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RE: Women's Golf - winflop - 11-02-2019

(11-02-2019, 03:24 PM)oldalum Wrote:  
(11-02-2019, 03:01 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:  Valenzuela and Lee can accept their membership and declare themselves professional anytime between now May 26 and July 1.
fixed it for you!

                                                                        (the NCAA tournament ends May 25)

Or they can withdraw at any time and turn pro.

RE: Women's Golf - ColoradoTree - 11-04-2019

The latest news is that there's no news yet--Valenzuela and Lee remain undecided on when they'll go pro. That's according to these two articles: https://www.golfchannel.com/news/yealimi-noh-muni-he-haley-moore-among-45-claim-lpga-cards-through-q-series
[/url][url=https://golfweek.com/2019/11/02/golf-top-college-players-weighing-the-options-lpga-q-series/]https://golfweek.com/2019/11/02/golf-top-college-players-weighing-the-options-lpga-q-series/

Lee might have an easier decision, since finishing in the 21-45 range means she'll have a lower priority in terms of getting LPGA starts than Valenzuela will, according to one of the articles. If Lee had just gone +2 in the 7th round rather than +5, she would have locked up a T20 finish and had the same priority level as Valenzuela.

RE: Women's Golf - Spiny_Norman - 11-04-2019

Stanford will be without Lee and Valenzuela at some point, whether this spring or next year. We'll get a preview of life without them at the final fall tournament starting today in Hawaii - http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=team&tid=18707

Btw, Stanford is currently the #1 ranked team in the country.

USC is certainly loaded. They lose Jennifer Chang who has said that she will forego the spring season to turn pro. Even without her, they have the reigning US Amateur champ Gabriella Ruffels playing at #5.

RE: Women's Golf - winflop - 11-04-2019

I think if either of them elects to forgo the spring season and turn pro they should reimburse Stanford for their scholarships. They competed only once for the school in the first tournament of the season. They have missed the last two events due to Q-school and would presumably not compete in any of the five scheduled events going forward - not to mention NCAAs which would likely be two additional tournaments.

RE: Women's Golf - Sakibomb25 - 11-04-2019

(11-04-2019, 07:11 PM)winflop Wrote:  I think if either of them elects to forgo the spring season and turn pro they should reimburse Stanford for their scholarships. They competed only once for the school in the first tournament of the season. They have missed the last two events due to Q-school and would presumably not compete in any of the five scheduled events going forward - not to mention NCAAs which would likely be two additional tournaments.

That sounds rather petty, don’t you think? What kind of message do you think that sends to future recruits? As much as it would suck for the golf team, you can guarantee Coach Walker would never think that.

RE: Women's Golf - indiancardinal - 11-04-2019

(11-04-2019, 07:11 PM)winflop Wrote:  I think if either of them elects to forgo the spring season and turn pro they should reimburse Stanford for their scholarships. They competed only once for the school in the first tournament of the season. They have missed the last two events due to Q-school and would presumably not compete in any of the five scheduled events going forward - not to mention NCAAs which would likely be two additional tournaments.

My wish would be that they have great succesful pro careers, complete their degrees, make tons of money, mentor future Standord golfers and maybe endow a few scholarships for Stanford Golf/ Athletics.

I also pray for the sanity of world leaders and woeld peace every night:)

RE: Women's Golf - ColoradoTree - 11-05-2019

(11-04-2019, 09:16 PM)SakiBomb25 Wrote:  
(11-04-2019, 07:11 PM)winflop Wrote:  I think if either of them elects to forgo the spring season and turn pro they should reimburse Stanford for their scholarships. They competed only once for the school in the first tournament of the season. They have missed the last two events due to Q-school and would presumably not compete in any of the five scheduled events going forward - not to mention NCAAs which would likely be two additional tournaments.

That sounds rather petty, don’t you think? What kind of message do you think that sends to future recruits? As much as it would suck for the golf team, you can guarantee Coach Walker would never think that.

Agreed. We want to be a destination for top amateur golfers who have the option to turn pro. Going to LPGA q-school as a senior is like missing school to go interview for your dream job. It should absolutely be expected, with the door always open to return. If they return, great! If they don't, then that scholarship money can get divvied up to other team members for the winter and spring quarters, and current/prospective players get the message that Stanford values your future professional success and will help you get there. If Valenzuela and Lee go pro and obtain great success and credit Stanford with helping them grow and develop as players and as people, you can't ask for better recruiting pitches than that. 

So, really, it's two problems: (1) missing exhibition-type fall events to compete in Q-school; and (2) missing the remaining year's events. The former problem isn't a problem--it's something any good program should desire--and the latter problem is solved by them not being students and thus not getting scholarship money for the rest of the year. Both of these players will graduate some day; they've each committed to that. If they want to take full advantage of their LPGA tour cards, I can hardly blame them. 

And if they return, isn't it better for the team for them to have been playing highly competitive rounds against professionals and other top amateurs to try and qualify for the LPGA than to play these fall tournaments for Stanford? I can't imagine Valenzuela or Lee would be a better golfer for Stanford this spring if they'd played those two events rather than the 12 high-pressure rounds each played in qualifying. If they leave, how would them playing in these two events (but no others) have helped Stanford win a national championship?

RE: Women's Golf - BobK - 11-05-2019

Great post Tree

RE: Women's Golf - BostonCard - 11-05-2019

Nice post ColoradoTree; in addition, by playing the q school rounds, presumably the two opened up two spots for other players to compete and gain experience, which would be valuable for this year if Lee and Valenzuela go pro, and valuable (for next year) if they don't.

BC

RE: Women's Golf - ColoradoTree - 11-05-2019

(11-05-2019, 03:14 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  Nice post ColoradoTree; in addition, by playing the q school rounds, presumably the two opened up two spots for other players to compete and gain experience, which would be valuable for this year if Lee and Valenzuela go pro, and valuable (for next year) if they don't.

BC

Thanks! And yeah, it has worked out all the way around so far. 

The timing of all of this isn't ideal, but where the collegiate calendar and the pro calendar don't align, golfers have to go through qualifying during their senior years if they don't want to have to support themselves for several months after graduation before qualifying happens. The rule change to let golfers delay turning pro until after they're done with NCAAs is a great one, but it still makes players pick between a full year of earnings (and critically, the spot on the money list that lets you keep your tour card for the next year) and a half-year, probably needing to go through qualifying again to earn a spot the year after that. 

It's a frustrating predicament in which to place senior golfers who feel a commitment to their school but who are also trying to make a clear-eyed assessment of what will best set them up in the future. The LPGA could fix it by allowing a player who wins a card to be able to defer it to the following year (so, for example, Valenzuela could say she's coming back, but have full LPGA status in 2021), perhaps with Symetra Tour status for the half-year following graduation. I'd be grateful for Valenzuela or Lee deciding to come back, but if I were facing the choices they are, I'd be hard-pressed to say that I'd decide to come back this spring.

RE: Women's Golf - winflop - 11-05-2019

Call me altruistic and idealistic. I'm also one who railed against McCaffrey's decision to skip the bowl game.

My understanding from private chats with two reporters who cover the LPGA & Q-school is that if Lee and/or turn pro that they would continue their education through graduation in June. I'm not OK with that. If they choose to leave school to go full-time on the LPGA that's a completely different story, but they shouldn't be allowed to compete professionally while their education is being funded by a scholarship.

RE: Women's Golf - Goose - 11-05-2019

(11-05-2019, 09:47 PM)winflop Wrote:  Call me altruistic and idealistic. I'm also one who railed against McCaffrey's decision to skip the bowl game.

My understanding from private chats with two reporters who cover the LPGA & Q-school is that if Lee and/or turn pro that they would continue their education through graduation in June. I'm not OK with that. If they choose to leave school to go full-time on the LPGA that's a completely different story, but they shouldn't be allowed to compete professionally while their education is being funded by a scholarship.

I assume you are perfectly OK with them staying in school while competing professionally, but not with them receiving a scholarship while so doing.  I would assume that if they quit the team, which they must when they cease to be amateurs, they must also give up their scholarship. Is that not correct?

RE: Women's Golf - Sakibomb25 - 11-06-2019

(11-05-2019, 09:47 PM)winflop Wrote:  Call me altruistic and idealistic. I'm also one who railed against McCaffrey's decision to skip the bowl game.

My understanding from private chats with two reporters who cover the LPGA & Q-school is that if Lee and/or turn pro that they would continue their education through graduation in June. I'm not OK with that. If they choose to leave school to go full-time on the LPGA that's a completely different story, but they shouldn't be allowed to compete professionally while their education is being funded by a scholarship.

Once they have turned pro, they will not be able to stay on scholarship. However, that doesn’t mean Stanford won’t pay for their schooling some way, somehow. It just won’t come from an athletic scholarship - that’s against NCAA rules.

RE: Women's Golf - winflop - 11-06-2019

(11-05-2019, 09:59 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-05-2019, 09:47 PM)winflop Wrote:  Call me altruistic and idealistic. I'm also one who railed against McCaffrey's decision to skip the bowl game.

My understanding from private chats with two reporters who cover the LPGA & Q-school is that if Lee and/or turn pro that they would continue their education through graduation in June. I'm not OK with that. If they choose to leave school to go full-time on the LPGA that's a completely different story, but they shouldn't be allowed to compete professionally while their education is being funded by a scholarship.

I assume you are perfectly OK with them staying in school while competing professionally, but not with them receiving a scholarship while so doing.  I would assume that if they quit the team, which they must when they cease to be amateurs, they must also give up their scholarship. Is that not correct?

Correct. They earned their admission and have every right to complete their degree whether that is in 2020 or in the future. It just shouldn't be paid for by a scholarship whose terms they are no longer honoring. If they do forfeit their scholarship by turning pro, then I have no issue. That was not my understanding.

I still prefer that they complete their college season and then turn pro.

RE: Women's Golf - GK3 - 11-06-2019

(11-06-2019, 08:04 AM)winflop Wrote:  
(11-05-2019, 09:59 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-05-2019, 09:47 PM)winflop Wrote:  Call me altruistic and idealistic. I'm also one who railed against McCaffrey's decision to skip the bowl game.

My understanding from private chats with two reporters who cover the LPGA & Q-school is that if Lee and/or turn pro that they would continue their education through graduation in June. I'm not OK with that. If they choose to leave school to go full-time on the LPGA that's a completely different story, but they shouldn't be allowed to compete professionally while their education is being funded by a scholarship.

I do not see how they could turn pro, stay in school and effectively compete on the tour.  Four rounds a week, plus practice rounds, travel etc. would make staying in school impossible for most of us.  I think you would have to devote all your time to improving your game to have it make any sense to turn pro.  Turn pro, and play the tour, or stay in school and turn pro at the end of May.  Making a decent living on the LPGA is probably harder than on the PGA.  Mariah Stackhouse was something like 100th on the earnings list for this year, with around $100,000 in earnings.  I don't know how much it takes for travel, housing, lessons, trainers and all that, but my guess that she has spent a lot of that money already.  On the other hand, Patrick Rodgers seems to make $1,000,000 or more a year and do it with only 3 top ten finishes or so and keeps his card.  Looks like Maverick might pass him this year.  Like every other sport, the number of great college players who graduate and become really successful pros is a pretty small number in any sport.
I can understand the challenge of waiting until end of May and then hoping to do well enough to keep your card.  The proposal to allow those who wait to be on the Symetra Tour the year they graduate and then have a full year on the LPGA would make a lot of sense.   Maybe include 3 or 4 spots on the LPGA that first year.

I assume you are perfectly OK with them staying in school while competing professionally, but not with them receiving a scholarship while so doing.  I would assume that if they quit the team, which they must when they cease to be amateurs, they must also give up their scholarship. Is that not correct?

Correct. They earned their admission and have every right to complete their degree whether that is in 2020 or in the future. It just shouldn't be paid for by a scholarship whose terms they are no longer honoring. If they do forfeit their scholarship by turning pro, then I have no issue. That was not my understanding.

I still prefer that they complete their college season and then turn pro.


RE: Women's Golf - Spiny_Norman - 11-07-2019

The pipeline continues to be filled.

Stanford commit (and high school junior) Rose Zhang named AJGA Rolex Player of the Year - https://golfweek.com/2019/11/06/junior-golf-rose-zhang-latest-california-player-named-ajga-rolex-player-year/