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Re: history of recruiting question - stupac2 - 04-15-2015

(04-15-2015, 07:26 AM)ferrari link Wrote:Bruce Feldman is saying, in reaction to Winston's Wonderlic score, that Winston was accepted at Stanford.  True, false, or rumor?

I've been hearing that for years, so I suspect it's true, but who knows?

Re: history of recruiting question - CompSci87 - 04-15-2015

(04-15-2015, 07:09 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Rosen is reportedly the standout among UCLA QB hopefuls during Bruin spring practices so far. We may get to see how effective he is at the college level sooner rather than later.

Maybe he is smarter than the coaches there.  ;)  ;)

Re: history of recruiting question - washingtonismoney - 04-15-2015

Time to return to reiterate: true freshman QBs nearly always stink out loud. Rosen leading is probably more of a negative indicator about the other QBs in baby blue and gold than a positive statement about his current ability.

Re: history of recruiting question - Bruce Wang - 04-15-2015

(04-15-2015, 07:26 AM)ferrari link Wrote:Bruce Feldman is saying, in reaction to Winston's Wonderlic score, that Winston was accepted at Stanford.  True, false, or rumor?

True.  Reported in the press at the time that Shaw delivered news of his acceptance around NSD.  His delay in announcing on NSD gave us some suspense that he would join our 2012 recruiting class.  I think Shaw has been asked about it several times by the media and he's confirmed it.

Which is how I found out about TheCARDboard, surfing the web looking for info on that 2012 class.  3 wonderful years later and we are anticipating the most talent laden class in our football program's history.

Re: history of recruiting question - larkinforever - 04-15-2015

(04-15-2015, 08:59 AM)Publius link Wrote:[quote author=ferrari link=topic=12027.msg116759#msg116759 date=1429107974]
Bruce Feldman is saying, in reaction to Winston's Wonderlic score, that Winston was accepted at Stanford.  True, false, or rumor?

True.  Which is how I found out about TheCARDboard, surfing the web looking for info on that 2012 class.  3 wonderful years later and we are anticipating the most talent laden class in our football program's history.
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I've wondered about the Winston-Stanford near miss on more than one occasion (usually when he gets into trouble). I knew he had been offered, but I didn't know he had been accepted. Several articles announcing his commitment are all dated August 3, 2011.

Are recruits (even "special" ones) typically accepted that early? I'm presuming the latest date of acceptance might be fairly immediately prior to national signing day, but what would be the earliest date?

Re: history of recruiting question - washingtonismoney - 04-15-2015

(04-15-2015, 09:11 AM)larkinforever link Wrote:Are recruits (even "special" ones) typically accepted that early? I'm presuming the latest date of acceptance might be fairly immediately prior to national signing day, but what would be the earliest date?

Winston was being recruited after his commitment and visited in January.

Re: history of recruiting question - larkinforever - 04-15-2015

(04-15-2015, 09:13 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=larkinforever link=topic=12027.msg116769#msg116769 date=1429114262]

Are recruits (even "special" ones) typically accepted that early? I'm presuming the latest date of acceptance might be fairly immediately prior to national signing day, but what would be the earliest date?

Winston was being recruited after his commitment and visited in January.
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Thanks for the additional info. Says something about him that he cared enough (for whatever reason) to stick with it, including the AP classes, etc., until acceptance/rejection time.

Re: history of recruiting question - CowboyIndian - 04-15-2015

Winston fit a lot of profiles admissions seems to look for:
- African-American from a state from which we get almost no one
- passable academics (I have no idea if this is true or not, but I assume so if he were accepted)
- exceptional HS achievement (being the best HS QB in the country)

Not to mention the 'football-coach-begged-us' admissions premium.

Re: history of recruiting question - JohnR34231 - 04-15-2015

(04-15-2015, 08:41 AM)CompSci87 link Wrote:[quote author=JPRI link=topic=12027.msg116758#msg116758 date=1429106997]
Rosen is reportedly the standout among UCLA QB hopefuls during Bruin spring practices so far. We may get to see how effective he is at the college level sooner rather than later.

Maybe he is smarter than the coaches there.  ;)  ;)
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Funny you should mention that.
Mentally, he's a lot older than I am. Because he's smart." UCLA's 58-year-old OC Noel Mazzone on Josh Rosen. http://bit.ly/1yvSHVn  (VIDEO)
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Re: history of recruiting question - washingtonismoney - 04-15-2015

From time to time you'll hear anecdotal chatter on message boards that Rosen and family made demands Shaw was unwilling to meet. Dunno if true, but the idea is out there.

Re: history of recruiting question - Hank 91 - 04-15-2015

(04-15-2015, 12:58 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:From time to time you'll hear anecdotal chatter on message boards that Rosen and family made demands Shaw was unwilling to meet. Dunno if true, but the idea is out there.

Just out of curiosity, what demands might a recruit make? Playing time? Wear #7 or #12? A guarantee not to be taped to the goal post at any point during summer camp?

Re: history of recruiting question - BobK - 04-15-2015

I suspect the biggest is keeping his own coach. 

Re: history of recruiting question - JohnR34231 - 04-16-2015

(04-15-2015, 08:52 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Time to return to reiterate: true freshman QBs nearly always stink out loud. Rosen leading is probably more of a negative indicator about the other QBs in baby blue and gold than a positive statement about his current ability.

Generally true, but there are exceptions. Kyle Allen at Texas A&M is the one that immediately jumps to mind. Could Rosen be another? Time will tell.

Re: history of recruiting question - CTcard - 04-16-2015

(04-16-2015, 04:42 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Kyle Allen at Texas A&M is the one that immediately jumps to mind.

Kyle Allen's case is mixed - though better than most true frosh qbs.

He took over for the last five games of the season when Kenny Hill got temporarily kicked off the team.
He had good games against Auburn and the bowl game vs West Virginia, but his performance overall wasn't as good as Hill's (rating was 139.5 vs 154.6), and he is still locked in a battle for the starting job with a guy who is having trouble staying out of jail.

Re: history of recruiting question - washingtonismoney - 04-16-2015

Yeah, 6.89 YPA/61.5% completion rate is pretty mediocre.* As CTCard notes, that's actually really good for a true freshman QB. But still, you won't win too many games that way.

* (and that's distorted by his 12/16 for 122 yards performance against Lamar)


Re: history of recruiting question - BobK - 04-16-2015

Page was the only exciting thing about that terrible season

Re: history of recruiting question - TrumpCard - 04-18-2015

A follow up to my original post in this thread.  If you believe that Stanford has the advantage in recruiting battles for California recruits with a 4+ GPA, then look out for Javon McKinley.  He's got his 4.167 GPA posted prominently on his hudl profile.  Scout says he's planning a visit to Stanford when he goes up north for The Opening in Oakland.  I would think Crawford (3.8 as of last summer) and Imatorbhebhe (4.2) can pass admissions muster as well.  When was the last time Stanford got campus visits from 3 admissible WRs of that quality?  I hope Shaw can land at least one of the three.  Of course, let's not forget about Fehoko (almost a 4.0) who seems like a lock to commit, though it sounds like he may take a mission before coming to Stanford.  This is a really great class for academically-oriented WRs. 

Re: history of recruiting question - Mick - 04-18-2015

(04-14-2015, 10:04 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=12027.msg116722#msg116722 date=1429049284]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12027.msg116721#msg116721 date=1429049194]
It's been reported here and elsewhere that the concern was his attitude. 

Yes. That has been reported ...
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He didn't do himself any favors with his appearance on ESPN's Elite 11 special, you'll recall. Trent Dilfer and the other coaches openly questioned whether or not he would be able to learn a college system, not because he wasn't smart enough, but because he would think he knew better than the coaches. That scene explained everything to me.
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I recall reading a somewhat lengthy interview with Rosen.  My initial impression was that it was a put-on, that his ego was so overwhelming that it couldn't possibly be real.

Re: history of recruiting question - JohnR34231 - 04-19-2015

Here's an article on Josh Rosen. Sure makes him sound like an OK guy. Of course, you aren't going to write an article like this and tell it how it is.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/phenom/201408/josh-rosen-quarterback-jewish-catholic-ucla-st-john-bosco-football

Re: history of recruiting question - Mick - 04-19-2015

(04-19-2015, 03:55 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Here's an article on Josh Rosen. Sure makes him sound like an OK guy. Of course, you aren't going to write an article like this and tell it how it is.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/phenom/201408/josh-rosen-quarterback-jewish-catholic-ucla-st-john-bosco-football

He has a pretty lengthy Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Rosen.  Only one of Stanford's 22 recruits from the same year has a Wikipedia page, and it's about his track accomplishments.  It doesn't mention Stanford and doesn't look like it's been updated since 2013.

Todd Husak might have had some insights into Rosen.  He's an alum of St. John Bosco.