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Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - FarmBoy - 01-06-2012

Highly rated recruiting classes are great, but none of it will mean a thing if Shaw isn't able to develop quarterbacks. Just look across the bay at Tedford. He's had amazing running backs and very strong defenses, but without that elite QB, he's not able to get over the hump. He lucked into Rogers. Shaw obviously inherited a finished product in Luck and did a great job of building around his skills to pull off a great season. Now the key thing to watch over the next two years is the Stanford QB play. But I guess that's obvious.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - FarmBoy - 01-06-2012

Highly rated recruiting classes are great, but none of it will mean a thing if Shaw isn't able to develop quarterbacks. Just look across the bay at Tedford. He's had amazing running backs and very strong defenses, but without that elite QB, he's not able to get over the hump. He lucked into Rogers. Shaw obviously inherited a finished product in Luck and did a great job of building around his skills to pull off a great season. Now the key thing to watch over the next two years is the Stanford QB play. But I guess that's obvious.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - FarmBoy - 01-06-2012

Highly rated recruiting classes are great, but none of it will mean a thing if Shaw isn't able to develop quarterbacks. Just look across the bay at Tedford. He's had amazing running backs and very strong defenses, but without that elite QB, he's not able to get over the hump. He lucked into Rogers. Shaw obviously inherited a finished product in Luck and did a great job of building around his skills to pull off a great season. Now the key thing to watch over the next two years is the Stanford QB play. But I guess that's obvious.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - FarmBoy - 01-06-2012

Highly rated recruiting classes are great, but none of it will mean a thing if Shaw isn't able to develop quarterbacks. Just look across the bay at Tedford. He's had amazing running backs and very strong defenses, but without that elite QB, he's not able to get over the hump. He lucked into Rogers. Shaw obviously inherited a finished product in Luck and did a great job of building around his skills to pull off a great season. Now the key thing to watch over the next two years is the Stanford QB play. But I guess that's obvious.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - socalstanfan1 - 01-06-2012

Just to build on what everyone is saying about Odenigbo and his lean toward Stanford, Greg Biggins, ESPN recruiting analyst for the Western Region tweeted that if he is admitted, Odenigbo is all Stanford. 

FWIW, Odenigbo is already on record as saying, wherever he goes, he is strongly considering red-shirting his first year to give himself time to transition to the college game, and get adjusted to the more intense level of academics.  That sounds like a sensible plan, but I wonder if he comes in and is just dominant and can effect the game as a situational pass rusher (think, Niners and Aldon Smith), if he would reconsider.

Also, I agree totally with FarmBoy's observation about developing QBs.  Unless you have a defense like LSU or Bama, it is very difficult to have success without developing at least an above average signal caller.  I'm not sure your QB has to be all-American calibre (though who wouldn't want that if possible), but we need to develop a quarterback who can read defenses, make solid decisions, avoid stupid turnovers, convert makeable third downs.  Combine those elements with a great running attack and a very good defense, and you can count on going to a very good bowl game.  Get the All-American play from your QB, and you are challenging for Pac-12 title (if we can ever figure out how to slow down Oregon) and BCS level bowl games.  Of course, this is easier said than done.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - socalstanfan1 - 01-06-2012

Just to build on what everyone is saying about Odenigbo and his lean toward Stanford, Greg Biggins, ESPN recruiting analyst for the Western Region tweeted that if he is admitted, Odenigbo is all Stanford. 

FWIW, Odenigbo is already on record as saying, wherever he goes, he is strongly considering red-shirting his first year to give himself time to transition to the college game, and get adjusted to the more intense level of academics.  That sounds like a sensible plan, but I wonder if he comes in and is just dominant and can effect the game as a situational pass rusher (think, Niners and Aldon Smith), if he would reconsider.

Also, I agree totally with FarmBoy's observation about developing QBs.  Unless you have a defense like LSU or Bama, it is very difficult to have success without developing at least an above average signal caller.  I'm not sure your QB has to be all-American calibre (though who wouldn't want that if possible), but we need to develop a quarterback who can read defenses, make solid decisions, avoid stupid turnovers, convert makeable third downs.  Combine those elements with a great running attack and a very good defense, and you can count on going to a very good bowl game.  Get the All-American play from your QB, and you are challenging for Pac-12 title (if we can ever figure out how to slow down Oregon) and BCS level bowl games.  Of course, this is easier said than done.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - socalstanfan1 - 01-06-2012

Just to build on what everyone is saying about Odenigbo and his lean toward Stanford, Greg Biggins, ESPN recruiting analyst for the Western Region tweeted that if he is admitted, Odenigbo is all Stanford. 

FWIW, Odenigbo is already on record as saying, wherever he goes, he is strongly considering red-shirting his first year to give himself time to transition to the college game, and get adjusted to the more intense level of academics.  That sounds like a sensible plan, but I wonder if he comes in and is just dominant and can effect the game as a situational pass rusher (think, Niners and Aldon Smith), if he would reconsider.

Also, I agree totally with FarmBoy's observation about developing QBs.  Unless you have a defense like LSU or Bama, it is very difficult to have success without developing at least an above average signal caller.  I'm not sure your QB has to be all-American calibre (though who wouldn't want that if possible), but we need to develop a quarterback who can read defenses, make solid decisions, avoid stupid turnovers, convert makeable third downs.  Combine those elements with a great running attack and a very good defense, and you can count on going to a very good bowl game.  Get the All-American play from your QB, and you are challenging for Pac-12 title (if we can ever figure out how to slow down Oregon) and BCS level bowl games.  Of course, this is easier said than done.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - socalstanfan1 - 01-06-2012

Just to build on what everyone is saying about Odenigbo and his lean toward Stanford, Greg Biggins, ESPN recruiting analyst for the Western Region tweeted that if he is admitted, Odenigbo is all Stanford. 

FWIW, Odenigbo is already on record as saying, wherever he goes, he is strongly considering red-shirting his first year to give himself time to transition to the college game, and get adjusted to the more intense level of academics.  That sounds like a sensible plan, but I wonder if he comes in and is just dominant and can effect the game as a situational pass rusher (think, Niners and Aldon Smith), if he would reconsider.

Also, I agree totally with FarmBoy's observation about developing QBs.  Unless you have a defense like LSU or Bama, it is very difficult to have success without developing at least an above average signal caller.  I'm not sure your QB has to be all-American calibre (though who wouldn't want that if possible), but we need to develop a quarterback who can read defenses, make solid decisions, avoid stupid turnovers, convert makeable third downs.  Combine those elements with a great running attack and a very good defense, and you can count on going to a very good bowl game.  Get the All-American play from your QB, and you are challenging for Pac-12 title (if we can ever figure out how to slow down Oregon) and BCS level bowl games.  Of course, this is easier said than done.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - Hank 91 - 01-06-2012

I think Shaw at least had a hand in Luck's development. While that doesn't guarantee that Nottingham (or someone else) develops into the next Andrew Luck, I think it bodes well. With all the talent coming in, I don't think the quarterback has to be great, but he has to be good. Top two or three in the conference would be sufficient, anything better than that is gravy.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - Hank 91 - 01-06-2012

I think Shaw at least had a hand in Luck's development. While that doesn't guarantee that Nottingham (or someone else) develops into the next Andrew Luck, I think it bodes well. With all the talent coming in, I don't think the quarterback has to be great, but he has to be good. Top two or three in the conference would be sufficient, anything better than that is gravy.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - Hank 91 - 01-06-2012

I think Shaw at least had a hand in Luck's development. While that doesn't guarantee that Nottingham (or someone else) develops into the next Andrew Luck, I think it bodes well. With all the talent coming in, I don't think the quarterback has to be great, but he has to be good. Top two or three in the conference would be sufficient, anything better than that is gravy.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - Hank 91 - 01-06-2012

I think Shaw at least had a hand in Luck's development. While that doesn't guarantee that Nottingham (or someone else) develops into the next Andrew Luck, I think it bodes well. With all the talent coming in, I don't think the quarterback has to be great, but he has to be good. Top two or three in the conference would be sufficient, anything better than that is gravy.

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - LuckE2Bhere - 01-06-2012

As phenomenal as Andrew Luck was (and is, in so many ways), my "silver lining analysis" with respect to his departure relies on 2 key points in mitigating my despair:

1 - As others have noted, our defense should improve notably, when Skov and Lyons return (particularly if Chase Thomas stays), and

2 - Unlike Oklahoma State, for example, who amassed a grand total of 13 yards rushing against us (and proved themselves to be very depending on a QB-WR combo that's now gone), we were primarily a run-oriented offense this year... with pretty much every key component to that game returning (save DeCastro and Martin, of course).  Bottom line: we don't have to replace Andrew with an Andrew (not that we could).  I'd be thrilled to see Nottingham (or someone else) become a Todd Husak, who I don't believe ever started before his stellar senior year.

Plus, with Polian departing (and Jordan, hopefully, learning the most painful but valuable lesson that a kicker can ever learn: that you MUST immediately forget your last miss), we should be improved on special teams as well.

I'm not predicting another 11 win season, but I do believe that 9 or 10 could certainly happen (and would represent another reason for all of us to be grateful!).

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - LuckE2Bhere - 01-06-2012

As phenomenal as Andrew Luck was (and is, in so many ways), my "silver lining analysis" with respect to his departure relies on 2 key points in mitigating my despair:

1 - As others have noted, our defense should improve notably, when Skov and Lyons return (particularly if Chase Thomas stays), and

2 - Unlike Oklahoma State, for example, who amassed a grand total of 13 yards rushing against us (and proved themselves to be very depending on a QB-WR combo that's now gone), we were primarily a run-oriented offense this year... with pretty much every key component to that game returning (save DeCastro and Martin, of course).  Bottom line: we don't have to replace Andrew with an Andrew (not that we could).  I'd be thrilled to see Nottingham (or someone else) become a Todd Husak, who I don't believe ever started before his stellar senior year.

Plus, with Polian departing (and Jordan, hopefully, learning the most painful but valuable lesson that a kicker can ever learn: that you MUST immediately forget your last miss), we should be improved on special teams as well.

I'm not predicting another 11 win season, but I do believe that 9 or 10 could certainly happen (and would represent another reason for all of us to be grateful!).

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - LuckE2Bhere - 01-06-2012

As phenomenal as Andrew Luck was (and is, in so many ways), my "silver lining analysis" with respect to his departure relies on 2 key points in mitigating my despair:

1 - As others have noted, our defense should improve notably, when Skov and Lyons return (particularly if Chase Thomas stays), and

2 - Unlike Oklahoma State, for example, who amassed a grand total of 13 yards rushing against us (and proved themselves to be very depending on a QB-WR combo that's now gone), we were primarily a run-oriented offense this year... with pretty much every key component to that game returning (save DeCastro and Martin, of course).  Bottom line: we don't have to replace Andrew with an Andrew (not that we could).  I'd be thrilled to see Nottingham (or someone else) become a Todd Husak, who I don't believe ever started before his stellar senior year.

Plus, with Polian departing (and Jordan, hopefully, learning the most painful but valuable lesson that a kicker can ever learn: that you MUST immediately forget your last miss), we should be improved on special teams as well.

I'm not predicting another 11 win season, but I do believe that 9 or 10 could certainly happen (and would represent another reason for all of us to be grateful!).

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - LuckE2Bhere - 01-06-2012

As phenomenal as Andrew Luck was (and is, in so many ways), my "silver lining analysis" with respect to his departure relies on 2 key points in mitigating my despair:

1 - As others have noted, our defense should improve notably, when Skov and Lyons return (particularly if Chase Thomas stays), and

2 - Unlike Oklahoma State, for example, who amassed a grand total of 13 yards rushing against us (and proved themselves to be very depending on a QB-WR combo that's now gone), we were primarily a run-oriented offense this year... with pretty much every key component to that game returning (save DeCastro and Martin, of course).  Bottom line: we don't have to replace Andrew with an Andrew (not that we could).  I'd be thrilled to see Nottingham (or someone else) become a Todd Husak, who I don't believe ever started before his stellar senior year.

Plus, with Polian departing (and Jordan, hopefully, learning the most painful but valuable lesson that a kicker can ever learn: that you MUST immediately forget your last miss), we should be improved on special teams as well.

I'm not predicting another 11 win season, but I do believe that 9 or 10 could certainly happen (and would represent another reason for all of us to be grateful!).

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - LuckE2Bhere - 01-06-2012

I'll take your word for that, Garvin.  I hadn't looked it up, and was probably mistaken in my recollection.  Was I thinking of Mark Butterfield, perhaps?

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - LuckE2Bhere - 01-06-2012

I'll take your word for that, Garvin.  I hadn't looked it up, and was probably mistaken in my recollection.  Was I thinking of Mark Butterfield, perhaps?

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - LuckE2Bhere - 01-06-2012

I'll take your word for that, Garvin.  I hadn't looked it up, and was probably mistaken in my recollection.  Was I thinking of Mark Butterfield, perhaps?

Re: Barry J. Sanders to Stanford - LuckE2Bhere - 01-06-2012

I'll take your word for that, Garvin.  I hadn't looked it up, and was probably mistaken in my recollection.  Was I thinking of Mark Butterfield, perhaps?