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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 11-02-2025
AJ Pierzynski tops my list of former Giants that I intensely disliked.
The best World Series in my lifetime by far is the 1960 Series. The Pirates were overmatched (the Yankees destroyed Pittsburgh three times) but won Game 7 on a Maz miracle.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - BobK - 11-03-2025
Logan Webb won the Gold Glove. Who was the last Giants pitcher to win one ?
triangle2 - triangle2 - 11-03-2025
The guy who could have been a body double for William Conrad in “Cannon”.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - BobK - 11-03-2025
Gee one 5-8 one 6-4. lol. Conrad was marshal Dillon on radio’s Gunsmoke
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 11-03-2025
(11-03-2025, 08:13 AM)BobK Wrote: Logan Webb won the Gold Glove. Who was the last Giants pitcher to win one ?
Reuschel
RE: SF Giants 2025 - PalmTree - 11-03-2025
(11-03-2025, 01:10 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-03-2025, 08:13 AM)BobK Wrote: Logan Webb won the Gold Glove. Who was the last Giants pitcher to win one ?
Reuschel
Yup - this was in the Trivia thread just a few weeks ago
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 11-03-2025
(11-03-2025, 01:26 PM)PalmTree Wrote:(11-03-2025, 01:10 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-03-2025, 08:13 AM)BobK Wrote: Logan Webb won the Gold Glove. Who was the last Giants pitcher to win one ?
Reuschel
Yup - this was in the Trivia thread just a few weeks ago
Reuschel was credited with the win as a Giant but played most of that season as a Pirate. He had eight starts as a Giant and 25 as a Pirate. Terrific Giant, had his best years of a 19 year career with the Giants, went 44-30 with them.
BTW, you may recall that ex-Giant, Mauricio Dubon won the GG at Utiility in 2023. He did it again in 2025, it was announced.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 11-05-2025
Boch is back.
Per The Athletic, Bruce Bochy is in the process of finalizing a contract with the Giants. Along with Dusty Baker, he will function as a Special Assistant to Buster Posey. It appears that Posey is developing a strong support system for Tony Vitello as he transitions to the big leagues.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 11-08-2025
Fun Fielding Facts.
I can't help but think that fielding is the easiest to turn around in an off-season and spring training, particularly given some of the Giants' sloppiness and poor overall defensive performance. Their pitching and hitting was just above and just below average, but their fielding was atrocious, near the bottom of MLB.
There are some positives, all in MLB position except when noted as NL-only:
Adames led all of MLB with most assists (398) and third most games (158), also third most DPs (76), and 5th best range factor in NL (3.78)
Bailey was the best catcher in the field by most metrics.
Chapman had fifth most putouts at 3B (93), 2nd most DPs (30), 4th best range factor (2.50)...and 4th most errors (13)...4th best fielding % in NL (.961)
Ramos had second most games in LF (154) and 5th most putouts (284), but the most errors (9) as LF and third most of all outfielders. 4th most assists in NL and 4th best range factor.
Jung Hoo Lee had 4th most games in CF (147), 4th most assists (7), Tthird most DPs (2)
Webb had 2nd most assists as pitcher (34), 5th best range factor (1.21) and most DPs (3) tied with Bivens.
Robbie Ray was one of 21 starting pitchers in MLB with zero errors (also former Giants Gausman and Rodon).
Yaz had second most assists in NL (9)
RE: SF Giants 2025 - qwerty49 - 11-08-2025
(11-08-2025, 12:46 PM)Mick Wrote: Fun Fielding Facts.
I can't help but think that fielding is the easiest to turn around in an off-season and spring training, particularly given some of the Giants' sloppiness and poor overall defensive performance. Their pitching and hitting was just above and just below average, but their fielding was atrocious, near the bottom of MLB.
There are some positives, all in MLB position except when noted as NL-only:
Adames led all of MLB with most assists (398) and third most games (158), also third most DPs (76), and 5th best range factor in NL (3.78)
Bailey was the best catcher in the field by most metrics.
Chapman had fifth most putouts at 3B (93), 2nd most DPs (30), 4th best range factor (2.50)...and 4th most errors (13)...4th best fielding % in NL (.961)
Ramos had second most games in LF (154) and 5th most putouts (284), but the most errors (9) as LF and third most of all outfielders. 4th most assists in NL and 4th best range factor.
Jung Hoo Lee had 4th most games in CF (147), 4th most assists (7), Tthird most DPs (2)
Webb had 2nd most assists as pitcher (34), 5th best range factor (1.21) and most DPs (3) tied with Bivens.
Robbie Ray was one of 21 starting pitchers in MLB with zero errors (also former Giants Gausman and Rodon).
Yaz had second most assists in NL (9)
Interesting stats, Mick, especially about Yaz's 9 assists. I never got the impression that he had a rifle arm, but probably because I wasn't paying close enough attention.
But upon reflection, can OF assists be misleading? I seem to remember Clemente had close to 40 assists one year early in his career with the Pirates, and never came close again -- probably because word got around not to even try to run on him.
BTW, one of the best things I ever saw on TV as a boy was way back when the Giants played the Dodgers at the LA Coliseum -- Mays went all the way into deep right-center to make a great running catch, then later in the game went into left-center to grab a fast-sinking liner. Both catches were not too far from the wall. It was on KTVU so the Giants announcers (I think Simmons and Bill King?) just went crazy. (I looked on youtube but all they have of Willie seems to be the 1954 WS catch off Vic Wertz.)
lex24 - lex24 - 11-08-2025
(11-08-2025, 07:43 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-08-2025, 12:46 PM)Mick Wrote: Fun Fielding Facts.
I can't help but think that fielding is the easiest to turn around in an off-season and spring training, particularly given some of the Giants' sloppiness and poor overall defensive performance. Their pitching and hitting was just above and just below average, but their fielding was atrocious, near the bottom of MLB.
There are some positives, all in MLB position except when noted as NL-only:
Adames led all of MLB with most assists (398) and third most games (158), also third most DPs (76), and 5th best range factor in NL (3.78)
Bailey was the best catcher in the field by most metrics.
Chapman had fifth most putouts at 3B (93), 2nd most DPs (30), 4th best range factor (2.50)...and 4th most errors (13)...4th best fielding % in NL (.961)
Ramos had second most games in LF (154) and 5th most putouts (284), but the most errors (9) as LF and third most of all outfielders. 4th most assists in NL and 4th best range factor.
Jung Hoo Lee had 4th most games in CF (147), 4th most assists (7), Tthird most DPs (2)
Webb had 2nd most assists as pitcher (34), 5th best range factor (1.21) and most DPs (3) tied with Bivens.
Robbie Ray was one of 21 starting pitchers in MLB with zero errors (also former Giants Gausman and Rodon).
Yaz had second most assists in NL (9)
Interesting stats, Mick, especially about Yaz's 9 assists. I never got the impression that he had a rifle arm, but probably because I wasn't paying close enough attention.
But upon reflection, can OF assists be misleading? I seem to remember Clemente had close to 40 assists one year early in his career with the Pirates, and never came close again -- probably because word got around not to even try to run on him.
BTW, one of the best things I ever saw on TV as a boy was way back when the Giants played the Dodgers at the LA Coliseum -- Mays went all the way into deep right-center to make a great running catch, then later in the game went into left-center to grab a fast-sinking liner. Both catches were not too far from the wall. It was on KTVU so the Giants announcers (I think Simmons and Bill King?) just went crazy. (I looked on youtube but all they have of Willie seems to be the 1954 WS catch off Vic Wertz.)
Willie could play a little….
Yaz doesn’t have a rifle arm. But he is very accurate. And he’s fundamentally sound. So he usually gets to the ball quick and is in good position to throw.
RE: lex24 - Mick - 11-09-2025
(11-08-2025, 08:38 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-08-2025, 07:43 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-08-2025, 12:46 PM)Mick Wrote: Fun Fielding Facts.
I can't help but think that fielding is the easiest to turn around in an off-season and spring training, particularly given some of the Giants' sloppiness and poor overall defensive performance. Their pitching and hitting was just above and just below average, but their fielding was atrocious, near the bottom of MLB.
There are some positives, all in MLB position except when noted as NL-only:
Adames led all of MLB with most assists (398) and third most games (158), also third most DPs (76), and 5th best range factor in NL (3.78)
Bailey was the best catcher in the field by most metrics.
Chapman had fifth most putouts at 3B (93), 2nd most DPs (30), 4th best range factor (2.50)...and 4th most errors (13)...4th best fielding % in NL (.961)
Ramos had second most games in LF (154) and 5th most putouts (284), but the most errors (9) as LF and third most of all outfielders. 4th most assists in NL and 4th best range factor.
Jung Hoo Lee had 4th most games in CF (147), 4th most assists (7), Tthird most DPs (2)
Webb had 2nd most assists as pitcher (34), 5th best range factor (1.21) and most DPs (3) tied with Bivens.
Robbie Ray was one of 21 starting pitchers in MLB with zero errors (also former Giants Gausman and Rodon).
Yaz had second most assists in NL (9)
Interesting stats, Mick, especially about Yaz's 9 assists. I never got the impression that he had a rifle arm, but probably because I wasn't paying close enough attention.
But upon reflection, can OF assists be misleading? I seem to remember Clemente had close to 40 assists one year early in his career with the Pirates and never came close again -- probably because word got around not to even try to run on him.
BTW, one of the best things I ever saw on TV as a boy was way back when the Giants played the Dodgers at the LA Coliseum -- Mays went all the way into deep right-center to make a great running catch, then later in the game went into left-center to grab a fast-sinking liner. Both catches were not too far from the wall. It was on KTVU so the Giants announcers (I think Simmons and Bill King?) just went crazy. (I looked on youtube but all they have of Willie seems to be the 1954 WS catch off Vic Wertz.)
Willie could play a little….
Yaz doesn’t have a rifle arm. But he is very accurate. And he’s fundamentally sound. So he usually gets to the ball quick and is in good position to throw.
All really good points.
Clemente never had 40 assists, but he had 24 and 27 in 1957 and 1958, then third base coaches learned not to run on him. After that, he had between 13 and 18 annually until 1967 when the rumor was that he'd lost his arm -- he only had four assists. So the next year, they ran on him again, and he had 24 assists, then 11, 4 again (same rumor), then 20 and 11 in his last year. BTW, Clemente has the career records for games played in right field (2,305) and Rtot (204).
qwerty is correct, of course. Yaz doesn't have a rifle arm, and he was never a big assist guy...he only had one or two his first three years with the Giants, then in 2022 he had nine, then back down to six and five...then last year, he had 11, nine with the Giants in just 94 games. Yaz finished 4th in the NL in assists in both 2022 and 2025 with those numbers. Where Yaz really shines was range factor...he finished first in the NL in both 2020 and 2021...not because he's crazy fast, but has excellent anticipation, positioning and runs great routes. He really knows how to play RF in Oracle.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 11-09-2025
Some news on the Giants’ 2026 coaching staff…
Out
3B Coach Williams
Pitching Coach Martinez
Bench Coach Christenson
Ass’t Hitting Coach Minor
Bullpen Coach Alston
Hitting Coach Burrell
Note: Burrell will be reassigned to another job within the organization.
In
Jayce Tingler (role tbd).
Source: MLBTradeRumors
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 11-09-2025
Not sure what this means, but Giants hitters crushed the ball in August/Sept/Oct of 2025, with tOPS+ of 111 and 103 (compared to between 95 and 97 for all other months). They averaged 4.6 runs per game in March and April, 3.8 in May and July, 4.0 in June, 4.9 in August and 5 in September/October. That's a good sign, isn't it?
6'11" pitcher Sean Hjelle and catcher Sam Huff elected free agency, they DFA'd Mason Black, and added LHP Reiver Sanmartin (5.66 MLB ERA for Reds, but superb AAA season last year). Remaining catchers are Bailey, Knizner and Jesus Rodriguez, Thomas Gavello and Logan Porter are in Sacto.
They added 28-year-old former Dodger OF Justin Dean. Dean is basically a defense/runner only.
Giants' Zach Minasian says they will prioritize pitching depth. 31 year-old Cody Ponce is available. Former big-leaguer, added a splitter and velocity in Korea, he's 6'6". He's also married to George Kittle's sister, Emma, so there's that. Drew Pomeranz is available. He had a great season with the Cubs in 2025 (2-2, 2.17 ERA, 57 G, 4 starts, 49 2/3 IP, 57 K's).
Encarnacion is likely to remain on the team.
SF Giants 2025 Player review: Jerar Encarnación | McCovey Chronicles
Tatis robbed Bailey of the Platinum glove
Patrick Bailey was robbed of a Platinum Glove | McCovey Chronicles
Parks Harber, who came over as a secondary piece in the Doval trade, has been destroying the Arizona Fall League. He leads in doubles (9), XBH (12), third in average (.407), OPS (1.270) and total bases (40). He hit a double that went 106.2 mph. He had eight games in a row with an extra base hit, which hasn't been done in the AFL since 2012. But he's 24 years old, so... Harber slashed (.333/.454/.644/1.098) with the High-A Emeralds and he will play on the Fall All Stars game tomorrow night.
Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent are on the Contemporary Baseball Era player ballot. 16-person committee votes in early December, if they make it, it will be announced December 7. Also on the ballot are Dale Murphy, Don Mattingly, Fernando Valenzuela, Gary Sheffield and Carlos Delgado. 12 of 16 votes are necessary. Five vote minimum to be on ballot next year. Committee is made up of HoF members, executives and media veterans.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 11-09-2025
I think what it means is that Vitello wants to select his own roster of coaches. After the last couple years, I am all for a clean sweep of the coaching group. It is time for a fresh start.
When I read that the platinum glove winner was selected on the basis of a fan vote along with some analytical influence, it lost all credibility to me.
Parks Harber is 24 and hasn’t played above Class A. I don’t see him making the big leagues other than a cup of coffee somewhere.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 11-10-2025
(11-09-2025, 11:37 PM)Giants Wrote: I think what it means is that Vitello wants to select his own roster of coaches. After the last couple years, I am all for a clean sweep of the coaching group. It is time for a fresh start.
Completely agree, even if you limit it to just positional coaching, bench coach, third base coaching, pitching coaches and hitting coaches (sarcasm alert)...
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 11-12-2025
Former World Series winning manager Joe Maddon says the quiet part out loud: Hiring Tony Vitello is an insult to all the managers and manager candidates who came up through the ranks in MLB.
'It is kind of insulting' - Former World Series winning MLB manager makes absurd comment about Tony Vitello
I understand where Maddon is coming from, but at the same time, the Giants have (a) had a series of underperforming, old-school managers, and (b) I suspect that Buster Posey watched the games last year and thought to himself that he had a talented team who was regularly screwing up in fundamental ways, and © former college manager Pat Murphy and the guy the Giants should have hired (that's me editorializing, not Buster) Steven Vogt have each won Manager of the Year for the second year in a row. That's never been done before.
Murphy's team, the Brewers, were sound before he got there. Craig Counsell was in the playoffs five of his last six years as manager. The Brewers finished third (out of 30 MLB teams) in runs scored, third in MLB in runs allowed, and 8th in defensive Rtot. They won 97 games, most in baseball, and played sound ball behind a college manager (yes, I know Murphy had an MLB background).
I think the Giants need to get back to fundamental baseball. I think they have talent. I understand Maddon's comments, but at the same time, I want the Giants to win.
Incidentally, Maddon never played above A ball. His last season was with the Santa Clara Padres, a team that existed for the single year that there was no San Jose minor league team. They finished 47-93.
Santa Clara Padres - Wikipedia
Joe batted .250, mostly singles.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=maddon001jos#all_standard_batting
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 11-12-2025
I’m not surprised a baseball grinder would criticize Posey’s choice. Who cares? Heck, Buster also received a lot of flack because, coming into his current role, he had no experience as a baseball executive.
In order to compete with LA, SF needed to do something completely against the grain, they did (twice) and, so far, I like what I am seeing.
RE: SF Giants 2025 - BostonCard - 11-12-2025
Interesting piece on the the Rockies, who hired Paul DePodesta (former Billy Beane acolyte) as President of Baseball operations.
https://www.wsj.com/sports/baseball/paul-depodesta-colorado-rockies-103f7552?st=XkZicH&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
I wish him luck. The Rockies finished 43-119 this year (2 shy of the modern era record of 121 losses).
BC
RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 11-13-2025
Never realized how much Paul DePodesta resembled Jonah Hill