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RE: Draft Day - BostonCard - 04-28-2018
Well,the fact he didn’t play safety at Stanford was probably a contributor. I think he could have improved his draft stock by playing a year as a versatile 5-position guy, the way Justin Reid did.
BC
RE: Draft Day - JJJ - 04-28-2018
Slight tangential but I found this list to be quite helpful in remembering where our Cardinal alumni have landed.
(you have to scroll down past a few other "S" schools, but our list is quite impressive!
http://www.espn.com/nfl/college/_/letter/s
RE: Draft Day - Goose - 04-28-2018
(04-28-2018, 08:53 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Well,the fact he didn’t play safety at Stanford was probably a contributor. I think he could have improved his draft stock by playing a year as a versatile 5-position guy, the way Justin Reid did.
BC
BC, I am not sure you are being totally serious, but FWIW, I think Reid playing 5 positions significantly hurt his draft stock. First, playing as a "third corner" exposed the fact that Reid isn't really a great coverage guy. As a safety, you don't need to be, but giving up big chunks when covering the slot receiver doesn't help your draft stock. If Reid had just played at safety, his most productive position, his limitations wouldn't have been in everyone's mind on draft day. Doing one thing well is much better than doing five things, some not so well.
As far as Meeks staying at Stanford, it probably was made clear to him that he wasn't going to be the starting safety, at least going into spring football. He also knew from last year that he wasn't the first choice at corner either, and that he probably wasn't good enough at corner to play there in an NFL future anyway. Improving his draft position is only likely if he gets to play a lot. I am pretty sure he doubted that was going to happen, so he decided it was better to start trying to make it in the NFL now rather than hope he could shine next year at Stanford.
If you told me that he should have stayed at Stanford and finished his degree because he probably wasn't NFL material, I might agree with you. But, he clearly thinks he has a shot at the next level. If he does, going now rather than next year probably makes sense.
RE: Draft Day - winflop - 04-29-2018
(04-28-2018, 05:26 PM)stupac2 Wrote: I wonder if Meeks now wishes he had stayed in school.
No doubt he feels insulted. I hope he goes the Doug Baldwin route and uses it as a motivator to get better every day.
I spoke with a program insider and Meeks was told by Shaw and every one of his coaches - including Akina - as well as his family to stay at Stanford. He made this decision on his own, against the advice of all of those around him. I hope it works out for him but I also hope he learns to listen to advice from those who genuinely care about him.
RE: Draft Day - OutsiderFan - 04-29-2018
(04-29-2018, 06:14 AM)winflop Wrote:This makes some sense. It also is possible Stanford did offer him the chance to play Safety his Senior year, and he refused, because he had his mind set on playing CB in the NFL. Meeks is plenty good enough to play CB for Stanford in 2018, but nobody other than him thinks he is an NFL CB. Pride is a one of the seven "deadly sins" for a reason.(04-28-2018, 05:26 PM)stupac2 Wrote: I wonder if Meeks now wishes he had stayed in school.
I spoke with a program insider and Meeks was told by Shaw and every one of his coaches - including Akina - as well as his family to stay at Stanford. He made this decision on his own, against the advice of all of those around him. I hope it works out for him but I also hope he learns to listen to advice from those who genuinely care about him.
RE: Draft Day - wallendar - 04-29-2018
(04-29-2018, 09:01 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(04-29-2018, 06:14 AM)winflop Wrote:This makes some sense. It also is possible Stanford did offer him the chance to play Safety his Senior year, and he refused, because he had his mind set on playing CB in the NFL. Meeks is plenty good enough to play CB for Stanford in 2018, but nobody other than him thinks he is an NFL CB. Pride is a one of the seven "deadly sins" for a reason.(04-28-2018, 05:26 PM)stupac2 Wrote: I wonder if Meeks now wishes he had stayed in school.
I spoke with a program insider and Meeks was told by Shaw and every one of his coaches - including Akina - as well as his family to stay at Stanford. He made this decision on his own, against the advice of all of those around him. I hope it works out for him but I also hope he learns to listen to advice from those who genuinely care about him.
I thought he might get drafted by SF. However, Lynch’s comments after selecting Moore from So. Miss. were telling. It is all about being able to run and Meeks lacks the speed NFL coaches require. Unless Meeks figures out a way to improve his 40 time, he will have a tough time making it at the next level. I wish him the best at Jacksonville....
RE: Draft Day - OutsiderFan - 04-29-2018
It's not the 40 time that is the issue for Meeks. He has good enough straight line speed. Rather his limitation is lack of sudden movement skills. I didn't watch him at the NFL combine to see how he did with the hip movement drills, but my assumption is not well.
My suspicion is because Meeks is such a heady player who spends a lot of time in the video room, he'd probably be best as a Safety. Unfortunately, he has never had the opportunity to play that position. Perhaps the Jags will give him an opportunity to be a back-up Safety.
BTW, Daniel Marx signed by Atlanta Falcons.
RE: Draft Day - 82lsju - 04-29-2018
Meeks signs with the Jaguars
https://www.ruleoftree.com/2018/4/28/17297676/udfa-cb-quenton-meeks-signs-with-jacksonville-jaguars
Marx signs with the Falcons
https://www.ruleoftree.com/2018/4/28/17298206/udfa-fb-daniel-marx-signs-with-atlanta-falcons
RE: Draft Day - terry - 04-29-2018
If you assume that Meeks would have had zero improvement in another year, then it made sense to enter the draft. But I don't assume zero improvement. Rather the contrary -- it seems to me that the natural assumption for a guy that age is that he should be improving every year.
If you assume that he wouldn't have received much playing time this fall, then it made sense to enter the draft. But that wouldn't be my assumption. Meeks started every game last year. I would assume that he would have played a lot this year.
RE: Draft Day - Stymie - 04-29-2018
Good to hear that Meeks will be with the Jag's as I'll be in the area for most of the Sep-Dec period, and will pass on a any important mentions in the local rags and on the telly for both pre-season and the real season (hopefully). The Jags have a very good starting 4 in the defensive 4-5 but could always use a newbie who can help out and learn.
Good luck Mr. Meeks
Stymie
RE: Draft Day - CTcard - 04-29-2018
(04-29-2018, 02:04 PM)terry Wrote: If you assume that Meeks would have had zero improvement in another year, then it made sense to enter the draft. But I don't assume zero improvement. Rather the contrary -- it seems to me that the natural assumption for a guy that age is that he should be improving every year.
If you assume that he wouldn't have received much playing time this fall, then it made sense to enter the draft. But that wouldn't be my assumption. Meeks started every game last year. I would assume that he would have played a lot this year.
Nothing is set in stone, but it seems clear Meeks would have been a 2018 starter and most-every-down player had he returned.
It's not clear he would have played at safety, not clear he wants to play at safety, and not clear that's necessarily where the NFL would want him. Reports out of Jacksonville seem to be that they are bringing him in as a nickel back - though of course they may not really know just what they are going to do with him yet.
He's played a lot, it's not as if NFL teams didn't know about him, so I think it is probably 50/50 whether he could improve his draft stock or not - and probably unlikely he could change it a lot. [Remember they don't necessarily draft you on how good you are, but more on how good they can imagine you might become - though it's not quite the NBA on that scale.] The knock on him seems to be burst and fluidity rather than straight line speed or basic athleticism measurements. He did have pretty good results at the combine - and while his pro-day 40 comes with the general skepticism of pro day times, it was pretty good.
Whether coming back to school or not would be a good idea is really more a question of what Meeks thinks of school than anything else. That's not a small thing, but the value of school and the value of a degree depends strongly on an individuals' own values and current situation in life.
RE: Draft Day - barrister7 - 04-30-2018
I have not mentioned this previously, but a reason that Harrison might not have gone higher has to do with his discipline
in defensive assignments. As good a player as he was in college, the word was that he could have been that much better
had he been able to maintain discipline in his assignments. Hopefully, this can be corrected at the next level.
RE: Draft Day - OutsiderFan - 04-30-2018
Interesting about Phillips comment, but not surprising.
As posted once before, Phillips is a 3-technique DT in a 4-3 front, not a 0-technique NT in a 3-4. He was miscast at Stanford because Stanford had no other options at NT. Instead of just occupying blockers, Phillips penetrated. When he guessed right, he made tackles. But when he guessed wrong, big holes opened up that allowed the OL to easily get to the Linebackers.
Phillips is a PERFECT scheme fit for the Buffalo Bills, who are transitioning to a 4-3 defensive front. Phillips has the potential to really shine now that he is in a defense that will harness his ability to be a one-gap penetrator.
Those doubting the value of DWP: He isn't going to make nearly as many tackles as Phillips, but if he can hold his ground and read which side of the Center to get to on each given play, he'll allow Stanford to have a better rush defense than it has had for a few years. If DWP can lower his pad level and control the Center, Stanford will have a Top 20 rush defense.
RE: Draft Day - needle - 04-30-2018
Only thing that hasn't been said about Meeks in this thread is that he had a fairly serious injury while at Stanford.
We all remember seeing him wearing a heavy knee brace as a corner, certainly not the most common sight at that position.
Plus, he saw his teammate Holder sustain a major knee injury this past fall.
It's easy to say Meeks made the wrong decision, but if he was worried about how another injury might completely derail any NFL hopes, then maybe he and his family (and us fans) can make peace with the outcome.