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Re: "Who's got it better than us?" Nobody! - JohnR34231 - 01-05-2015

(01-05-2015, 08:53 AM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Redrum link=topic=11477.msg109938#msg109938 date=1420472965]
Heard rumblings all season that Bloomgren was stretched too thin coaching offensive line and OC. 

Would be helpful if you said more about where those rumblings came from. "My friend close to the staff" is one thing, generic complaint on a message board is something else.
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Well, FWIW, there was screaming and yelling all season on the "other"board that finding a new OC was absolutely essential to prevent Stanford from falling into the abyss of football irrelevance. You can draw your own conclusions as to how meaningful that is.

No, no. Just the unwisdom of the crowd - Redrum - 01-05-2015

or possibly the wisdom.  Sometimes the crowd does get it right.  Other times the crowd looks like The Three Stooges.  But either way it never seems to STFU.  If Andrus Peat goes out and we're trying to integrate more new, inexperienced players into the OL, it will increase the scrutiny of Bloomgren's  OL performance.  And until we put together Luck/Gerhart/Taylor-like offensive performances, the critique of his offensive planning will always be there no matter what.

Re: Turley's staying - stupac2 - 01-05-2015

I've been saying it all along and I'm going to hold to it: I trust Shaw's judgment about his staff. I think a lot of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about this season was misplaced, it looked to my eyes mostly like our 2012-style luck finally turning on us, plus some miscues that can easily happen when you have a bunch of new starters. Maybe that's on the coaching staff, but basically that same staff coached us last year when we had some ridiculously small number of penalties all year.

So I'm one of the few who will be perfectly happy if we don't see any changes in our coaching staff this year. I'm giving them the mulligan. However, if we return to the early-season form next year, I'll agree that something needs to be done.

Re: Turley's staying - JohnR34231 - 01-05-2015

(01-05-2015, 09:34 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:I've been saying it all along and I'm going to hold to it: I trust Shaw's judgment about his staff. I think a lot of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about this season was misplaced, it looked to my eyes mostly like our 2012-style luck finally turning on us, plus some miscues that can easily happen when you have a bunch of new starters. Maybe that's on the coaching staff, but basically that same staff coached us last year when we had some ridiculously small number of penalties all year.

So I'm one of the few who will be perfectly happy if we don't see any changes in our coaching staff this year. I'm giving them the mulligan. However, if we return to the early-season form next year, I'll agree that something needs to be done.

I would tend to agree with you. However, if Shaw does nothing and 2015's offense starts looking like it did in early 2014, the wisdom of the crowd will be the something that needs to be done is showing him the door.

Re: Turley's staying - yvonne - 01-05-2015

Then the crowd will get the coach it deserves.

Re: Turley's staying - stupac2 - 01-05-2015

(01-05-2015, 10:07 AM)JPRI link Wrote:I would tend to agree with you. However, if Shaw does nothing and 2015's offense starts looking like it did in early 2014, the wisdom of the crowd will be the something that needs to be done is showing him the door.

Showing Shaw the door? Talk about overreaction. I'm with Yvonne on that one.

Re: Turley's staying - Treebound - 01-05-2015

Great news regarding Turley and Lance!  Round one to Stanford!   

Regarding Shaw - anybody calling for him to be shown the door is overreacting.  I was a critic of his/Bloomgren's play calling and our penalties and decision making - but he's our coach and a very good one!  Did we under perform this year - Yes.  I'm not happy about it and I think Shaw will continue to evolve and improve. 

People need to look back (not to far) to the Walt and Teevens years and realize how far we have come.    Shaw is our coach for the long term and I truly believe he will get us to the playoffs in the next few years.  He's a Stanford alum and athlete and he knows how special this place is.  We aren't going to pay Michigan dollars, but we are going to beat the football factories with Shaw at the helm.  It's not going to be Roses every year people!  Enjoy this time as it's pretty special.  Do I want more, sure, but it's great to be a Stanford fan right now on multiple fronts!  It's 2015 and the glass is more than half full!

Re: Turley's staying - Bruce Wang - 01-05-2015

Harbaugh's daughter sees the news on Turley.  Either that or she found out about the weather in Ann Arbor this time of year.

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Re: Turley's staying - 82 Card - 01-06-2015

(01-05-2015, 10:26 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=JPRI link=topic=11477.msg109950#msg109950 date=1420477633]I would tend to agree with you. However, if Shaw does nothing and 2015's offense starts looking like it did in early 2014, the wisdom of the crowd will be the something that needs to be done is showing him the door.

Showing Shaw the door? Talk about overreaction. I'm with Yvonne on that one.
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Has a Rose Bowl winning Stanford coach ever been shown the door?  Seems like his succes rate so far earns Shaw quite a bit of slack.  Not every year is going to be 10 or more wins. Probably, most won't. 

Re: Turley's staying - Bruce Wang - 01-06-2015

(01-06-2015, 01:23 AM)82 Card link Wrote:Has a Rose Bowl winning Stanford coach ever been shown the door?  Seems like his succes rate so far earns Shaw quite a bit of slack.  Not every year is going to be 10 or more wins. Probably, most won't.

The fluctuations in academically qualified talent will create holes in various positions from time to time.  As long as Shaw maintains a career winning percentage better than Stanford's historical average, I'm happy.  It will be very hard for us to find another coach willing to stay for the long haul.  If we bailed on him after a few bad seasons, we could miss out on the years when everything breaks right.

Las Vegas was built on this kind of thinking - Redrum - 01-06-2015

Quote: If we bailed on him after a few bad seasons, we could miss out on the years when everything breaks right.

That's just what the people sitting at slot machines think: Can't leave now, the machine's about to pay out.

Re: Las Vegas was built on this kind of thinking - Bruce Wang - 01-06-2015

(01-06-2015, 09:24 AM)Redrum link Wrote:
Quote: If we bailed on him after a few bad seasons, we could miss out on the years when everything breaks right.

That's just what the people sitting at slot machines think: Can't leave now, the machine's about to pay out.

There's a difference. The expected return on slots is negative.  My expected return watching Stanford football with Shaw coaching is positive.  Your analogy makes more sense with Buddy, Idiotface, or Dawkins. :)

Re: Turley's staying - Mick - 01-06-2015

(01-05-2015, 12:55 PM)Publius link Wrote:Harbaugh's daughter sees the news on Turley.  Either that or she found out about the weather in Ann Arbor this time of year.


-2 degrees when I left Chicago yesterday.  11 degrees in Detroit.  My office overlooks the Detroit river, which was mostly ice floes this morning.  At least I can see the sun, which is a rarity this time of year.

Re: Turley's staying - fullmetal - 01-06-2015

The Harbaugh family should get familiar with recipes for chicken soup.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/its-actually-true-cold-weather-can-actually-cause-colds-study-finds/article22301997/

Re: Turley's staying - washingtonismoney - 01-06-2015

(01-06-2015, 11:15 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:The Harbaugh family should get familiar with recipes for chicken soup.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/its-actually-true-cold-weather-can-actually-cause-colds-study-finds/article22301997/

Very poor media reporting on that study: http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/no-they-did-not-just-prove-that-cold-weather-causes-colds/

Re: Turley's staying - BostonCard - 01-06-2015

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/82843/shaw-over-harbaugh-anderson-turley-mark-major-victories-for-stanford-coach

Long article which can basically be summed up as, "Keeping Anderson and Turley are major victories for Stanford".

BC

Re: Turley's staying - washingtonismoney - 01-08-2015

According to the reliable (on Michigan-related subjects) Mgoblog, Harbaugh apparently offered Turley a seven-figure (!), three-year (!!) contract: http://mgoblog.com/content/searchbits-xxxv-surely-last-one

The ESPN article - Hulk01 - 01-08-2015

“. . .faced a bevy of gravely legitimate questions.”

“. . .stuck in a 5-5 rut. . . .The gas tank . . .seemed to be running on empty.. . .was functioning solely on the fumes. . .the clock seemed to be ticking. . .”

". . .wins came in resounding fashion. . . .arrived in dramatic fashion . . . . couldn't have been scripted in a more fascinating fashion.”

". . .gravely legitimate. . . . desperately-needed. . . . potentially vulnerable. . . . famously strict . . . .physically dominant. . . . currently inexperienced (is there another kind?). . . .”

Whew.


Re: Turley's staying - BostonCard - 01-08-2015

It's Lombardi... he's still learning how to be a journalist.  I'm hard on him because I want to see him be successful at ESPN, and I'd love to see better representation of the school there.

BC

Re: Turley's staying - Stymie - 01-09-2015

I wonder if the next step at Stanford might be the hiring of an "Intellectual Strength Coach" for all the undergraduates who aspire to be Nobel Prize or Fields Medal winners or even just Supreme Court Justices?  I suspect that in the average Stanford Freshman class there are far more people who are potential thought leaders than potential Pro Bowl players.  Would the university be willing to invest $1million/year in such an individual?