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RE: Shaw: The agony and the ec$tacy [merged] - CTcard - 06-08-2021
(06-08-2021, 12:38 PM)Giants Wrote: If the conference begins to show it can compete in these marquee games, the P12 will be invited to play in the even higher profile night games on the opening weekend. You gotta crawl before you can walk. Right now, the P12 is in its crawling stage. Heck, if I was the commissioner I would sign as many contracts as possible to get the conference’s teams in high profile TV games regardless of the kickoff time. If successful, I would then be in a position to dictate who, where, and game time.
Past history shows that doesn't work.
Traditionally the Pac 12 plays a higher percentage of its out of conference games against P5 schools than do other conferences (though they also play fewer out of conference games overall). And overall the Pac 12's win/loss record in these games is fine (in fact, averaged over any length of time the P5 records against each other are pretty even, though if I remember correctly the SEC doing well against the ACC slightly raises one of those and lowers the other).
The lack of respect for the Pac 12 is a combination of college sports being less popular on the west coast and fan paranoia.
Here is a table on the topic apparently covering 1998 - 2020, though apparently excluding Notre Dame. Pac 12 has the second best inter-conference winning percentage.
Interconference.
RE: Shaw: The agony and the ec$tacy [merged] - martyup - 06-09-2021
This game time scheduling issue seems like a good opportunity for the new Pac-12 Commissioner to step up and show that he has some huevos.
RE: Shaw: The agony and the ec$tacy [merged] - slide - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 08:03 AM)martyup Wrote: This game time scheduling issue seems like a good opportunity for the new Pac-12 Commissioner to step up and show that he has some huevos.
channeling CI, huevos or cojones?
RE: Shaw: The agony and the ec$tacy [merged] - Goose - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 08:03 AM)martyup Wrote: This game time scheduling issue seems like a good opportunity for the new Pac-12 Commissioner to step up and show that he has some huevos.Having huevos when you have no leverage isn't going to help you much. The terms of a new media contract aren't going to be dictated by the PAC-12. If anything, they will be in a weaker position than when the previous ones were negotiated. If the PAC-12 wants certain scheduling rights, they are going to have to pay for them by accepting a lower offer. It is also possible that nobody will offer a contract at all without schedule options that the PAC-12 really doesn't like. Obviously, the PAC-12 should negotiate the best deal possible, but what that deal will be isn't really in their control. They can of course just walk away, but I don't thing that is a real option and the media companies know that.
RE: Shaw: The agony and the ec$tacy [merged] - CowboyIndian - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 08:09 AM)slide Wrote:(06-09-2021, 08:03 AM)martyup Wrote: This game time scheduling issue seems like a good opportunity for the new Pac-12 Commissioner to step up and show that he has some huevos.
channeling CI, huevos or cojones?
Todo los dos!
lex24 - lex24 - 06-09-2021
(06-08-2021, 08:03 AM)terry Wrote:(06-08-2021, 07:46 AM)lex24 Wrote: Yep. How often does an East Coast Power 5 team come West and play at 7:30?
Stanford's game at Wake Forest in 2009 started at 9 am PDT (12 noon EDT). Stanford lost 24-17.
We returned the favor the following year at home, when we kicked off against Wake Forest at 8:15 pm PDT (11:15 pm EDT). We won 68-24.
I'm guessing that Shaw is so vocal about the early kickoff time because he's still emotionally scarred by the Northwestern game in 2015, when Stanford kicked off at 11 am CDT (9 am PDT) and played miserably in a 16-6 loss. That was the only game all season long in which Stanford scored fewer than 30 points. That was a really good Stanford team, which ended up winning the Rose Bowl and ranked #3 in the final poll.
You can do that to Wake Forest. But not a top tier Power 5 Eastern (or even Central) time zone team. Course, they don’t come West for the most part anyway.
(06-08-2021, 10:38 AM)needle Wrote: If you are wondering, as I did:
Quote:The game will also serve as a lucrative payday for only one team. Because this game was originally supposed to be played on K-State’s campus, Stanford will only receive enough money to cover travel costs as agreed upon in the original home-and-home series contract.
K-State gets $2.8 million, apparently.
On discussions about a neutral site game:
Quote:“Then when they started talking numbers we realized we will net more than we would net from playing Stanford at home. With what we faced this year financially, being able to have that nice guarantee will help us build things back up.”
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article248479885.html
Perhaps I'm way off on this, but given the tenor of Shaw's comments I'd say there is a very small but non-zero chance Stanford pulls out of the game entirely.
I hope not. That would look very bad. And Gail is right vis a vis consequences.