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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-14-2025
Tyler Fitzgerald (0.9 WAR), Casey Schmitt (0.6) and Christian Koss (1.6) played most of the games at second base for the Giants (Brett Wisely, 0.3 WAR, played in 13). The gist of this article is that none of the options worked out really well.
Giants Used Trio at Second Base but None Took Hold of Job’s Future
And yet...second base wasn't really their issue. SF had the 12th highest WAR in MLB at 2B. Most of their groups finished poorly, including shortstop (15th), right field (16th), DH (16th), center field (18th), relief pitching (18th), left field (20th), starting pitching (21st), catching (22nd), first base (24th).
Third base/Matt Chapman finished 2nd in all of MLB in terms of WAR, the only position on the Giants to beat out second base.
I imagine that next year the Giants will improve at DH, 1B, SS, CF. Not sure where the other improvement will come from.
(01-12-2025, 11:03 AM)Mick Wrote: With the A's gone to Sacto, and (hopefully) more wins, do you anticipate that Giants attendance will increase?
Between Posey's ascension, Chapman's signing, Adames' signing, Devers' signing, and mid-season trades, the Giants figured out how to put people in seats:
2025 SFG attendance: 2,925,823 7th in MLB
2025 Major League Baseball Attendance & Team Age | Baseball-Reference.com
2024 SFG attendance: 2,647,736, 12th in MLB
2024 Major League Baseball Attendance & Team Age | Baseball-Reference.com
2023 SFG attendance: 2,500,153, 17th in MLB
2023 Major League Baseball Attendance & Team Age | Baseball-Reference.com
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-14-2025
(02-01-2025, 12:56 PM)Mick Wrote: I really hope Buster was deking the entire baseball world when he stated that we were done with the lineup that we have. We missed the wild card spot by nine games which is a big number. Also missing the playoffs, but in front of us were the DBacks (89 wins), the Cubs and Cardinals (83 each).
I don't see the Dodgers (98 wins), Philllies (95), Brewers (93) or Padres (93) falling off much, though the Brewers may drop back a bit. The Braves, Mets and Diamondbacks all won 89.
It will take a minor miracle for the Giants to sniff the playoffs. We lost Snell (2.1), Soler (1.1), Conforto (1.3) and Ta. Rogers (1.1), but not much else. Sabol (0.3). Estrada was -0.5.
Early season prognostications:
Here's what I think needs to happen -- at least 75% of this -- for the Giants to get into the playoffs:
1. Adames needs to keep form, in fact improve a bit from his 3.1 WAR...seems odd his WAR was that low with 32 HRs. 3.6 WAR. Hit.
2. Chapman can't slip, needs at least 6.0 WAR (had 7.1). 4.1 WAR. Miss
3. Wade and Flores needs to return to form and get near .800 OPS (up from .761 and .595 and I sure hope it was just the knee for Wilmer). Miss.
4. Fitzgerald needs to avoid the sophomore slump and keep it up for a full year. It could happen. Miss.
5. Yaz needs a 2.5 WAR year. 1.7 for Giants, 1.0 for Royals. Miss.
6. Bailey needs to extend his hitting from May through the rest of the year. Big ask, I know but he came around in September so it could happen. And a backup catcher needs to emerge. Big Miss at .22/.277/.325/.602.
7. Jung Hoo Lee needs to be a legitimate leadoff man, .375 OBP up from .310. With his contact skills (only 13 strikeouts in 145 ABs) he could get there. Most importantly, he needs to figure it out against the good teams. He kills it against the Nationals, Rockies, Marlins and D'Backs. Miss at .266/.327/.407/.735, although hit 31 doubles and 12 triples...30+/10+ is very difficult to do, Mays did it twice, only five other SF Giants have done it.
8. Oddly enough, I'm not worried about fielding. Ramos/Lee/Yaz should be fine in the OF, we have gold glovers at C, 3B and SS. When healthy, both Wade and Flores are more than competent. But we need to have a big rebound. I should have been worried. Near bottom in Rtot. Miss.
9. Would be nice if Encarnacion could improve, and after a MLB season if he could get to .750 OPS (from .701), that would be acceptable. Failing that, Matos or Luciano would have to improve -- a lot. Hopefully, one of them will be the Ramos of 2025. Matos, OPS of.691; Encarnacion OPS of .578, Luciano didn't play. Miss.
10. I'm cautiously optimistic about the starting pitching. I realize they're overloaded with starters, and I sure hope they can find five that don't suck. Finished 21st in MLB in WAR. Big, big miss.
11. Webb needs some fielding support. Hit. Webb finished 15-11, the team did well when he was pitching
12. Robbie Ray needs a full return from surgery. This is his year. 11-8, 10th in NL in ERA. Calling it a hit.
13. Whatever was bothering Doval needs to be gone. Walker will be the closer, but Doval is still necessary. Miss, for both actually.
14. The good pitchers can't fall back; e.g., Tyler Rogers and Hjelle. Rogers hit, Hjelle miss. 1/2 credit.
15. The injured pitchers from last year need to step up (Hicks, Beck, Winn, etc.). Misses across the board. Best was Beck, he was just okay.
16. Hicks needs to extend. He did 109 innings, would be nice if he could get to 140. Miss. 67 innings.
17. The young pitchers on the cusp of greatness need to step up. Birdsong, Harrison, Roupp, Bivens, Black, etc. Roupp & Bivens kinda did, Harrison traded (but did great with Boston, 3.00 ERA), Black did poorly. Half hit, half miss, a generous grade.
18. Verlander needs to win 13. Miss.
19. We need strong seasons from three of these five: Meckler, Wisely, McCray, Villar and/or Schmitt. Okay season from Schmitt, all others failed. Miss.
20. A big minor league or free agent surprise, maybe Sam Huff who had a great 2023. Hit with Dominic Smith. Big surprise.
I think 15 of the 20 need to happen for the Giants to have a shot at the playoffs. Final score, 5 hits, 15 misses. What is shocking is that we missed the playoffs by just three games at 81-81. Reds made it in with 83 wins, Mets missed it with 83 wins..
The Giants finished 17th in runs per game at 4.28, below MLB average of 4.39. 17th again at 4.35 below MLB average of 4.45. Not good.
The Giants finished 16th in runs allowed per game at 4.31, just better than the 4.39 average. 13th at 4.22 runs allowed, better than league average of 4.45.
The Giants finished 27th in Rtot (-46) in fielding. That's not good. They were average in errors and fielding percentage, actually finished 8th in DPs. Not surprisingly, Giants finished 27th again with a worse Rtot mark at -51. League average was 82 errors, Giants had 95. League fielding average was .986, Giants finished at .984 (23rd).
WAR by position. Disastrous at most positions:
3B 1st. Stay healthy, Chappy. 2nd.
RF 12th. Congrats, Yaz, you get to keep your job. 16th.
1B 15th. Eldridge can't come fast enough. 24th. Rough.
RP 15th. Relief pitching was slightly better than average. 7th. Big improvement.
LF 17th. Ramos should improve that. 20th. Drop.
C 19th. If Bailey bats better, this should improve. 22nd. Big drop.
CF 21st. Lee should improve that. 18th. A little better
DH 21st. Can Jerar do better 16th. Jerar mainly hurt, Smith/Devers/Eldridge/Schmitt did okay.
SP 21st. Starting pitchers should do better this year. 21st. Same.
SS 23rd...but Milwaukee (Adames) was only 19th. Hmmmm. 15th. better.
2B 28th. Hopefully Fitzpatrick changes that. 12th. Schmitt/Fitzpatrick/Koss.
It's said you need to be strong up the middle. C, CF, SS and 2B don't look particularly strong.
Thoughts?
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 10-14-2025
Recipe for success in 2026:
1. Acquire two mid-rotation starting pitchers. Webb, Ray are locks as the 1 and 2 and a healthy Roupp is a solid 5. SF needs a 3 and 4 who can eat a lot of innings. They have assets (e.g., Ramos) that can be moved - make it so, Buster.
2. Rebuild the bullpen. There will be a lot of pitchers looking for jobs this winter. Figure out which one’s are a good fit and sign them. The secret to the success of the three WS wins was the Core 4 - none of them were “sure things” when they arrived in SF but they meshed and became an integral part of the team’s success. Find a new set of relief pitchers who can work together effectively.
3. Improve the defense and team speed. Yep, this is a cut and paste that we have put on our postseason “to do” list for the last several years. Maybe this time………
4. Find a 2B who can field the position and consistently get on base ahead of the core hitters. Yes, this is a very tall order…
5. Get Eldridge up to speed as quickly as possible. Adding him to Devers, Chapman, Adames would give SF a formidable middle of the line up.
There you go. Let’s revisit this in February to see how many boxes were checked…..
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-14-2025
(10-14-2025, 01:37 PM)Giants Wrote: Recipe for success in 2026:
My thoughts on your thoughts:
1. Acquire two mid-rotation starting pitchers. Webb, Ray are locks as the 1 and 2 and a healthy Roupp is a solid 5. SF needs a 3 and 4 who can eat a lot of innings. They have assets (e.g., Ramos) that can be moved - make it so, Buster. Roupp had the #70 xwOBA and #53 ERA in all of baseball. I'd say he's closer to a #3 starter than a #5 starter. But we need the two best starters we can afford. And what about Verlander? When he started going majority off-speed, he went from a 4.44 ERA to a 2.70 ERA (which would have been #13 in MLB). I'd like to keep him if we could. It wouldn't break my heart if we traded Gold Glover Bailey or former All-Star Ramos for one...although Ramos is only going to be 26. Maybe keep him.
2. Rebuild the bullpen. There will be a lot of pitchers looking for jobs this winter. Figure out which one’s are a good fit and sign them. The secret to the success of the three WS wins was the Core 4 - none of them were “sure things” when they arrived in SF but they meshed and became an integral part of the team’s success. Find a new set of relief pitchers who can work together effectively. They were #7 in MLB in relief pitching WAR. Toughest think will be to find a closer, and I think it's going to be Peguero.
3. Improve the defense and team speed. Yep, this is a cut and paste that we have put on our postseason “to do” list for the last several years. Maybe this time………would love it, but...Devers, Adames, Eldridge, Encarnacion, Smith, Fitzpatrick, Chapman, Ramos just aren't that fast, and neither is "Grandson of the Light Breeze" J. H. Lee.
4. Find a 2B who can field the position and consistently get on base ahead of the core hitters. Yes, this is a very tall order…Unless he comes through trade, I just don't see it. The FAs aren't any better than Koss or Schmitt, except maybe Gleyber Torres....and he wants a multi-year deal. Castro, Moore, Rosario and Frazier aren't as good.
5. Get Eldridge up to speed as quickly as possible. Adding him to Devers, Chapman, Adames would give SF a formidable middle of the line up. Ramos, 21 home runs. Schmitt had 12 in 95 games, Fitz had 4 in 72 games and Koss had 3 in 74 games (they can go quietly)
6. Matos is only 23. Give him a full year in RF. Otherwise, get Kyle Tucker or Cody Bellinger in RF.
7. Maybe get Yaz and/or Rogers back.
8. Get a new hitting coach with the new manager, re-learn how to do the little things well.
Incidentally, the Giants will do very well in arbitration. Highest projected isRyan Walker at $2.5 million, then Bailey at $2.2 million.
There you go. Let’s revisit this in February to see how many boxes were checked…..
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 10-14-2025
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Recipe for success in 2026:
My thoughts on your thoughts:
1. Acquire two mid-rotation starting pitchers. Webb, Ray are locks as the 1 and 2 and a healthy Roupp is a solid 5. SF needs a 3 and 4 who can eat a lot of innings. They have assets (e.g., Ramos) that can be moved - make it so, Buster. Roupp had the #70 xwOBA and #53 ERA in all of baseball. I'd say he's closer to a #3 starter than a #5 starter. But we need the two best starters we can afford. And what about Verlander? When he started going majority off-speed, he went from a 4.44 ERA to a 2.70 ERA (which would have been #13 in MLB). I'd like to keep him if we could. It wouldn't break my heart if we traded Gold Glover Bailey or former All-Star Ramos for one...although Ramos is only going to be 26. Maybe keep him.
2. Rebuild the bullpen. There will be a lot of pitchers looking for jobs this winter. Figure out which one’s are a good fit and sign them. The secret to the success of the three WS wins was the Core 4 - none of them were “sure things” when they arrived in SF but they meshed and became an integral part of the team’s success. Find a new set of relief pitchers who can work together effectively. They were #7 in MLB in relief pitching WAR. Toughest think will be to find a closer, and I think it's going to be Peguero.
3. Improve the defense and team speed. Yep, this is a cut and paste that we have put on our postseason “to do” list for the last several years. Maybe this time………would love it, but...Devers, Adames, Eldridge, Encarnacion, Smith, Fitzpatrick, Chapman, Ramos just aren't that fast, and neither is "Grandson of the Light Breeze" J. H. Lee.
4. Find a 2B who can field the position and consistently get on base ahead of the core hitters. Yes, this is a very tall order…Unless he comes through trade, I just don't see it. The FAs aren't any better than Koss or Schmitt, except maybe Gleyber Torres....and he wants a multi-year deal. Castro, Moore, Rosario and Frazier aren't as good.
5. Get Eldridge up to speed as quickly as possible. Adding him to Devers, Chapman, Adames would give SF a formidable middle of the line up. Ramos, 21 home runs. Schmitt had 12 in 95 games, Fitz had 4 in 72 games and Koss had 3 in 74 games (they can go quietly)
6. Matos is only 23. Give him a full year in RF. Otherwise, get Kyle Tucker or Cody Bellinger in RF.
7. Maybe get Yaz and/or Rogers back.
8. Get a new hitting coach with the new manager, re-learn how to do the little things well.
Incidentally, the Giants will do very well in arbitration. Highest projected isRyan Walker at $2.5 million, then Bailey at $2.2 million.
There you go. Let’s revisit this in February to see how many boxes were checked…..
One of the few things that is a 99.9% lock is Bailey will be the Giants’ #1 catcher next year. He is a top candidate for the Platinum Glove this year (the best defender, regardless of position, in MLB). Posey knows the value of a premier defender behind the plate. Bailey can hit .230 and still be a big plus for the team.
Otherwise, no to Yaz and Verlander, the team needs to move forward with younger guys and no to Tucker/Bellinger (too expensive) and no to Matos, gambling that he will suddenly find his way is too much of a risk - there are better choices out there and, lastly, trade Ramos and his Dr. Strangeglove to any taker…
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-14-2025
(10-14-2025, 08:16 PM)Giants Wrote: One of the few things that is a 99.9% lock is Bailey will be the Giants’ #1 catcher next year. He is a top candidate for the Platinum Glove this year (the best defender, regardless of position, in MLB). Posey knows the value of a premier defender behind the plate. Bailey can hit .230 and still be a big plus for the team.
That's pretty close. Platinum gloves are awarded in each league. There hasn't been a catcher win the platinum glove in the NL since Yadier Molina, who won four between 2011 and 2015. Maybe 2026 will be Bailey's turn, he's won one GG in three years.
Bailey's stats are always interesting. We know that he finished first or second all three years in catching would-be base stealers, and he was first in assists this year among catchers with 57. He played more games this year at 132 -- most in the NL -- that was great, 2nd catcher-double plays with nine. 2nd in passed balls with 8, 4th in errors with 7.
He's a great fielder, best defensive catcher in baseball, 3.2fWAR, and he's cheap. His fielding run value of 30 led MLB by a wide margin. Maybe a new hitting coach will help.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-17-2025
(10-14-2025, 09:56 AM)Mick Wrote: Tyler Fitzgerald (0.9 WAR), Casey Schmitt (0.6) and Christian Koss (1.6) played most of the games at second base for the Giants (Brett Wisely, 0.3 WAR, played in 13). The gist of this article is that none of the options worked out really well.
Giants Used Trio at Second Base but None Took Hold of Job’s Future
And yet...second base wasn't really their issue. SF had the 12th highest WAR in MLB at 2B. Most of their groups finished poorly, including shortstop (15th), right field (16th), DH (16th), center field (18th), relief pitching (18th), left field (20th), starting pitching (21st), catching (22nd), first base (24th).
Third base/Matt Chapman finished 2nd in all of MLB in terms of WAR, the only position on the Giants to beat out second base.
I imagine that next year the Giants will improve at DH, 1B, SS, CF. Not sure where the other improvement will come from.
(01-12-2025, 11:03 AM)Mick Wrote: With the A's gone to Sacto, and (hopefully) more wins, do you anticipate that Giants attendance will increase?
Between Posey's ascension, Chapman's signing, Adames' signing, Devers' signing, and mid-season trades, the Giants figured out how to put people in seats:
2025 SFG attendance: 2,925,823 7th in MLB
2025 Major League Baseball Attendance & Team Age | Baseball-Reference.com
2024 SFG attendance: 2,647,736, 12th in MLB
2024 Major League Baseball Attendance & Team Age | Baseball-Reference.com
2023 SFG attendance: 2,500,153, 17th in MLB
2023 Major League Baseball Attendance & Team Age | Baseball-Reference.com
Buster did well in his first year. He got rid of 10 players who had combined for 6.2 bWAR in 2024 who collectively declined to -0.9 bWAR. One (Casali) was out of baseball, eight of the remaining nine played worse. He added eight players who were collectively worth 1.8bWAR in 2024, and in 2025 they delivered 5.7 bWAR with six of the eight improving. Pretty darned good there, Buster.
Stats show Buster Posey got a lot of value from offseason moves for SF Giants
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-18-2025
Giants fielding was basically middle-of-the-pack in 2025:
1. 18 Defensive Runs Saved (16th in MLB). Patrick Bailey had 19, Koss had eight, Fitzgerald had seven, Webb had seven.
2. 16 Fielding Run Value (10th in MLB). Bailey led MLB with 31 FRV, second most was Rafaela/Red Sox and Kirk/Blue Jays with 22.
3. -23 Outs Against Average (23rd in MLB). OAA does not capture catcher's defensive value, so... Giants infield was -5 OAA (17th in MLB), Giants Outfield was -18 OAA.
Where did the SF Giants rank in key defensive metrics in 2025?
Both Bailey and Webb let MLB in SABR Defensive Index (SDI) at their respective positions. That's 25% of the Gold Glove voting, the rest is manager/coach voting. Vote has already taken place, winners announced on November 2.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - old spanish trail - 10-18-2025
My good friend in Memphis is tres upset. He says everyone is sure Tennesee's BB coach, Tony Vitello, is going to sign with the Giants. They love him in Tenn.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-18-2025
Lots of media outlets are reporting that they are closing in on a Tony Vitello deal.
He would be the first manager hired from college that had no professional baseball experience:
SF Giants reportedly 'closing in' on hiring college coach as manager
Not exactly a direct comparison, but a little EUTM could really help the SF Giants. Last time the Giants had a really enthusiastic manager, "Humm Baby" Roger Craig, they went from consecutive seasons of 66-96 and 62-100 (Jim Davenport) to Roger Craig's first of five consecutive seasons of winning baseball between 1986 and 1990, with two first place divisional finishes.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-19-2025
Sunday, Fun day...
- Rumor is that POsey thinks the Giants lack confidence and he wants a big personality as their manager.
- Vitello has a $3 million buyout at Tennessee. And if Craig Counsell makes $40 mms. in five years, what do you pay Vitello?
- Rumors that Atlanta might be interested in Vitello as well.
- I've been thinking for quite a while that the Giants underperform with the talent they have and need someone to get more and better results. But a college coach?
- I hope the new coach knows how stolen bases work...
- Fun fact: Vitello was the associate head coach of the Salinas Packers in 2002. They finished 50-14.
- Curious to know who Vitello would select as bench/3B/1B/hitting/pitching coaches. Maybe keep Hallberg as bench coach. Jayce Tingler, bench coach for Minnesota, fluent Spanish speaker, is a close friend of Vitello's and managed San Diego from 2020 to 2021. Brandon Hyde, managed the Orioles, from Santa Rosa, fired as Manager of Orioles in May. Won 101 games in 2023, 91 in 2024. Vance Wilson, 3B coach of Royals.
- I realize the Giants have some big egos on the team. So do college teams...
- This is extremely high-risk, high-reward. Like hiring a former star ballplayer with no executive experience as team president.
- Apropos of nothing: the model from-college-to-MLB manager, Pat Murphy from Arizona State, just watched his 97-win Brewers have the fewest hits of any span of six games in the postseason -- ever -- with just 23 hits. And it's not close...the next worst were the 2022 Yankees (29, lost the ALCS) and 2017 Cubs (29, lost the NLDS). and the 1974 A's (won the WS, and five of the six games in that span)
- Jung Hoo Lee has an opt-out after 2027 (Year Four) of his deal. If he opts in, he gets $20.5 million in both 2028 and 2029. Hopefully, his stamina picks up. He hit .319 for the first month of the season.
- Based upon top to bottom salary expectations, the Giants have $184.4 million committed against the Competitive Balance Tax.(CBT). The CBT threshold is $244 million, so the Giants have almost $60 million to play with.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 10-19-2025
Murphy was Milwaukee’s bench coach for eight prior to becoming their manager. No one has ever gone directly from college head coach to MLB field manager (until now?).
My thoughts - why not? If he could simply get the players to focus on their job while they are on the field, it would be a major step forward. Too many times, we saw fundamental mistakes by the Giants; errors of omission and commission. Clean those up, add Max Scherzer, a fiery competitor and good friend of Vitello (per The Athletic), another starting pitcher and some bullpen arms and suddenly you have a serious wild card contender.
Easy peasy…..
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-20-2025
(10-19-2025, 03:59 PM)Giants Wrote: Murphy was Milwaukee’s bench coach for eight prior to becoming their manager. No one has ever gone directly from college head coach to MLB field manager (until now?).
My thoughts - why not? If he could simply get the players to focus on their job while they are on the field, it would be a major step forward. Too many times, we saw fundamental mistakes by the Giants; errors of omission and commission. Clean those up, add Max Scherzer, a fiery competitor and good friend of Vitello (per The Athletic), another starting pitcher and some bullpen arms and suddenly you have a serious wild card contender.
Easy peasy…..
Works for me. I think it's a great idea. How come it's not done yet?
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 10-20-2025
(10-20-2025, 06:11 AM)Mick Wrote:(10-19-2025, 03:59 PM)Giants Wrote: Murphy was Milwaukee’s bench coach for eight prior to becoming their manager. No one has ever gone directly from college head coach to MLB field manager (until now?).
My thoughts - why not? If he could simply get the players to focus on their job while they are on the field, it would be a major step forward. Too many times, we saw fundamental mistakes by the Giants; errors of omission and commission. Clean those up, add Max Scherzer, a fiery competitor and good friend of Vitello (per The Athletic), another starting pitcher and some bullpen arms and suddenly you have a serious wild card contender.
Easy peasy…..
Works for me. I think it's a great idea. How come it's not done yet?
Money…
He makes $3 million/year at Tenn. (a no income tax state) plus a $3 million buyout if he leaves the Vols. That adds up to a pricey payout by SF.
Just guessing…
$3.5 million/year on a four year contract plus a one time $3 million charge for the buyout plus additional monies (10%) to cover the difference in state taxes.
That equals $18.4 million ($14M + $3M + $1.4M).
That would put Vitello in the top seven* of current major league managers. I’m guessing that is what they are talking about at this point.
* Roberts, Counsell, Cora, Lovullo, Boone, Vogt are the Top 6.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-20-2025
(10-20-2025, 05:22 PM)Giants Wrote:(10-20-2025, 06:11 AM)Mick Wrote:(10-19-2025, 03:59 PM)Giants Wrote: Murphy was Milwaukee’s bench coach for eight prior to becoming their manager. No one has ever gone directly from college head coach to MLB field manager (until now?).
My thoughts - why not? If he could simply get the players to focus on their job while they are on the field, it would be a major step forward. Too many times, we saw fundamental mistakes by the Giants; errors of omission and commission. Clean those up, add Max Scherzer, a fiery competitor and good friend of Vitello (per The Athletic), another starting pitcher and some bullpen arms and suddenly you have a serious wild card contender.
Easy peasy…..
Works for me. I think it's a great idea. How come it's not done yet?
Money…
He makes $3 million/year at Tenn. (a no income tax state) plus a $3 million buyout if he leaves the Vols. That adds up to a pricey payout by SF.
Just guessing…
$3.5 million/year on a four year contract plus a one time $3 million charge for the buyout plus additional monies (10%) to cover the difference in state taxes.
That equals $18.4 million ($14M + $3M + $1.4M).
That would put Vitello in the top seven* of current major league managers. I’m guessing that is what they are talking about at this point.
* Roberts, Counsell, Cora, Lovullo, Boone, Vogt are the Top 6.
Could it also be possible that certain highly placed players communicated their extreme lack of interest in working for a manager who's never coached in MLB before? No inside information, just spitballing...But if I'm Devers or Chapman or Adames or Webb, do I want to work for that guy? Judging from the reception Gilbert receives (one of Vitello's players), it wouldn't surprise me. Just sayin'...
Interesting aside...the stadium in Tennessee is Lindsay Nelson stadium, named after the former SF Giants announcer (1979 - 1981). He was born & raised in Tennessee, graduated from Tennessee, lived there in the off season.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - BostonCard - 10-20-2025
So, is everyone here going to be a Jays fan for the World Series?
BC
RE: SF Giants 2025 - PVTree - 10-20-2025
No. Go Dodgers! Do it for Fernando!
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 10-20-2025
(10-20-2025, 08:43 PM)BostonCard Wrote: So, is everyone here going to be a Jays fan for the World Series?
BC
Do you even need to ask that question? Oh Canada!
(10-20-2025, 07:20 PM)Mick Wrote:(10-20-2025, 05:22 PM)Giants Wrote:(10-20-2025, 06:11 AM)Mick Wrote:(10-19-2025, 03:59 PM)Giants Wrote: Murphy was Milwaukee’s bench coach for eight prior to becoming their manager. No one has ever gone directly from college head coach to MLB field manager (until now?).
My thoughts - why not? If he could simply get the players to focus on their job while they are on the field, it would be a major step forward. Too many times, we saw fundamental mistakes by the Giants; errors of omission and commission. Clean those up, add Max Scherzer, a fiery competitor and good friend of Vitello (per The Athletic), another starting pitcher and some bullpen arms and suddenly you have a serious wild card contender.
Easy peasy…..
Works for me. I think it's a great idea. How come it's not done yet?
Money…
He makes $3 million/year at Tenn. (a no income tax state) plus a $3 million buyout if he leaves the Vols. That adds up to a pricey payout by SF.
Just guessing…
$3.5 million/year on a four year contract plus a one time $3 million charge for the buyout plus additional monies (10%) to cover the difference in state taxes.
That equals $18.4 million ($14M + $3M + $1.4M).
That would put Vitello in the top seven* of current major league managers. I’m guessing that is what they are talking about at this point.
* Roberts, Counsell, Cora, Lovullo, Boone, Vogt are the Top 6.
Could it also be possible that certain highly placed players communicated their extreme lack of interest in working for a manager who's never coached in MLB before? No inside information, just spitballing...But if I'm Devers or Chapman or Adames or Webb, do I want to work for that guy? Judging from the reception Gilbert receives (one of Vitello's players), it wouldn't surprise me. Just sayin'...
Interesting aside...the stadium in Tennessee is Lindsay Nelson stadium, named after the former SF Giants announcer (1979 - 1981). He was born & raised in Tennessee, graduated from Tennessee, lived there in the off season.
They are professionals. They just want to win. Vitello will be judged on his ability to communicate his vision to the players. No B.S. just a clear definition of the role each player will be expected to play.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-21-2025
(10-20-2025, 11:41 PM)Giants Wrote:(10-20-2025, 08:43 PM)BostonCard Wrote: So, is everyone here going to be a Jays fan for the World Series?
BC
Do you even need to ask that question? Oh Canada!
(10-20-2025, 07:20 PM)Mick Wrote:(10-20-2025, 05:22 PM)Giants Wrote:(10-20-2025, 06:11 AM)Mick Wrote:(10-19-2025, 03:59 PM)Giants Wrote: Murphy was Milwaukee’s bench coach for eight prior to becoming their manager. No one has ever gone directly from college head coach to MLB field manager (until now?).
My thoughts - why not? If he could simply get the players to focus on their job while they are on the field, it would be a major step forward. Too many times, we saw fundamental mistakes by the Giants; errors of omission and commission. Clean those up, add Max Scherzer, a fiery competitor and good friend of Vitello (per The Athletic), another starting pitcher and some bullpen arms and suddenly you have a serious wild card contender.
Easy peasy…..
Works for me. I think it's a great idea. How come it's not done yet?
Money…
He makes $3 million/year at Tenn. (a no income tax state) plus a $3 million buyout if he leaves the Vols. That adds up to a pricey payout by SF.
Just guessing…
$3.5 million/year on a four year contract plus a one time $3 million charge for the buyout plus additional monies (10%) to cover the difference in state taxes.
That equals $18.4 million ($14M + $3M + $1.4M).
That would put Vitello in the top seven* of current major league managers. I’m guessing that is what they are talking about at this point.
* Roberts, Counsell, Cora, Lovullo, Boone, Vogt are the Top 6.
Could it also be possible that certain highly placed players communicated their extreme lack of interest in working for a manager who's never coached in MLB before? No inside information, just spitballing...But if I'm Devers or Chapman or Adames or Webb, do I want to work for that guy? Judging from the reception Gilbert receives (one of Vitello's players), it wouldn't surprise me. Just sayin'...
Interesting aside...the stadium in Tennessee is Lindsay Nelson stadium, named after the former SF Giants announcer (1979 - 1981). He was born & raised in Tennessee, graduated from Tennessee, lived there in the off season.
They are professionals. They just want to win. Vitello will be judged on his ability to communicate his vision to the players. No B.S. just a clear definition of the role each player will be expected to play.
Well, he's got his work cut out for him. They're slightly below average hitters (99 OPS+). What gives me hope is that their FIP (3.76) was second best among MLB pitching staff's. WHIP was MLB average, 1.297. They gave up the fewest HRs, 104 ERA+, so slightly better than average adjusted for Oracle. All in all, exactly what you'd expect from an 81-81 team. Fielding was, depending on the metric, between slightly below average and atrocious.
Overall, the Giants were 28-30 in one-run games. If they could just go 37-21...a nine game turnaround...they'd be very well positioned for the postseason. Maybe a college coach can improve their focus and enthusiasm to that point.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 10-21-2025
(10-20-2025, 11:41 PM)Giants Wrote:(10-20-2025, 06:11 AM)Mick Wrote: Could it also be possible that certain highly placed players communicated their extreme lack of interest in working for a manager who's never coached in MLB before? No inside information, just spitballing...But if I'm Devers or Chapman or Adames or Webb, do I want to work for that guy? Judging from the reception Gilbert receives (one of Vitello's players), it wouldn't surprise me. Just sayin'...
They are professionals. They just want to win. Vitello will be judged on his ability to communicate his vision to the players. No B.S. just a clear definition of the role each player will be expected to play.
Krukow's thoughts on this topic:
Mike Krukow warns of 'some issues' with SF Giants potentially hiring Tony Vitello