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RE: Davis Mills - 82lsju - 12-28-2021
(12-28-2021, 03:48 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:10 PM)teejers1 Wrote: I think you're underestimating the draw of the prospect of playing in Big Bowls . . . you know, the ones Stanford used to play in with some frequency. That is gonzo (and ain't coming back any time soon), with unfortunate and predictable ramifications (that only make the climb back steeper).
I think that for most NFL bound players bowl games are a public relations obstacle, not a desired outcome. Look at the two tOSU wide receivers that elected not to play in the Rose Bowl. If you won't be back next year, no reason to play. There are perhaps a few guys that would come back to a school that was close but didn't make it to the CFP. However, as I said before, those are the guys who actually "need" to come back. The "elite" players are gone to the NFL. Too much risk. And the definition of "elite" gets looser every year.
(12-28-2021, 03:31 PM)lex24 Wrote: 41 Michigan transfers played elsewhere last year. 16 left after 2020. Here’s the source: https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2021/12/21/heres-how-41-michigan-football-transfers-performed-at-their-new-schools-this-season/
I assume this count does not include guys who went to the NFL?
Four OSU players skipping the Rose Bowl to prepare for the draft
Quote:Ohio State junior wide receiver Garrett Wilson announced Monday that he will forgo his senior season of eligibility and declare for the 2022 NFL Draft. Wilson will also opt out of Saturday's Rose Bowl vs. Utah.
...
Additionally, Ryan Day confirmed to reporters on Monday that fellow wideout Chris Olave, defensive lineman Haskell Garrett and offensive lineman Nicholas Petit-Frere have opted out of the bowl to focus on the draft
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2022-nfl-draft-garrett-wilson-chris-olave-among-buckeyes-stars-to-opt-out-of-rose-bowl-vs-utah/
lex24 - lex24 - 12-28-2021
(12-28-2021, 03:47 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:31 PM)lex24 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:10 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 02:51 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-28-2021, 12:46 PM)teejers1 Wrote: What your rhetorical question omits is this: " . . . when there is no prospect of being on a good team - let alone a really good one - at Stanford the next season?" That is another big problem with the decline of the program under Shaw - players with eligibility are bolting and not sticking around for another good/great run.I agree it is a problem, but a small one compared to the other problems we have. Given the sharp and recent memories of several guys who elected to play another year (at Stanford and elsewhere), got hurt, and lost their NFL career opportunity, athletes that have any kind of an acceptable NFL draft expectation are going to leave. This is also the advice they are getting from their peers and gurus. Andrew Luck types are totally the exception in the "new" college football. In Bucks We Trust. This is especially true of players who had a good year, got their degree, and have generated some draft "buzz". If a player doesn't have a degree yet, believes he can make a better showing next year, and has no current draft prospects, returning can make sense. In those cases, how good he expects the team to be may matter. However, these are usually more marginal players. Guys like Mills make a big enough splash that risking another year in college makes no sense. I didn't think he would get drafted. Too small a sample size, injury history. In today's world, that meant little.
How many Michigan players with eligibility remaining left early? I know the much-ballyhooed DE stuck around. I think you're underestimating the draw of the prospect of playing in Big Bowls . . . you know, the ones Stanford used to play in with some frequency. That is gonzo (and ain't coming back any time soon), with unfortunate and predictable ramifications (that only make the climb back steeper).
41 Michigan transfers played elsewhere last year. 16 left after 2020. Here’s the source: https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2021/12/21/heres-how-41-michigan-football-transfers-performed-at-their-new-schools-this-season/
That's almost a non-sequitur, as the kids who left Michigan did so because they wanted more PT elsewhere. Stanford players with eligibility, who would start, are bailing on the Cardinal. Some got drafted, some did not, some opted to enroll elsewhere. The situations are not comparable.
Name Stanford potential starters that have left. Sure there have been some. Same with Michigan.
Michigan list does not include those that left early for NFL.
College players are moving all over the place. Stanfords problem is they can’t often take advantage of the transfer aspect of the portal.
RE: Davis Mills - Phogge - 12-28-2021
I am a lot less attracted to college football. Used to love basketball but don’t even watch anymore because the best players take an Uber away after their last freshman game. The NCAA and ESPN are in a collusion that has changed the spirit of football and I just DGAS anymore. The NFL has a perfect minor league system and they don’t have to pay for it.
lex24 - lex24 - 12-28-2021
(12-28-2021, 04:26 PM)Phogge Wrote: I am a lot less attracted to college football. Used to love basketball but don’t even watch anymore because the best players take an Uber away after their last freshman game. The NCAA and ESPN are in a collusion that has changed the spirit of football and I just DGAS anymore. The NFL has a perfect minor league system and they don’t have to pay for it.
I drew away from College hoops awhile ago. I just think the quality of play has dropped. Not the athleticism. The play.
The one and done has hurt College hoops imo badly. Let kids go straight from high school to NBA or it’s development league. Go to a baseball rule, can’t be drafted until after sophomore season (I know it’s junior year in baseball). That will improve the game a bit. Maybe.
I’d also move the 3 pt line to NBA line. That would improve spacing and open the floor up a bit. The court is squeezed in half court offenses.
Finally, change the emphasis on charge-block. I agree with Jay Bilas - NCAA refs hand out charging calls like Halloween candy. It’s awful. Default should be a block call. I particularly dislike seeing a post player “defend” a penetrating guard by standing with his arms at his side waiting to “take the charge”. Get up and challenge the shot and if you send the guy sprawling so be it. Your job is to intimidate. Not stand there to get run over and leave it up to the Zebras.
RE: lex24 - teejers1 - 12-28-2021
(12-28-2021, 04:01 PM)lex24 Wrote:Well, in this year, Reid. And more may be coming. And is he a guy going to be drafted in NFL? Highly doubtful. Look, you're a smart guy, you know the difference between college football starters leaving program for NFL R1-3 and said starters just leaving.(12-28-2021, 03:47 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:31 PM)lex24 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:10 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 02:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I agree it is a problem, but a small one compared to the other problems we have. Given the sharp and recent memories of several guys who elected to play another year (at Stanford and elsewhere), got hurt, and lost their NFL career opportunity, athletes that have any kind of an acceptable NFL draft expectation are going to leave. This is also the advice they are getting from their peers and gurus. Andrew Luck types are totally the exception in the "new" college football. In Bucks We Trust. This is especially true of players who had a good year, got their degree, and have generated some draft "buzz". If a player doesn't have a degree yet, believes he can make a better showing next year, and has no current draft prospects, returning can make sense. In those cases, how good he expects the team to be may matter. However, these are usually more marginal players. Guys like Mills make a big enough splash that risking another year in college makes no sense. I didn't think he would get drafted. Too small a sample size, injury history. In today's world, that meant little.
How many Michigan players with eligibility remaining left early? I know the much-ballyhooed DE stuck around. I think you're underestimating the draw of the prospect of playing in Big Bowls . . . you know, the ones Stanford used to play in with some frequency. That is gonzo (and ain't coming back any time soon), with unfortunate and predictable ramifications (that only make the climb back steeper).
41 Michigan transfers played elsewhere last year. 16 left after 2020. Here’s the source: https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2021/12/21/heres-how-41-michigan-football-transfers-performed-at-their-new-schools-this-season/
That's almost a non-sequitur, as the kids who left Michigan did so because they wanted more PT elsewhere. Stanford players with eligibility, who would start, are bailing on the Cardinal. Some got drafted, some did not, some opted to enroll elsewhere. The situations are not comparable.
Name Stanford potential starters that have left. Sure there have been some. Same with Michigan.
Michigan list does not include those that left early for NFL.
College players are moving all over the place. Stanfords problem is they can’t often take advantage of the transfer aspect of the portal.
RE: lex24 - Goose - 12-28-2021
(12-28-2021, 05:59 PM)teejers1 Wrote: Well, in this year, Reid. And more may be coming. And is he a guy going to be drafted in NFL? Highly doubtful.As for Gabe Reid, indeed he isn't a candidate for the NFL. He has been at Stanford for 5 years. He has a degree and will have a masters by the end of spring quarter. He also went on a mission so he is even older than a fifth year normally would be. I think it would be very hard to argue that if he thought Stanford would be 10-2 next year he would stay around. If he wants another degree paid for by somebody else, moving on makes sense. I suspect the Stanford record makes little or no difference to him. I would also suspect (but don't know)Stanford would not offer him a scholarship for year 6.
https://twitter.com/gabereid90/status/1467873675818848256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1467873675818848256%7Ctwgr%5Ehb_0_7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fstanford.rivals.com%2Fnews%2Fstanford-5th-year-olb-gabe-reid-enters-grad-transfer-portal
RE: lex24 - 82lsju - 12-28-2021
(12-28-2021, 06:40 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-28-2021, 05:59 PM)teejers1 Wrote: Well, in this year, Reid. And more may be coming. And is he a guy going to be drafted in NFL? Highly doubtful.As for Gabe Reid, indeed he isn't a candidate for the NFL. He has been at Stanford for 5 years. He has a degree and will have a masters by the end of spring quarter. He also went on a mission so he is even older than a fifth year normally would be. I think it would be very hard to argue that if he thought Stanford would be 10-2 next year he would stay around. If he wants another degree paid for by somebody else, moving on makes sense. I suspect the Stanford record makes little or no difference to him. I would also suspect (but don't know)Stanford would not offer him a scholarship for year 6.
https://twitter.com/gabereid90/status/1467873675818848256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1467873675818848256%7Ctwgr%5Ehb_0_7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fstanford.rivals.com%2Fnews%2Fstanford-5th-year-olb-gabe-reid-enters-grad-transfer-portal
I vaguely recall someone posting here that he's married and his wife is living in the SLC area which would be another motivation to transfer to Utah
RE: Davis Mills - qwerty49 - 12-28-2021
(12-28-2021, 03:57 PM)82lsju Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:48 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:10 PM)teejers1 Wrote: I think you're underestimating the draw of the prospect of playing in Big Bowls . . . you know, the ones Stanford used to play in with some frequency. That is gonzo (and ain't coming back any time soon), with unfortunate and predictable ramifications (that only make the climb back steeper).
I think that for most NFL bound players bowl games are a public relations obstacle, not a desired outcome. Look at the two tOSU wide receivers that elected not to play in the Rose Bowl. If you won't be back next year, no reason to play. There are perhaps a few guys that would come back to a school that was close but didn't make it to the CFP. However, as I said before, those are the guys who actually "need" to come back. The "elite" players are gone to the NFL. Too much risk. And the definition of "elite" gets looser every year.
(12-28-2021, 03:31 PM)lex24 Wrote: 41 Michigan transfers played elsewhere last year. 16 left after 2020. Here’s the source: https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2021/12/21/heres-how-41-michigan-football-transfers-performed-at-their-new-schools-this-season/
I assume this count does not include guys who went to the NFL?
Four OSU players skipping the Rose Bowl to prepare for the draft
Quote:Ohio State junior wide receiver Garrett Wilson announced Monday that he will forgo his senior season of eligibility and declare for the 2022 NFL Draft. Wilson will also opt out of Saturday's Rose Bowl vs. Utah.
...
Additionally, Ryan Day confirmed to reporters on Monday that fellow wideout Chris Olave, defensive lineman Haskell Garrett and offensive lineman Nicholas Petit-Frere have opted out of the bowl to focus on the draft
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2022-nfl-draft-garrett-wilson-chris-olave-among-buckeyes-stars-to-opt-out-of-rose-bowl-vs-utah/
It's interesting how Covid and NIL have joined the perfect storm of events and circumstances (including TV and NFL money) that IMO will be the demise of "big-time" college football and basketball as we know it.
I'm one of those old cranky guys who doesn't believe a 6-6 team should be playing in a bowl. Much less two such teams playing each other. But someone discovered you could make a lot of money within that framework so now we have "bowl inflation."
And yeah, I understand why they're called "revenue sports" but I just wish a reasonable definition of "amateur" vs "professional" could be developed, supported and enforced with some consistency.
And BTW, I recently spoke with a close friend who is a knowledgeable sports fan and has ties to the Hollywood representation world, and he says the SoCal buzz over UCLA recently signing the #1-ranked WBB recruit away from us has some bearing to the feeling that Hollywood has more aura and juice in the NIL universe than Silicon Valley does. As if we didn't have enough recruiting battles to fight.
RE: Davis Mills - Phogge - 12-28-2021
Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
RE: Davis Mills - Goose - 12-28-2021
(12-28-2021, 06:46 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: But someone discovered you could make a lot of money within that framework so now we have "bowl inflation."Actually I think that happened just before the Big Bang
RE: Davis Mills - teejers1 - 12-29-2021
(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.
And for your wife/Utah, I'll give you a Utah/Rose Bowl.
The fact is that Stanford is no longer a Big Bowl participant and that is dissuading eligible kids from sticking around for another year, even ones with no legit NFL aspirations. As a poster on TOS notes, we have lost our much-needed "old man strength" on the lines. And that is killing us.
lex24 - lex24 - 12-29-2021
(12-28-2021, 05:59 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 04:01 PM)lex24 Wrote:Well, in this year, Reid. And more may be coming. And is he a guy going to be drafted in NFL? Highly doubtful. Look, you're a smart guy, you know the difference between college football starters leaving program for NFL R1-3 and said starters just leaving.(12-28-2021, 03:47 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:31 PM)lex24 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:10 PM)teejers1 Wrote: How many Michigan players with eligibility remaining left early? I know the much-ballyhooed DE stuck around. I think you're underestimating the draw of the prospect of playing in Big Bowls . . . you know, the ones Stanford used to play in with some frequency. That is gonzo (and ain't coming back any time soon), with unfortunate and predictable ramifications (that only make the climb back steeper).
41 Michigan transfers played elsewhere last year. 16 left after 2020. Here’s the source: https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2021/12/21/heres-how-41-michigan-football-transfers-performed-at-their-new-schools-this-season/
That's almost a non-sequitur, as the kids who left Michigan did so because they wanted more PT elsewhere. Stanford players with eligibility, who would start, are bailing on the Cardinal. Some got drafted, some did not, some opted to enroll elsewhere. The situations are not comparable.
Name Stanford potential starters that have left. Sure there have been some. Same with Michigan.
Michigan list does not include those that left early for NFL.
College players are moving all over the place. Stanfords problem is they can’t often take advantage of the transfer aspect of the portal.
You’ve named one stater. And as pointed out, his decision may be family based. I think at all schools players enter the portal for a host of individual reasons. If you have evidence that Stanford players are leaving due to program issues, by all means, present it.
Stanford allegedly had a good recruiting class. And as I understand it, the class was heavy on both the offensive and defensive lines. So, maybe things improve.Who knows.
RE: Davis Mills - Maple Leaf - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 11:40 AM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.
And for your wife/Utah, I'll give you a Utah/Rose Bowl.
The fact is that Stanford is no longer a Big Bowl participant and that is dissuading eligible kids from sticking around for another year, even ones with no legit NFL aspirations. As a poster on TOS notes, we have lost our much-needed "old man strength" on the lines. And that is killing us.
Back when Ralston was in this 3 or 4 year there was an article on the Stanford team that Ralston had at that time and one statement that stood out was "Stanford with the exception of Blaine Nye is too small and too slow along both sides of the line of scrimmage". Unfortunately, Stanford now just that. Back when that statement was made being small also implied being not physical/strong.
RE: Davis Mills - Goose - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 11:40 AM)teejers1 Wrote:I suspect none of us on this board have set down with Reid and asked him to explain himself. It is possible he is leaving solely because he fears Stanford will not have a good year next year. However, it is clear there are many other reasons that have been presented that are at least as plausible if not more so. From my point of view, going to another school to allow you to live with your wife and get another degree is much more attractive than staying at a school where you have spent the last five years that is far from home. This all begs the question about him getting admitted for another degree at Stanford and whether a scholarship is even on offer. It is therefore obvious there are lots of good reasons to go other that what the teams record next year may be.(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
Quote:If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.As McEnroe said, "you can't be serious". In the presence of many plausible reasons that such a move makes eminent sense, doing so is somehow damning (of the Stanford program). That simply makes no sense. That logic says that anybody who leaves for any perfectly good reason with eligibility remaining is "damning". Such an assertion makes no sense IMHO.
I think that everybody would agree that the expectation that the Stanford team will not have a great record next year could certainly discourage some players from returning. However, asserting it is a controlling or substantial factor in the presence of many other definite factors is very dubious.
RE: lex24 - teejers1 - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 11:45 AM)lex24 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 05:59 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 04:01 PM)lex24 Wrote:Well, in this year, Reid. And more may be coming. And is he a guy going to be drafted in NFL? Highly doubtful. Look, you're a smart guy, you know the difference between college football starters leaving program for NFL R1-3 and said starters just leaving.(12-28-2021, 03:47 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 03:31 PM)lex24 Wrote: 41 Michigan transfers played elsewhere last year. 16 left after 2020. Here’s the source: https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2021/12/21/heres-how-41-michigan-football-transfers-performed-at-their-new-schools-this-season/
That's almost a non-sequitur, as the kids who left Michigan did so because they wanted more PT elsewhere. Stanford players with eligibility, who would start, are bailing on the Cardinal. Some got drafted, some did not, some opted to enroll elsewhere. The situations are not comparable.
Name Stanford potential starters that have left. Sure there have been some. Same with Michigan.
Michigan list does not include those that left early for NFL.
College players are moving all over the place. Stanfords problem is they can’t often take advantage of the transfer aspect of the portal.
You’ve named one stater. And as pointed out, his decision may be family based. I think at all schools players enter the portal for a host of individual reasons. If you have evidence that Stanford players are leaving due to program issues, by all means, present it.
Oh for goodness sake. You expect Stanford kids to say: "Yeah, I have another year left to play ball, and I want to play. But Stanford sucks so much that I'm going to a real program with real fan support."? How about this: you go on believing that all is hunky dory in the program; and I'll go on believing that the program will not climb out of the abyss until MAJOR changes are made. That should cover most bases.
P.S. I will give you this: the recruiting class is big and schools must go back to 85 scholie limit (iirc). This has led to "tough decisions" for a lot of schools, including Stanford. But when a starter in a position of need bails to play at another school (as opposed to going NFL), then that is a bad indicator in my book . . . even with a scholie crunch. Roster management - which had never been an issue with so many unused scholies under Shaw - is also on HC/staff to handle properly.
lex24 - lex24 - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 12:13 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-29-2021, 11:45 AM)lex24 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 05:59 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 04:01 PM)lex24 Wrote:Well, in this year, Reid. And more may be coming. And is he a guy going to be drafted in NFL? Highly doubtful. Look, you're a smart guy, you know the difference between college football starters leaving program for NFL R1-3 and said starters just leaving.(12-28-2021, 03:47 PM)teejers1 Wrote: That's almost a non-sequitur, as the kids who left Michigan did so because they wanted more PT elsewhere. Stanford players with eligibility, who would start, are bailing on the Cardinal. Some got drafted, some did not, some opted to enroll elsewhere. The situations are not comparable.
Name Stanford potential starters that have left. Sure there have been some. Same with Michigan.
Michigan list does not include those that left early for NFL.
College players are moving all over the place. Stanfords problem is they can’t often take advantage of the transfer aspect of the portal.
You’ve named one stater. And as pointed out, his decision may be family based. I think at all schools players enter the portal for a host of individual reasons. If you have evidence that Stanford players are leaving due to program issues, by all means, present it.
Oh for goodness sake. You expect Stanford kids to say: "Yeah, I have another year left to play ball, and I want to play. But Stanford sucks so much that I'm going to a real program with real fan support."? How about this: you go on believing that all is hunky dory in the program; and I'll go on believing that the program will not climb out of the abyss until MAJOR changes are made. That should cover most bases.
P.S. I will give you this: the recruiting class is big and schools must go back to 85 scholie limit (iirc). This has led to "tough decisions" for a lot of schools, including Stanford. But when a starter in a position of need bails to play at another school (as opposed to going NFL), then that is a bad indicator in my book . . . even with a scholie crunch. Roster management - which had never been an issue with so many unused scholies under Shaw - is also on HC/staff to handle properly.
No, I expect people to back up bold statements with facts. One starter. With potentially reasons that have nothing to do with the program. If there is an exodus, I will give you your due. And admit I was wrong. I promise you that. If, otoh, Reid is the only one, than your point is not well taken.
As for “the program” - have I said its “hunky-dory”. Don’t think so. Just hoping it gets better. That’s allowed. Isn’t it?
RE: Davis Mills - teejers1 - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 12:09 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-29-2021, 11:40 AM)teejers1 Wrote:I suspect none of us on this board have set down with Reid and asked him to explain himself. It is possible he is leaving solely because he fears Stanford will not have a good year next year. However, it is clear there are many other reasons that have been presented that are at least as plausible if not more so. From my point of view, going to another school to allow you to live with your wife and get another degree is much more attractive than staying at a school where you have spent the last five years that is far from home. This all begs the question about him getting admitted for another degree at Stanford and whether a scholarship is even on offer. It is therefore obvious there are lots of good reasons to go other that what the teams record next year may be.(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
Quote:If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.As McEnroe said, "you can't be serious". In the presence of many plausible reasons that such a move makes eminent sense, doing so is somehow damning (of the Stanford program). That simply makes no sense. That logic says that anybody who leaves for any perfectly good reason with eligibility remaining is "damning". Such an assertion makes no sense IMHO.
I think that everybody would agree that the expectation that the Stanford team will not have a great record next year could certainly discourage some players from returning. However, asserting it is a controlling or substantial factor in the presence of many other definite factors is very dubious.
How about this: will you at least acknowledge that the number of Stanford football players with eligibility remaining leaving Stanford (for whatever reason) has spiked under Shaw? And do you think that spike is also true for kids who played (and I mean got meaningful PT) at Stanford and then opted to play another year at another university?
RE: Davis Mills - cardcrimson - 12-29-2021
I'm perplexed. I thought this thread was about Davis Mills. . . .
RE: Davis Mills - Phogge - 12-29-2021
Probably not because of the Blaine Nye article Ralston went out and got Sampson, Jubb, Laz, Perrault, Cowan, Graves, Butler, Sande, Tipton and others. Then he was able to bring in JC’s Vataha, Barnes and Simone which you all point out is impossible now.
If Eubanks, Shaw and the staff can’t bring those kind of guys anymore then somebody else must try and if the administration won’t get involved then drop the facade of D1 football. Concentrate on geniuses and PHD’s and gymnastics and women’s hoops.
Reminds me of the old line... Washington, first in War, first in peace and last in the American League.
lex24 - lex24 - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 12:20 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-29-2021, 12:09 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-29-2021, 11:40 AM)teejers1 Wrote:I suspect none of us on this board have set down with Reid and asked him to explain himself. It is possible he is leaving solely because he fears Stanford will not have a good year next year. However, it is clear there are many other reasons that have been presented that are at least as plausible if not more so. From my point of view, going to another school to allow you to live with your wife and get another degree is much more attractive than staying at a school where you have spent the last five years that is far from home. This all begs the question about him getting admitted for another degree at Stanford and whether a scholarship is even on offer. It is therefore obvious there are lots of good reasons to go other that what the teams record next year may be.(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
Quote:If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.As McEnroe said, "you can't be serious". In the presence of many plausible reasons that such a move makes eminent sense, doing so is somehow damning (of the Stanford program). That simply makes no sense. That logic says that anybody who leaves for any perfectly good reason with eligibility remaining is "damning". Such an assertion makes no sense IMHO.
I think that everybody would agree that the expectation that the Stanford team will not have a great record next year could certainly discourage some players from returning. However, asserting it is a controlling or substantial factor in the presence of many other definite factors is very dubious.
How about this: will you at least acknowledge that the number of Stanford football players with eligibility remaining leaving Stanford (for whatever reason) has spiked under Shaw? And do you think that spike is also true for kids who played (and I mean got meaningful PT) at Stanford and then opted to play another year at another university?
Yes, it has spiked. Of course, the transfer portal didn’t exist until 2018. So, it’s an irrelevant data point.
And Cardcrimson - no thread that even touches upon Stanford football (and even those that don’t) are immune from the Shawbash Cannonball…..