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Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - donkey687 - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 06:05 PM)martyup link Wrote:[quote author=CornFed link=topic=16303.msg183333#msg183333 date=1482363909]
At some point further discussion amounts to simply honing one's debate skills. It is, though, why I love reading the CardBoard. You folks have some chops. Great points have been made.
True. Seventeen pages on this topic. A very heated debate about a very significant decision by a very significant player in Stanford football history. I'm glad this debate didn't devolve into ad hominem.
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This is a national story as it raises a lot of issues that impact all fan bases. Is this a new trend? Can you believe he did that?
I visit a Michigan message board and they had more comments on this topic than the Cardboard. The majority of those comments are much less understanding and forgiving of CMac's decision as the Stanford fan base. The consensus seems to be that CMac is very selfish in bailing on his team even if it makes economic sense for him. They feel that a true Michigan man wouldn't make that decision and they are worried that CMac's selfish attitude will run in the family and carry over to his brother who is headed to Michigan. This decision of his is creating more publicity than his announcement to go pro or his Voldemort snub. This is still discussed on Sportscenter and talk radio shows all over the country. This mixed publicity is not helpful to the young man as he seeks employment and future endorsements. As I stated earlier in this thread, I think he will look back one day and regret not playing in the Sun Bowl. I understand why he did it and it makes economic sense, but not all decisions we make are driven by economics and it bums me out that CMac made this particular decision.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - donkey687 - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 06:05 PM)martyup link Wrote:[quote author=CornFed link=topic=16303.msg183333#msg183333 date=1482363909]
At some point further discussion amounts to simply honing one's debate skills. It is, though, why I love reading the CardBoard. You folks have some chops. Great points have been made.
True. Seventeen pages on this topic. A very heated debate about a very significant decision by a very significant player in Stanford football history. I'm glad this debate didn't devolve into ad hominem.
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This is a national story as it raises a lot of issues that impact all fan bases. Is this a new trend? Can you believe he did that?
I visit a Michigan message board and they had more comments on this topic than the Cardboard. The majority of those comments are much less understanding and forgiving of CMac's decision as the Stanford fan base. The consensus seems to be that CMac is very selfish in bailing on his team even if it makes economic sense for him. They feel that a true Michigan man wouldn't make that decision and they are worried that CMac's selfish attitude will run in the family and carry over to his brother who is headed to Michigan. This decision of his is creating more publicity than his announcement to go pro or his Voldemort snub. This is still discussed on Sportscenter and talk radio shows all over the country. This mixed publicity is not helpful to the young man as he seeks employment and future endorsements. As I stated earlier in this thread, I think he will look back one day and regret not playing in the Sun Bowl. I understand why he did it and it makes economic sense, but not all decisions we make are driven by economics and it bums me out that CMac made this particular decision.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - martyup - 12-21-2016
I wonder if a better way to achieve his goal to stay healthy for the NFL combine would have been to go to Shaw and say that he would play in the game, but that he wanted his touches limited. If he would have done that, he would not have been perceived as letting his team down.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - martyup - 12-21-2016
I wonder if a better way to achieve his goal to stay healthy for the NFL combine would have been to go to Shaw and say that he would play in the game, but that he wanted his touches limited. If he would have done that, he would not have been perceived as letting his team down.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - dabigv13 - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 07:08 PM)martyup link Wrote:I wonder if a better way to achieve his goal to stay healthy for the NFL combine would have been to go to Shaw and say that he would play in the game, but that he wanted his touches limited. If he would have done that, he would not have been perceived as letting his team down.
Well, that wasn't exactly his stated goal though I think that would have potentially been a good idea.
He said we wanted to prepare for the draft, not avoid injury or stay healthy. Perhaps he feels another couple weeks of specialized outside training is more beneficial than team based bowl prep...
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - dabigv13 - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 07:08 PM)martyup link Wrote:I wonder if a better way to achieve his goal to stay healthy for the NFL combine would have been to go to Shaw and say that he would play in the game, but that he wanted his touches limited. If he would have done that, he would not have been perceived as letting his team down.
Well, that wasn't exactly his stated goal though I think that would have potentially been a good idea.
He said we wanted to prepare for the draft, not avoid injury or stay healthy. Perhaps he feels another couple weeks of specialized outside training is more beneficial than team based bowl prep...
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - yvonne - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 06:05 PM)martyup link Wrote:[quote author=CornFed link=topic=16303.msg183333#msg183333 date=1482363909]
At some point further discussion amounts to simply honing one's debate skills. It is, though, why I love reading the CardBoard. You folks have some chops. Great points have been made.
True. Seventeen pages on this topic. A very heated debate about a very significant decision by a very significant player in Stanford football history. I'm glad this debate didn't devolve into ad hominem.
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Why you, stupid @#$@#%$!
Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - yvonne - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 06:05 PM)martyup link Wrote:[quote author=CornFed link=topic=16303.msg183333#msg183333 date=1482363909]
At some point further discussion amounts to simply honing one's debate skills. It is, though, why I love reading the CardBoard. You folks have some chops. Great points have been made.
True. Seventeen pages on this topic. A very heated debate about a very significant decision by a very significant player in Stanford football history. I'm glad this debate didn't devolve into ad hominem.
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Why you, stupid @#$@#%$!
Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - jacketree - 12-21-2016
That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - jacketree - 12-21-2016
That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - martyup - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 07:54 PM)jacketree link Wrote:That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
You're probably right. With a runner as shifty as CMAC, I wonder how much a few hundredths in the 40 means to NFL scouts.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - martyup - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 07:54 PM)jacketree link Wrote:That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
You're probably right. With a runner as shifty as CMAC, I wonder how much a few hundredths in the 40 means to NFL scouts.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - JJJ - 12-21-2016
I know someone mentioned this before and I don't know who or when, but Andy Staples wrote about making redshirts "fireproof" for one game.
http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/12/21/redshirt-freshmen-bowl-games
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - JJJ - 12-21-2016
I know someone mentioned this before and I don't know who or when, but Andy Staples wrote about making redshirts "fireproof" for one game.
http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/12/21/redshirt-freshmen-bowl-games
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - CornFed - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 07:54 PM)jacketree link Wrote:That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
The more I read the more I am convinced that it is almost entirely related to mitigating how an existing or potential injury might affect his draft value. Clearly, avoiding injury is the first benefit to not playing in the game. Further, whatever residual effects he may have from earlier injuries will have time to heal that much further. Also, if he does sense a lingering injury, notwithstanding that it did not affect his performance in the last few games, he might be concerned that it could impair his performance in the game.
I specifically do not believe that an additional few weeks of preparations will affect his combine results sufficiently to make a difference in his draft position.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - CornFed - 12-21-2016
(12-21-2016, 07:54 PM)jacketree link Wrote:That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
The more I read the more I am convinced that it is almost entirely related to mitigating how an existing or potential injury might affect his draft value. Clearly, avoiding injury is the first benefit to not playing in the game. Further, whatever residual effects he may have from earlier injuries will have time to heal that much further. Also, if he does sense a lingering injury, notwithstanding that it did not affect his performance in the last few games, he might be concerned that it could impair his performance in the game.
I specifically do not believe that an additional few weeks of preparations will affect his combine results sufficiently to make a difference in his draft position.
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - JohnR34231 - 12-22-2016
(12-21-2016, 10:09 PM)CornFed link Wrote:[quote author=jacketree link=topic=16303.msg183382#msg183382 date=1482375282]
That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
The more I read the more I am convinced that it is almost entirely related to mitigating how an existing or potential injury might affect his draft value. Clearly, avoiding injury is the first benefit to not playing in the game. Further, whatever residual effects he may have from earlier injuries will have time to heal that much further. Also, if he does sense a lingering injury, notwithstanding that it did not affect his performance in the last few games, he might be concerned that it could impair his performance in the game.
I specifically do not believe that an additional few weeks of preparations will affect his combine results sufficiently to make a difference in his draft position.
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My guess is that it is a combination of reasons, but I agree the prime one is the desire to avoid an injury that could diminish his draft attractiveness.
Hopefully it won't backfire on him and get the NFL types thinking "Geez, if this guy is worried about his own durability, shouldn't we be too?".
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - JohnR34231 - 12-22-2016
(12-21-2016, 10:09 PM)CornFed link Wrote:[quote author=jacketree link=topic=16303.msg183382#msg183382 date=1482375282]
That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
The more I read the more I am convinced that it is almost entirely related to mitigating how an existing or potential injury might affect his draft value. Clearly, avoiding injury is the first benefit to not playing in the game. Further, whatever residual effects he may have from earlier injuries will have time to heal that much further. Also, if he does sense a lingering injury, notwithstanding that it did not affect his performance in the last few games, he might be concerned that it could impair his performance in the game.
I specifically do not believe that an additional few weeks of preparations will affect his combine results sufficiently to make a difference in his draft position.
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My guess is that it is a combination of reasons, but I agree the prime one is the desire to avoid an injury that could diminish his draft attractiveness.
Hopefully it won't backfire on him and get the NFL types thinking "Geez, if this guy is worried about his own durability, shouldn't we be too?".
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - winflop - 12-22-2016
(12-21-2016, 10:09 PM)CornFed link Wrote:[quote author=jacketree link=topic=16303.msg183382#msg183382 date=1482375282]
That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
The more I read the more I am convinced that it is almost entirely related to mitigating how an existing or potential injury might affect his draft value. Clearly, avoiding injury is the first benefit to not playing in the game. Further, whatever residual effects he may have from earlier injuries will have time to heal that much further. Also, if he does sense a lingering injury, notwithstanding that it did not affect his performance in the last few games, he might be concerned that it could impair his performance in the game.
I specifically do not believe that an additional few weeks of preparations will affect his combine results sufficiently to make a difference in his draft position.
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I agree that it's about avoiding injury in a "meaningless" game, but if the consensus is that he would have only played in an RB or CFP, isn't every game after the loss to Colorado a risk of injury in a "meaningless" game?
Re: CMAC not playing in Sun Bowl?!? - winflop - 12-22-2016
(12-21-2016, 10:09 PM)CornFed link Wrote:[quote author=jacketree link=topic=16303.msg183382#msg183382 date=1482375282]
That's an interesting point about endorsements. Telegenic guy, but "quitting on team" reputation doesn't move a lot of widgets necessarily. Wonder if it matters, anyone cares or it will affect the bottom line.
The more I read, the more I believe this is all about shaving a few hundredths of a second off his 40 time.
The more I read the more I am convinced that it is almost entirely related to mitigating how an existing or potential injury might affect his draft value. Clearly, avoiding injury is the first benefit to not playing in the game. Further, whatever residual effects he may have from earlier injuries will have time to heal that much further. Also, if he does sense a lingering injury, notwithstanding that it did not affect his performance in the last few games, he might be concerned that it could impair his performance in the game.
I specifically do not believe that an additional few weeks of preparations will affect his combine results sufficiently to make a difference in his draft position.
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I agree that it's about avoiding injury in a "meaningless" game, but if the consensus is that he would have only played in an RB or CFP, isn't every game after the loss to Colorado a risk of injury in a "meaningless" game?