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Re: @OSU Game Thread - washingtonismoney - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 10:14 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Maybe Im being pop psychologist here, but I have a feeling that Chrysts problems are mental.Â
I think Bloomgren more-or-less explicitly said this. I can't find the quote, but I distinctly recall him saying something like, "Well, Chryst saw Costello rip it and it freed him to go rip it too" after... the Oregon game, maybe? Dunno.
But they definitely seem to favor Chryst to a high degree. Remember, even when Burns "won" the job in 2016, he didn't truly win it. Chryst was still rotating in for much of the early season. Then of course they switched to Chryst.
Obviously, this year, they went back to Chryst basically as soon as they got the opportunity. Unlike the early part of 2016 -- when Chryst got some drives here or there -- Costello's role has decreased, despite Shaw saying a) Costello was playing well, b) Costello would keep getting series, and c) he didn't like how Chryst and Burns had virtually no experience in 2016 and would try to avoid that situation going into the future. All of these things would indicate at least giving Costello a shot tonight. No shot!
The only conclusion is that something Chryst is doing in practice or whatever enamors the coaches and he will be at the very worst a rotational QB for the entirety of his career.Â
Re: @OSU Game Thread - teejers1 - 10-26-2017
Didn't watch the 2H (didn't clean toilets, either - instead ran some errands). I admire many of the folks here for keeping good humor in what must have been a dreadful viewing experience.
Martyup, your gifs are still money - in good times and in bad.
P.S. Tycho . . . brilliant!
Re: @OSU Game Thread - ChicagoCard - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 10:22 PM)deepred link Wrote:What baffles me is Shaw was willing to play two QBs against Utah and Oregon, when Chryst wasn't playing this poorly. So why doesn't he play his second QB when Chryst is struggling?
The perverse psychology of not being able to give up on a lost cause? Although I hate to refer to it as that.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - CowboyIndian - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 10:14 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:I think they are waiting for the light to go off,
I think we have been watching the light go off.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - CompSci87 - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 10:28 PM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17791.msg208521#msg208521 date=1509081279]
I think they are waiting for the light to go off,
I think we have been watching the light go off.
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Yeah, the phrase Stanford coaches have used for when a player suddenly "gets it" and starts playing well is "the light goes on".
Re: @OSU Game Thread - d4cohn - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 10:19 PM)amartinsu13 link Wrote:18.8 QBR for Chryst. Abysmal.
SDSU was actually worse. 4.8 QBR on 72 yards passing.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - JJJ - 10-27-2017
(10-26-2017, 09:14 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17791.msg208381#msg208381 date=1509077569]
The fade is a play I hate, but Arcega-Whiteside is so good at it I don't mind at all.
As lex pointed out, it isnt really a fade in the traditional sense. Its more of a jump ball, let JJAW or Parkinson establish position and bring it down.
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Very fair, but given that it isn't the ref throwing the ball up in the air, may I suggest "alley-oop" as an alternative moniker? Even though he won't then "dunk" it over the crossbar? :P
Re: @OSU Game Thread - Hurlburt88 - 10-27-2017
I had a 2am wake up so missed second half. How many yards did Nall end up gaining?  And is Love in a boot? I only saw upper body shots in first half, and he did look like he was limping slightly when he walked.Â
Re: @OSU Game Thread - Mick - 10-27-2017
(10-26-2017, 09:45 PM)ThePOC link Wrote:So, I've had some time to collect my thoughts and I've figured it out. Shaw didn't put Costello in because he wanted the team to struggle mightily so the Hman voters would see how valuable Love is.
Brillant.
I don't know that Shaw intended this, but AFAIK, that's the result. Without Love, this offense is heinous to watch.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - newguy - 10-27-2017
i think i just figured out why Shaw didn't put Costello in during the 2nd half.
earlier in this thread, someone said that the female reporter asked Shaw at halftime if he was going to put Costello in for a series or two, and apparently, the look on his face showed utter disdain. if she hadn't asked that question, i'm thinkin' KJ plays at least a few series.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - stupac2 - 10-27-2017
(10-26-2017, 10:23 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:The only conclusion is that something Chryst is doing in practice or whatever enamors the coaches and he will be at the very worst a rotational QB for the entirety of his career.
Given the evidence it seems fairly clear at this point that, in practice, you get Good Chryst. There's nothing on the line, he can play loose, etc. But when there are problems (at SDSU where the line was bad, at USC when we got down early, at Oregon State where we didn't have Love) he stops playing loose and we see Bad Chryst. As you've said the coaches mostly see Good Chryst. They know he can be good, better than Hogan even, and can't force themselves to see that he can also be the worst QB we've fielded since 2007.
I have to say that the handling of this QB situation is by far the most baffling thing this coaching staff has done.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - ChicagoCard - 10-27-2017
(10-27-2017, 06:54 AM)newguy link Wrote:i think i just figured out why Shaw didn't put Costello in during the 2nd half.
earlier in this thread, someone said that the female reporter asked Shaw at halftime if he was going to put Costello in for a series or two, and apparently, the look on his face showed utter disdain. if she hadn't asked that question, i'm thinkin' KJ plays at least a few series.
This is plain dumb.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - jacketree - 10-27-2017
(10-27-2017, 05:51 AM)hurlburt88 link Wrote:I had a 2am wake up so missed second half. How many yards did Nall end up gaining?  And is Love in a boot? I only saw upper body shots in first half, and he did look like he was limping slightly when he walked.
Love was in a boot and limping noticeably. That's after nearly two weeks of rest. Although if I wore one ski boot and one normal shoe, I'd be limping regardless of the health of my ankle.
There's trouble in River City now. Without Love the team is under water.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - OutsiderFan - 10-27-2017
(10-27-2017, 07:42 AM)jacketree link Wrote:There's trouble in River City now. Without Love the team is under water.
I don't believe this is the case unless the QB position is dreadful. And no QB that should be playing would be dreadful with all the protection the OL is now affording.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - csfoster - 10-27-2017
On to the next perplexing dilemma. :)
Re: @OSU Game Thread - washingtonismoney - 10-27-2017
(10-27-2017, 07:01 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:Given the evidence it seems fairly clear at this point that, in practice, you get Good Chryst. There's nothing on the line, he can play loose, etc. But when there are problems (at SDSU where the line was bad, at U$C when we got down early, at Oregon State where we didn't have Love) he stops playing loose and we see Bad Chryst. As you've said the coaches mostly see Good Chryst. They know he can be good, better than Hogan even, and can't force themselves to see that he can also be the worst QB we've fielded since 2007.
Right -- and making it more seductive for them is that we occasionally see Good Chryst on the field. We even see Good Chryst when all logic dictates he should be crushed by pressure.
Consider the Utah game. Tough rough environment -- way tougher than half-empty Reser Stadium. Good team, good defense. Well-coached opposition. First game back from a concussion. Fans want your backup to play. To me, seems like a pressure-packed situation! Yet the consensus from fans is that Chryst either played even with Costello or actually outplayed him. (Certainly statistically Chryst did.) So why no pressure there, but plenty of pressure against lowly Oregon State?
The mind's a crazy thing, and training it is tough. Sometimes players mature and grow past inconsistency -- Josh Garnett is one guy I remember being very inconsistent early in his career and maturing (obviously) into a dominant guard. So it's not as if it never happens. It's just that Chryst is old in college-player terms and very unlikely to see it happen. Might still happen, but then sometimes your roulette number comes up too.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - Goose - 10-27-2017
(10-27-2017, 07:01 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:Given the evidence it seems fairly clear at this point that, in practice, you get Good Chryst. There's nothing on the line, he can play loose, etc. But when there are problems (at SDSU where the line was bad, at U$C when we got down early, at Oregon State where we didn't have Love) he stops playing loose and we see Bad Chryst. As you've said the coaches mostly see Good Chryst. They know he can be good, better than Hogan even, and can't force themselves to see that he can also be the worst QB we've fielded since 2007.Probably true. In the Oregon game, everything work as planned, just like practice. Good Chryst.
Quote:I have to say that the handling of this QB situation is by far the most baffling thing this coaching staff has done.You aren't baffled by it. I think you just explained it. However, at some point the coaches have to understand that the "Good Chryst" isn't reproducable in a pressure situation.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - stupac2 - 10-27-2017
(10-27-2017, 10:46 AM)Goose link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=17791.msg208621#msg208621 date=1509112911]Probably true. In the Oregon game, everything work as planned, just like practice. Good Chryst.
Given the evidence it seems fairly clear at this point that, in practice, you get Good Chryst. There's nothing on the line, he can play loose, etc. But when there are problems (at SDSU where the line was bad, at U$C when we got down early, at Oregon State where we didn't have Love) he stops playing loose and we see Bad Chryst. As you've said the coaches mostly see Good Chryst. They know he can be good, better than Hogan even, and can't force themselves to see that he can also be the worst QB we've fielded since 2007.
Quote:I have to say that the handling of this QB situation is by far the most baffling thing this coaching staff has done.You aren't baffled by it. I think you just explained it. However, at some point the coaches have to understand that the "Good Chryst" isn't reproducable in a pressure situation.
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I'm still baffled by it because the evidence that Chryst can have really, really bad games is very readily available to them, and I have trouble believing that Costello is somehow less prepared than he was against Oregon and Utah. Given that the two have similar demonstrated upsides, I really don't understand not playing Costello against ORST.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - ChicagoCard - 10-27-2017
I was tempted to make this a new thread. I know it felt like mere luck to get the late turnover but it dawned on me that I haven't seen anybody give Peter K credit for a great tackle and caused fumble by Nall. Game hero, Kalambayi.
Re: @OSU Game Thread - Card Fan in OR - 10-27-2017
(10-27-2017, 04:54 PM)ChicagoTree link Wrote:I was tempted to make this a new thread. I know it felt like mere luck to get the late turnover but it dawned on me that I haven't seen anybody give Peter K credit for a great tackle and caused fumble by Nall. Game hero, Kalambayi.
+1.