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Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - yvonne - 12-19-2011
(12-18-2011, 04:28 PM)stonewallpoke link Wrote:So from what I can gather, Stanford is essentially Texas with a competent quarterback and better tight ends. Is that fair?
Comparing teams involves comparing personnel at key positions, as well as comparing schemes. I haven't seen Texas, so I don't know how they line up for their base offenses and defenses. However, statistically, Stanford and Texas seems to be a very poor comparison.
| Texas | Stanford |
| PASSING YARDS | |
| 193.6 | 273.0 |
| 85th Overall | 26th Overall |
| RUSHING YARDS | |
| 210.4 | 207.9 |
| 19th Overall | 22nd Overall |
| POINTS FOR | |
| 28.7 | 43.6 |
| 53rd Overall | 5th Overall |
| POINTS AGAINST | |
| 23.3 | 20.3 |
| 42nd Overall | 23rd Overall |
Of course, comparing statistics across conferences is a kind of invalid because it doesn't take into account the competition levels and the styles of play of the teams in the conference. On the surface, anyway, it seems that Texas has a much worse offense than Stanford, largely because of an ineffective passing game. We lack receivers, but have been able to get the job done through the tight ends. Texas' poor offense is really evident in that it scored only 24 points against a reportedly weak Baylor defense.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - yvonne - 12-19-2011
(12-18-2011, 04:28 PM)stonewallpoke link Wrote:So from what I can gather, Stanford is essentially Texas with a competent quarterback and better tight ends. Is that fair?
Comparing teams involves comparing personnel at key positions, as well as comparing schemes. I haven't seen Texas, so I don't know how they line up for their base offenses and defenses. However, statistically, Stanford and Texas seems to be a very poor comparison.
| Texas | Stanford |
| PASSING YARDS | |
| 193.6 | 273.0 |
| 85th Overall | 26th Overall |
| RUSHING YARDS | |
| 210.4 | 207.9 |
| 19th Overall | 22nd Overall |
| POINTS FOR | |
| 28.7 | 43.6 |
| 53rd Overall | 5th Overall |
| POINTS AGAINST | |
| 23.3 | 20.3 |
| 42nd Overall | 23rd Overall |
Of course, comparing statistics across conferences is a kind of invalid because it doesn't take into account the competition levels and the styles of play of the teams in the conference. On the surface, anyway, it seems that Texas has a much worse offense than Stanford, largely because of an ineffective passing game. We lack receivers, but have been able to get the job done through the tight ends. Texas' poor offense is really evident in that it scored only 24 points against a reportedly weak Baylor defense.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - GulfCoastPoke - 12-19-2011
Oklahoma State's OL may be good, but there is no way it is any better than the University of South Central's. None.Â
And you're basing this on what, exactly?
Oklahoma State's receiving threats are good, but they aren't any better than the University of South Central's.
The two time bilitnikoff award winner disagrees with you.
Oklahoma State's secondary may be good but there is no way it is more physical than Oregon's or the University of South Central's. I can buy Oklahoma State having the most physical corner Stanford has faced.
See question in regards to our O-line.
Stanford has the hardest hitting Safety Oklahoma State will have faced this year, in Delano Howell. He made first team All Pac-12 even though he missed 1/3 of the season.Â
Looking forward to seeing him in action. Our safety, Markelle Martin, is an All-American.
Oklahoma State will be the first team that has to deal with Stanford fully healthy at TE since Oct. 22.
Ok.
It's a very tight rope to walk when your defense has to rely on turnovers to win.Â
I'd rather a d that forces a turnover than a team that forces a punt any day of the week.
Stanford's secondary couldn't have a worse match-up than Oklahoma State's receivers, but Stanford's pass defense doesn't give up a lot of big scoring pass plays.
We haven't been getting many big scoring pass plays this year
Stanford fared well against the other two pass oriented spread teams it faced in Arizona and Washington State this year.
Please list other similarities between OSU and Wazzu which make this relevant.
Oklahoma State hasn't played a team like Stanford this year.Â
Stanford hasn't played a team like OSU this year.Â
Predictions:
OSU is going to play a base defense and make Stanford do what Stanford likes to do, go on long, 10+ play drives to score TDs and plan on continuing to force turnover as they have all year.Â
Stanford will never rush more than four, but will do a ton of zone blitzing.
Vegas says Oklahoma State 39 Stanford 35. The score will be under that total.
I agree with you on this one.
Oklahoma State will only win if it rushes for at least 150 yards.Â
I agree with you. Fortunately for us, I think this will happen.
People will get tired of Matt Millen praising Andrew Luck during the broadcast.
Hahaha, agree 100%. I got pretty tired of it when I watched Stanford v the University of South Central
There will be a of extremely large proportions argument over where the winner of this game should be ranked, #2 or #3, in the final polls, in front of or behind the loser of LSU-Alabama, because the media needs controversy to feed interest.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - GulfCoastPoke - 12-19-2011
Oklahoma State's OL may be good, but there is no way it is any better than the University of South Central's. None.Â
And you're basing this on what, exactly?
Oklahoma State's receiving threats are good, but they aren't any better than the University of South Central's.
The two time bilitnikoff award winner disagrees with you.
Oklahoma State's secondary may be good but there is no way it is more physical than Oregon's or the University of South Central's. I can buy Oklahoma State having the most physical corner Stanford has faced.
See question in regards to our O-line.
Stanford has the hardest hitting Safety Oklahoma State will have faced this year, in Delano Howell. He made first team All Pac-12 even though he missed 1/3 of the season.Â
Looking forward to seeing him in action. Our safety, Markelle Martin, is an All-American.
Oklahoma State will be the first team that has to deal with Stanford fully healthy at TE since Oct. 22.
Ok.
It's a very tight rope to walk when your defense has to rely on turnovers to win.Â
I'd rather a d that forces a turnover than a team that forces a punt any day of the week.
Stanford's secondary couldn't have a worse match-up than Oklahoma State's receivers, but Stanford's pass defense doesn't give up a lot of big scoring pass plays.
We haven't been getting many big scoring pass plays this year
Stanford fared well against the other two pass oriented spread teams it faced in Arizona and Washington State this year.
Please list other similarities between OSU and Wazzu which make this relevant.
Oklahoma State hasn't played a team like Stanford this year.Â
Stanford hasn't played a team like OSU this year.Â
Predictions:
OSU is going to play a base defense and make Stanford do what Stanford likes to do, go on long, 10+ play drives to score TDs and plan on continuing to force turnover as they have all year.Â
Stanford will never rush more than four, but will do a ton of zone blitzing.
Vegas says Oklahoma State 39 Stanford 35. The score will be under that total.
I agree with you on this one.
Oklahoma State will only win if it rushes for at least 150 yards.Â
I agree with you. Fortunately for us, I think this will happen.
People will get tired of Matt Millen praising Andrew Luck during the broadcast.
Hahaha, agree 100%. I got pretty tired of it when I watched Stanford v the University of South Central
There will be a of extremely large proportions argument over where the winner of this game should be ranked, #2 or #3, in the final polls, in front of or behind the loser of LSU-Alabama, because the media needs controversy to feed interest.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - fullmetal - 12-19-2011
OSU has an all-world receiver in Blackmon, but you have to think that the Woods/Lee tandem at U$C would be pretty freakin' dangerous--two threats!--to deal with. I don't see Ok. St. having two such threats...but their one threat is enough to move the chains.
Stanford *has* played a team somewhat similar to OSU this year, and that was Oregon. Somewhat similar. Yeah, their schemes might differ here and there, but from a talent perspective, my gut feeling says we'll be dealing with a lot of speed from multiple offensive positions...just like Oregon. Good thing Weeden tends to throw picks more often than D.Thomas. Too bad Weeden's a seasoned veteran.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - fullmetal - 12-19-2011
OSU has an all-world receiver in Blackmon, but you have to think that the Woods/Lee tandem at U$C would be pretty freakin' dangerous--two threats!--to deal with. I don't see Ok. St. having two such threats...but their one threat is enough to move the chains.
Stanford *has* played a team somewhat similar to OSU this year, and that was Oregon. Somewhat similar. Yeah, their schemes might differ here and there, but from a talent perspective, my gut feeling says we'll be dealing with a lot of speed from multiple offensive positions...just like Oregon. Good thing Weeden tends to throw picks more often than D.Thomas. Too bad Weeden's a seasoned veteran.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - slide - 12-19-2011
fullmetal -- I agree with you, as do many pundits who have talked about SC having 2 first round NFL draft choices at WR in Woods and Lee. in addition, they have 2 other young 5 star WRs on the team -- George Farmer and Kyle Prater. given the WR logjam (and to get his speed on the field), Farmer also started picking up TB. I am not sure if any college has equal talent at WR as SC.Â
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - slide - 12-19-2011
fullmetal -- I agree with you, as do many pundits who have talked about SC having 2 first round NFL draft choices at WR in Woods and Lee. in addition, they have 2 other young 5 star WRs on the team -- George Farmer and Kyle Prater. given the WR logjam (and to get his speed on the field), Farmer also started picking up TB. I am not sure if any college has equal talent at WR as SC.Â
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - GulfCoastPoke - 12-19-2011
Yes, I watched USC against yall in the middle of the season and I was impressed by the talent USC had, specifically at WR where they made some great plays. All I am saying is that there is not a receiver in college footall as dominant as Justin Blackmon. He has been double teamed all year and still makes plays. Double teaming him has created some holes for our slot receivers, RB to catch balls, our TE and our #2 WR. Our starting #2 WR was injured at the beginning of the season, so it has made our receiving core weaker. Our passing game does not revolve around Blackmon, although he is a large part of it, but it revolves around taking what the defense is giving us. Want to stop Blackmon, and cover the run? We'll hit our other receivers. Want to stop Blackmon and our other receivers? We'll run. Want to stop the run? We'll pass. I am not saying that we will do these things to y'all, but that has been our recipe so far this year. Â
The only exception to this was Iowa freaking State, which sold out to stop the run and Weeden had an off night and we all know how that story ended. Other games, teams sell out to stop the pass and we run it. I'm sure the same thing could be said for lots of teams.Â
I am very excited about this game. I do think that your TE's will create some mismatches which Luck will exploit. We've got talent on defense, and I am curious to see how our coaching staff handles what y'all bring to the table.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - GulfCoastPoke - 12-19-2011
Yes, I watched USC against yall in the middle of the season and I was impressed by the talent USC had, specifically at WR where they made some great plays. All I am saying is that there is not a receiver in college footall as dominant as Justin Blackmon. He has been double teamed all year and still makes plays. Double teaming him has created some holes for our slot receivers, RB to catch balls, our TE and our #2 WR. Our starting #2 WR was injured at the beginning of the season, so it has made our receiving core weaker. Our passing game does not revolve around Blackmon, although he is a large part of it, but it revolves around taking what the defense is giving us. Want to stop Blackmon, and cover the run? We'll hit our other receivers. Want to stop Blackmon and our other receivers? We'll run. Want to stop the run? We'll pass. I am not saying that we will do these things to y'all, but that has been our recipe so far this year. Â
The only exception to this was Iowa freaking State, which sold out to stop the run and Weeden had an off night and we all know how that story ended. Other games, teams sell out to stop the pass and we run it. I'm sure the same thing could be said for lots of teams.Â
I am very excited about this game. I do think that your TE's will create some mismatches which Luck will exploit. We've got talent on defense, and I am curious to see how our coaching staff handles what y'all bring to the table.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - Pokefan20 - 12-19-2011
My honest opinion:
If both teams play at their very best OSU will win by 17+points
Stanford will have alot of trouble getting into our backfield.
We will have some trouble containing Luck when we get pressure on him (we aren't the best at stopping QB's that can run).
Our defense has a lot of speed which will make it harder for your TE's to have as much success as you think.
Like every other Voldemort contender we have faced, Luck won't have good numbers until the 4th quarter when we are ahead by a couple of td's.
I'm not saying Stanford is bad but we are a terrible matchup for you. Our recieving corps as a whole are the best you have seen all season. By this im not just talking about starters i'm talking about our backups as well.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - Pokefan20 - 12-19-2011
My honest opinion:
If both teams play at their very best OSU will win by 17+points
Stanford will have alot of trouble getting into our backfield.
We will have some trouble containing Luck when we get pressure on him (we aren't the best at stopping QB's that can run).
Our defense has a lot of speed which will make it harder for your TE's to have as much success as you think.
Like every other Voldemort contender we have faced, Luck won't have good numbers until the 4th quarter when we are ahead by a couple of td's.
I'm not saying Stanford is bad but we are a terrible matchup for you. Our recieving corps as a whole are the best you have seen all season. By this im not just talking about starters i'm talking about our backups as well.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - needle - 12-19-2011
Barkley missed some throws against Stanford that he usually makes, otherwise the damage could have been much greater (the WRS were pretty clearly running free).
Some might make the argument that Stanford's pressure was the main reason for this, but I actually think Barkley had a bit of an off night throwing.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - needle - 12-19-2011
Barkley missed some throws against Stanford that he usually makes, otherwise the damage could have been much greater (the WRS were pretty clearly running free).
Some might make the argument that Stanford's pressure was the main reason for this, but I actually think Barkley had a bit of an off night throwing.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - washingtonismoney - 12-19-2011
(12-19-2011, 04:45 PM)Pokefan20 link Wrote:I'm not saying Stanford is bad but we are a terrible matchup for you. Our recieving corps as a whole are the best you have seen all season. By this im not just talking about starters i'm talking about our backups as well.
South Central is better top to bottom, though there's no one better than Blackmon.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - washingtonismoney - 12-19-2011
(12-19-2011, 04:45 PM)Pokefan20 link Wrote:I'm not saying Stanford is bad but we are a terrible matchup for you. Our recieving corps as a whole are the best you have seen all season. By this im not just talking about starters i'm talking about our backups as well.
South Central is better top to bottom, though there's no one better than Blackmon.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - estephan500 - 12-20-2011
(12-19-2011, 04:45 PM)Pokefan20 link Wrote:If both teams play at their very best OSU will win by 17+points
That's the thing with these guys from oklahoma... they show up all friendly and saying "y'all" slightly too often... then they pull off their rubber masks and say WE WILL DESTROY YOUUUUUU
Gotta say, I'm reminded that "both teams play at their very best" also implies that Stanford is playing "their very best" ... that's a pretty nuts team. If I could pick against your spread in the "both playing their very best," I'm putting lots of money on stanford.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - estephan500 - 12-20-2011
(12-19-2011, 04:45 PM)Pokefan20 link Wrote:If both teams play at their very best OSU will win by 17+points
That's the thing with these guys from oklahoma... they show up all friendly and saying "y'all" slightly too often... then they pull off their rubber masks and say WE WILL DESTROY YOUUUUUU
Gotta say, I'm reminded that "both teams play at their very best" also implies that Stanford is playing "their very best" ... that's a pretty nuts team. If I could pick against your spread in the "both playing their very best," I'm putting lots of money on stanford.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - GulfCoastPoke - 12-20-2011
(12-20-2011, 02:39 AM)estephan link Wrote:[quote author=Pokefan20 link=topic=5180.msg37702#msg37702 date=1324338327]
If both teams play at their very best OSU will win by 17+points
That's the thing with these guys from oklahoma... they show up all friendly and saying "y'all" slightly too often... then they pull off their rubber masks and say WE WILL DESTROY YOUUUUUU
Gotta say, I'm reminded that "both teams play at their very best" also implies that Stanford is playing "their very best" ... that's a pretty nuts team. If I could pick against your spread in the "both playing their very best," I'm putting lots of money on stanford.
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I laughed at the y'all comment. I'm not sue about that 20 pt comment someone else made....when was the last time you saw both teams playing their very best the whole game?
For the record, I do not think we will destroy your team (see how I painfully avoided using y'all?), and I disagree with pokes20's statements.
Re: Stanford vs. Oklahoma State: Thoughts/Predictions - GulfCoastPoke - 12-20-2011
(12-20-2011, 02:39 AM)estephan link Wrote:[quote author=Pokefan20 link=topic=5180.msg37702#msg37702 date=1324338327]
If both teams play at their very best OSU will win by 17+points
That's the thing with these guys from oklahoma... they show up all friendly and saying "y'all" slightly too often... then they pull off their rubber masks and say WE WILL DESTROY YOUUUUUU
Gotta say, I'm reminded that "both teams play at their very best" also implies that Stanford is playing "their very best" ... that's a pretty nuts team. If I could pick against your spread in the "both playing their very best," I'm putting lots of money on stanford.
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I laughed at the y'all comment. I'm not sue about that 20 pt comment someone else made....when was the last time you saw both teams playing their very best the whole game?
For the record, I do not think we will destroy your team (see how I painfully avoided using y'all?), and I disagree with pokes20's statements.