre Dame is that its fan base tends to be so rabid that it contributes to an unhealthy ethos in which athletes behave like they are above the rules, coaches scream and rant, and fans are bellicose.  I can't blame NDIrish for this, since he seems reasonable to me.  But I do not much like the company he has to keep.

As far as football is concerned, I am worried about this game.  I think the Notre Dame offense seems marginally superior to ours at the moment, and our defense seems somewhat superior to Notre Dame's.  I would expect a low scoring game that could be determined by turnovers, special teams, or penalties.  I also think the critical factor will be to observe which offensive line does a better job.  Ours has had issues and Notre Dame's has been patchwork.  Which ever line can come together and improve its game compared with last week will probably contribute mightily to a win.

Re: ND-Stanford - stupac2 - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:48 AM)NDIrish link Wrote:how is ND a football factory?

Take away the football team and would anyone talk about them?

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:53 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:
Quote:Most of us do not respect the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends and many of us would never consider it as a school and would discourage our kids from considering it, too.

I think that's going too far. I would venture that most Stanford fans loathe the ND football program for the arrogance of their team/fans and preferential treatment they receive from the media, but I don't know many that hold it against the university at large. I've known lots of fine people who went/came from there.

I haven't watched Golson this year, but from what I saw 2 years ago, he's probably got a higher ceiling than Hogan. And your statement that ND receivers are better than U'SC seems hard to believe, given Aghalor alone. JuJu Smith is also a baller. If ND has two better than them, they're dangerous indeed.


Thank you, i have always understood people not liking the football program for a variety of reasons, but the university as a whole has done awesome things.  I would say that we dont have anyone better than Aghalor, but we have serious depth at wide receiver, we have 5-6 guys that can be in the game that you have to respect.  You can't afford to double any of them because the other one will take advantage, and against man coverage, its hard to stop when you have a fresh group or rotating receivers who all have skill.  So thanks for pointing that out, dont want to give the wrong idea. 

And i do agree there are a lot of arrogant fans out there, i hope i haven't come across as one, i just love a good football discussion and its hard to get sometimes. SO i apologize if i came across that way.  Ive felt i was always realistic about where this team stood, but good and bad.  And i believe this team is headed in the right direction and kelly isn't as bad as he sometimes comes across.  But that is the problem with the "preferential treatment", i do believe that there are times where they do receive it, mainly in right before they play a big game.  But I think some of it is blown out of proportion.  They are a good football program with a brobdingnagian fan base, so media is going to talk about them, because it brings money in for them.  But this also works against them, because every negative story is blown up much larger than it is because they are also one of the most hated programs - why, because it brings ratings to the channels.  I mean its crazy when a second/third string guy is a headline for getting busted at an underage party (a few years ago).  Or the game where kelly did lose his cool, they played it over and over and over again.  So when they mess up (which all universities do) they are blasted harder.  I never liked Weis, but i never once heard him refer to himself as an offensive guru, the media labeled him as that, and then when they flopped, slammed him because he was suppose to be an offensive guru.  (i dont want to get into weis though, just an example).

But anyway, i think its a great university, with a football team on the rise, with an over zealous fan base.  Mainly because its all there really is in northern indiana.  In stanford area you can break your fanbase up between stanford, usc, nfl teams, baseball, basketball....

Re: ND-Stanford - Bruce Wang - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 08:39 AM)NDIrish link Wrote:  you act like the academics between the 2 schools are all that different.  Both are great institutions.  So no need to go there.

You're right.  There is no need to compare to the pure academics of the 2 schools. 

When it comes to our football teams, the academic standards are very different.  One of the things that pisses people off is that NotreFraud and its fans (like the similarly loathed University of New Jersey, Durham) either pretend or are under mass delusion that they have high academic standards for their athletes.  One look at your roster and only a handful of names are familiar:

Doug Randolph, Durham Smythe, Amir Carlisle, Corey Robinson. 

Maybe missing a few, but only a few.  And who knows if they turned us down because of admissions like that Fake Dead Girlfriend guy.  Your entire roster has the athletic talent to play at Stanford.  Only a few had the brains for Stanford to even consider them.  And you guys like to think that the caliber of your student-athletes is comparable.  Give me a break.


Re: ND-Stanford - 2 for 2028 - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 09:58 AM)NDIrish link Wrote:[quote author=Hulk01 link=topic=10754.msg99866#msg99866 date=1412095081]
We are glad that you have nothing but respect for Stanford.

But you will not find that reciprocated here. Most of us do not respect the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends and many of us would never consider it as a school and would discourage our kids from considering it, too.  I say that from experience.

You clearly underestimate how deep the dislike of the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends is outside of its rabid fan club and alumni. 

And perhaps more than anything else, many--perhaps most--of us loathe Brian Kelly and his absurd sideline behavior are televised upbraiding of his players.

Clearly that is the case, so i guess its just going to make it sweeter when we beat you guys again. 
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Again? 

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 10:11 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=10754.msg99870#msg99870 date=1412095711]how is ND a football factory?

Take away the football team and would anyone talk about them?
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yes, as much as anyone would talk about stanford if you took away your football team.. college football is the most popular ncaa sport, its the reason we hear about most universities... i dont see many headlines about stanford baseball, but i know they have a respectable program, but since i dont hear about them, does that mean stanford is only a football factory?

Re: ND-Stanford - washingtonismoney - 09-30-2014

I guess it depends on how you define "football factory." To me, football factories demean athletes' education in the name of football, and coddle them and their coaches off-the-field by not exposing them to the same accountability systems that normal students and faculty adhere to.

N.D. graduates a lot of its players, and some of them in pretty difficult majors. So that's good. But in terms of accountability they're rather weak. Kelly's scandals. The botched rape investigation. This plagiarism affair is tough to slot -- normal students do plagiarize, and the players have been taken off the field. That's to their credit. It's hard to further evaluate without more information. But still, I would say N.D.'s off-the-field activities are pretty much what I'd expect from a football factory.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 10:13 AM)Publius link Wrote:[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=10754.msg99848#msg99848 date=1412091570]
  you act like the academics between the 2 schools are all that different.  Both are great institutions.  So no need to go there.

You're right.  There is no need to compare to the pure academics of the 2 schools. 

When it comes to our football teams, the academic standards are very different.  One of the things that pisses people off is that NotreFraud and its fans (like the similarly loathed University of New Jersey, Durham) either pretend or are under mass delusion that they have high academic standards for their athletes.  One look at your roster and only a handful of names are familiar:

Doug Randolph, Durham Smythe, Amir Carlisle, Corey Robinson. 

Maybe missing a few, but only a few.  And who knows if they turned us down because of admissions like that Fake Dead Girlfriend guy.  Your entire roster has the athletic talent to play at Stanford.  Only a few had the brains for Stanford to even consider them.  And you guys like to think that the caliber of your student-athletes is comparable.  Give me a break.
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are you serious?  ND looses guys all the times because they dont qualify... yes there are guys that need help to stay eligible, but pretty sure stanford guys get tutors too.