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RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 10:06 AM)lex24 Wrote: Poole drives me nuts. But he certainly improved dramatically from when he was a rookie - shuttling between Warriors and SC. Kuminga and Moody were in ‘21 draft. 7 and 14. Takes time. And the 14th pick is by no means a sure thing. I think both Kuminga and Moody improved from their rookie years. Moving forward, as the team transitions, we will get a better picture of how Kerr and Co do developing young players.
And who knows, maybe Kuminga plays game 7 and makes a positive contribution. If so, I’ll tip my hat….
Poole's got some amazing talent and moves, particularly on offense. And I think he'll build his defensive skills as time goes by. But he's learning the wrong lessons from Dray and Steph. He whines too much to the refs when the action is happening at the other end of the floor. He's an accomplished turnover machine. He quits at times. He can play out of control. He goes down to the floor too much when he shoots. And he takes shots that are outside of his range -- inside of Curry's range, who Poole is trying to emulate. But outside of Poole's range.
RE: NBA Discussion - TrumpCard - 04-29-2023
Responding to the comparison of the Lakers to the Warriors. Those teams are not comparable in terms of age. The Warriors’ big 3 all are all 33+. The Lakers have LeBron at 38 obviously. After that, however, the oldest player in the rotation is AD, who just turned 30.
RE: NBA Discussion - g1313 - 04-30-2023
I feel like AD's injury-adjusted age is like 78.
(04-29-2023, 09:48 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Responding to the comparison of the Lakers to the Warriors. Those teams are not comparable in terms of age. The Warriors’ big 3 all are all 33+. The Lakers have LeBron at 38 obviously. After that, however, the oldest player in the rotation is AD, who just turned 30.
RE: NBA Discussion - TrumpCard - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 07:06 AM)g1313 Wrote: I feel like AD's injury-adjusted age is like 78.
(04-29-2023, 09:48 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Responding to the comparison of the Lakers to the Warriors. Those teams are not comparable in terms of age. The Warriors’ big 3 all are all 33+. The Lakers have LeBron at 38 obviously. After that, however, the oldest player in the rotation is AD, who just turned 30.
As I tell my kids, you are entitled to your feelings.
In this instance, however, your feelings do not match the reality of how well AD is still playing. He set a new career high in rebounds/game and led the league. He’s been injured plenty, but his legs are not tired.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 04-30-2023
(04-29-2023, 08:32 PM)Mick Wrote:(04-29-2023, 10:06 AM)lex24 Wrote: Poole drives me nuts. But he certainly improved dramatically from when he was a rookie - shuttling between Warriors and SC. Kuminga and Moody were in ‘21 draft. 7 and 14. Takes time. And the 14th pick is by no means a sure thing. I think both Kuminga and Moody improved from their rookie years. Moving forward, as the team transitions, we will get a better picture of how Kerr and Co do developing young players.
And who knows, maybe Kuminga plays game 7 and makes a positive contribution. If so, I’ll tip my hat….
Poole's got some amazing talent and moves, particularly on offense. And I think he'll build his defensive skills as time goes by. But he's learning the wrong lessons from Dray and Steph. He whines too much to the refs when the action is happening at the other end of the floor. He's an accomplished turnover machine. He quits at times. He can play out of control. He goes down to the floor too much when he shoots. And he takes shots that are outside of his range -- inside of Curry's range, who Poole is trying to emulate. But outside of Poole's range.
If all Poole learns from Curry is to shoot deep threes, shame on Poole. Can’t think of a better player to learn from. I heard Kerr talking about Poole about a month ago. Said they work with him to improve his shot selection and to use his speed more off ball. Pass and cut more etc.
Curry is the best I’ve ever seen at combining on ball and off ball offensive skills. It’s rare. All great scorers are terrific on ball. Can’t think of many that are great off ball.
Curry has also made himself into a decent defender. Another thing Poole could learn. Starting with the simple aspect of actually giving an effort on the defensive end.
Finally, maybe the best lesson of all - the work effort. Curry is off the charts on that score.
(I figured the whining comment was regarding Draymond. As for quitting at times, not sure who he learned that from. Certainly not Curry or Green.)
RE: NBA Discussion - g1313 - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 08:33 AM)TrumpCard Wrote:(04-30-2023, 07:06 AM)g1313 Wrote: I feel like AD's injury-adjusted age is like 78.
(04-29-2023, 09:48 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Responding to the comparison of the Lakers to the Warriors. Those teams are not comparable in terms of age. The Warriors’ big 3 all are all 33+. The Lakers have LeBron at 38 obviously. After that, however, the oldest player in the rotation is AD, who just turned 30.
As I tell my kids, you are entitled to your feelings.
In this instance, however, your feelings do not match the reality of how well AD is still playing. He set a new career high in rebounds/game and led the league. He’s been injured plenty, but his legs are not tired.
No question AD is a top tier talent when healthy, my joke was he gets injured about as much as you would expect from a much older player. Unfortunately it would be a surprise if he made it all the way through the playoffs, last time he did the Lakers won the championship.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 09:11 AM)g1313 Wrote:(04-30-2023, 08:33 AM)TrumpCard Wrote:(04-30-2023, 07:06 AM)g1313 Wrote: I feel like AD's injury-adjusted age is like 78.
(04-29-2023, 09:48 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Responding to the comparison of the Lakers to the Warriors. Those teams are not comparable in terms of age. The Warriors’ big 3 all are all 33+. The Lakers have LeBron at 38 obviously. After that, however, the oldest player in the rotation is AD, who just turned 30.
As I tell my kids, you are entitled to your feelings.
In this instance, however, your feelings do not match the reality of how well AD is still playing. He set a new career high in rebounds/game and led the league. He’s been injured plenty, but his legs are not tired.
No question AD is a top tier talent when healthy, my joke was he gets injured about as much as you would expect from a much older player. Unfortunately it would be a surprise if he made it all the way through the playoffs, last time he did the Lakers won the championship.
Well, I don’t want to see anyone get hurt. But I sure don’t want the Lakers to win it. Or, for that matter the Suns.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 04-30-2023
Curry.
RE: NBA Discussion - Goose - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 03:08 PM)lex24 Wrote: Curry.
From the body language at the end of game 6, he was very much pi**ed off. I wasn't sure who/what he was mad at, but I was sure he was going to let everybody know that the effort in game 6 wasn't nearly enough. Curry willed it. He made it happen. Some of his teammates didn't play real well. Fortunately, the Kings didn't either. This is indeed a flawed Warrior team, but they (well, Curry) willed their way to a victory. Going forward, they are going to need to simply play better. The current approach is only good for so many trips to the well.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 03:28 PM)Goose Wrote:Not sure what you mean by “current approach “(04-30-2023, 03:08 PM)lex24 Wrote: Curry.
From the body language at the end of game 6, he was very much pi**ed off. I wasn't sure who/what he was mad at, but I was sure he was going to let everybody know that the effort in game 6 wasn't nearly enough. Curry willed it. He made it happen. Some of his teammates didn't play real well. Fortunately, the Kings didn't either. This is indeed a flawed Warrior team, but they (well, Curry) willed their way to a victory. Going forward, they are going to need to simply play better. The current approach is only good for so many trips to the well.
RE: NBA Discussion - Goose - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 03:37 PM)lex24 Wrote:Going to game 7 with a team they should have closed out in game 6 and requiring Curry to score 50 points to win it. The Kings offense pretty much fell apart in this game. You can give the Warriors some credit for that, but the inability to hit a shot when it was available really helped. Against better teams, that won't happen. Against the Kings, on any given night, that won't happen. Lots of those shots the Kings missed were "makeable". Looney doesn't get his 7 offensive rebounds in the 3rd if a few of those went in. The Warriors need to get more from the rest of the team, because Curry can't do this every game (can he?).(04-30-2023, 03:28 PM)Goose Wrote:Not sure what you mean by “current approach “(04-30-2023, 03:08 PM)lex24 Wrote: Curry.
From the body language at the end of game 6, he was very much pi**ed off. I wasn't sure who/what he was mad at, but I was sure he was going to let everybody know that the effort in game 6 wasn't nearly enough. Curry willed it. He made it happen. Some of his teammates didn't play real well. Fortunately, the Kings didn't either. This is indeed a flawed Warrior team, but they (well, Curry) willed their way to a victory. Going forward, they are going to need to simply play better. The current approach is only good for so many trips to the well.
RE: NBA Discussion - French Rage - 04-30-2023
There is a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 seed left in the second round.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 03:59 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-30-2023, 03:37 PM)lex24 Wrote:Going to game 7 with a team they should have closed out in game 6 and requiring Curry to score 50 points to win it. The Kings offense pretty much fell apart in this game. You can give the Warriors some credit for that, but the inability to hit a shot when it was available really helped. Against better teams, that won't happen. Against the Kings, on any given night, that won't happen. Lots of those shots the Kings missed were "makeable". Looney doesn't get his 7 offensive rebounds in the 3rd if a few of those went in. The Warriors need to get more from the rest of the team, because Curry can't do this every game (can he?).(04-30-2023, 03:28 PM)Goose Wrote:Not sure what you mean by “current approach “(04-30-2023, 03:08 PM)lex24 Wrote: Curry.
From the body language at the end of game 6, he was very much pi**ed off. I wasn't sure who/what he was mad at, but I was sure he was going to let everybody know that the effort in game 6 wasn't nearly enough. Curry willed it. He made it happen. Some of his teammates didn't play real well. Fortunately, the Kings didn't either. This is indeed a flawed Warrior team, but they (well, Curry) willed their way to a victory. Going forward, they are going to need to simply play better. The current approach is only good for so many trips to the well.
That has nothing to do with approach. Thompson and Wiggins had off night shooting the ball. Curry was aggressive from the get go. He won’t take 38 shots again. He never has before….
But man, the negativity blows me away. They were down two zip in the series. Yet, they “ should have put them away in 6”. Really? Kings were the higher seed and the best offensive team in the NBA. They won games five and seven on the road. This from a team that had the worst road record in the NBA. Will they beat the Lakers? I don’t know. As I said, I don’t expect this team to advance far.
But that was an incredibly enjoyable series. Which they managed to win.
Edit: Negativity might be too strong a word. Expectations probably more accurate.
(04-30-2023, 06:14 PM)French Rage Wrote: There is a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 seed left in the second round.
That has to be a first. Would love to see the odds of that.
RE: NBA Discussion - Leftcoast - 04-30-2023
The flip side of this is also true - this is the first year where a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 seed all LOST in the first round.
The Warriors, a 6 seed this year, will HOST a second round series as the home team and could go to the conference finals without ever leaving California. That's damn nice. /Lefty
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 04-30-2023
Random thoughts in the wake of a successful game 7:
I don't know where Steph sits in the GOAT argument, but he's the best we're ever going to see play for the Warriors, I suspect. I vividly remember Rick Barry and my dad remembers Wilt Chamberlain - and Steph is better than Barry, arguable about where he sits relative to Chamberlain - but this is probably the fourth best dynasty (after Celtics, Lakers and Bulls) and is reminiscent of the great 49er run from 1981 to 1995.
I think the Kings were the toughest Western Conference team (outside of the Suns) in matchup terms for the Warriors.
Thompson had an ice-cold start (1/10 shooting). He got better, as they say in Monty Python. It was an off game (or off-half) for him.
I think Wiggins will do better with a bit more rest. I hope so, anyway.
Kerr has very little faith in his players outside of Curry, Thompson, Green, Looney and Wiggins.
It doesn't surprise me that Moody has ascended to where he was. A little bit of patience is all he really required.
I think Kuminga sat too much this series, and his attitude changes more than the others in correlation to his playing time.
Poole might be - might be - starting to get it.
Looney might be the most underpaid player in the NBA.
All the starters were between +25 and +30. Kuminga was -4 in 3 minutes, GP2 was -13, DDV was -6, Poole was -2 and Moody was -5.
I think the Suns are better than the Nuggets, and yes...I think the Warriors will beat the Lakers, especially since the Warriors have home court advantage. I think the Warriors and Suns meet in the conference finals.
RE: NBA Discussion - Goose - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 06:29 PM)lex24 Wrote: That has nothing to do with approach. Thompson and Wiggins had off night shooting the ball. Curry was aggressive from the get go. He won’t take 38 shots again. He never has before….Indeed, and IMO that was the approach, or at least his approach, to the game. He was going to win it by himself, and he did. A great, transcendent feat, but IMO that is not a sustainable approach :-).
Quote:But man, the negativity blows me away. They were down two zip in the series. Yet, they “ should have put them away in 6”. Really? Kings were the higher seed and the best offensive team in the NBA. They won games five and seven on the road. This from a team that had the worst road record in the NBA.FWIW, I wasn't too discouraged when the Warriors were 0-2. All the points you make about the Kings are correct, and that they held serve wasn't that bad a factor. The Warriors needed to hold serve and win one road game. That was true going in and they did hold serve. Even better, they won their one road game. To my way of thinking, that was the "big deal". Once they did that, the series was their's. While you are correct that their road record was pretty bad, at home they were actually pretty good. The needed to win game 6. They didn't, and they looked bad doing it. If you look at my previous post, I thought that was a "must win" because of the home-away differential and because of the emotional high winning game 6 should have delivered to the Kings. At that point, I thought the Warriors were toast. Curry decided that they weren't. Indeed that was exhilarating, but looking ahead, expecting him to score 50 a night isn't a good approach. The Ws need to play better to advance. Is that being negative, Not IMHO, I think that is something we both agree upon. Can they? I think so. But then I thought they would win game 6.
Quote:Will they beat the Lakers? I don’t know. As I said, I don’t expect this team to advance far.Negativity would be saying that the Warriors have almost no chance going forward. I don't believe that. I think they have a pretty good chance to win the upcoming series. After that, it gets harder. Hopefully they don't have to have Curry bail them out again, because at some point he won't be able to do it. OTOH, Thompson didn't play great in the King's series, but he has "gone off" in the past and bailed them out. As long as they have those kind of players, they are "in it". Maybe one more? Odds are against it, but after this last game, it isn't impossible.
But that was an incredibly enjoyable series. Which they managed to win.
Negativity. May be too strong a word. Expectations probably more accurate.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 05-01-2023
McKenwood you may get your wish vs Lakers. Bigger team. Matchups may mean Kuminga gets back in rotation.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 05-01-2023
(04-30-2023, 08:08 PM)Goose Wrote: Negativity would be saying that the Warriors have almost no chance going forward. I don't believe that. I think they have a pretty good chance to win the upcoming series. After that, it gets harder. Hopefully they don't have to have Curry bail them out again, because at some point he won't be able to do it. OTOH, Thompson didn't play great in the King's series, but he has "gone off" in the past and bailed them out. As long as they have those kind of players, they are "in it". Maybe one more? Odds are against it, but after this last game, it isn't impossible.
I think the Warriors have a puncher's chance. They're like a 45 year old George Foreman beating Michael Moorer to win the heavyweight championship. It can be done. I think they'll beat the Lakers (Davis, Schroeder and LeBron all have injuries, but played 28, 23, and 31 minutes in the blowout win over the Grizzlies), even though they lost three of four to the Lakers, winning only on opening night. They didn't have Curry for the home loss or the first road loss to the Lakers, and Klay and Kevon had uncharacteristically off nights (Looney only had 5 rebounds). DDV had a very poor game, and it was Curry's first game back after his injury.
Either the Nuggets or the Suns will be tougher. The Nuggets won game 1 over the Suns pretty handily. Warriors were 0-3 in the regular season against the Nuggets, but two of the losses were extremely close. Warriors were 1-3 against the Suns. All four games were blowouts. At least they won the last game they played against the Suns, so there's that.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 05-01-2023
(05-01-2023, 06:48 AM)Mick Wrote:(04-30-2023, 08:08 PM)Goose Wrote: Negativity would be saying that the Warriors have almost no chance going forward. I don't believe that. I think they have a pretty good chance to win the upcoming series. After that, it gets harder. Hopefully they don't have to have Curry bail them out again, because at some point he won't be able to do it. OTOH, Thompson didn't play great in the King's series, but he has "gone off" in the past and bailed them out. As long as they have those kind of players, they are "in it". Maybe one more? Odds are against it, but after this last game, it isn't impossible.
I think the Warriors have a puncher's chance. They're like a 45 year old George Foreman beating Michael Moorer to win the heavyweight championship. It can be done. I think they'll beat the Lakers (Davis, Schroeder and LeBron all have injuries, but played 28, 23, and 31 minutes in the blowout win over the Grizzlies), even though they lost three of four to the Lakers, winning only on opening night. They didn't have Curry for the home loss or the first road loss to the Lakers, and Klay and Kevon had uncharacteristically off nights (Looney only had 5 rebounds). DDV had a very poor game, and it was Curry's first game back after his injury.
Either the Nuggets or the Suns will be tougher. The Nuggets won game 1 pretty handily. Warriors were 0-3 against the Nuggets, but two of the losses were extremely close. Warriors were 1-3 against the Suns. All four games were blowouts. At least they won the last game they played against the Suns, so there's that.
Regular season matchup records mean nothing. Warriors didn't have Wiggins much of the year and now have Payton. Lakers, of course also very different. Road is different in playoffs - and they still don’t have to leave Calif.
Lakers are, I think, a tough matchup with their size. To me, key in this series for Warriors will be Wiggins. He was ok vs Kings. Although h3cstruggled offensively game 7. They need a Finals version of Wiggins. When he plays at that level, they are tough.
How good was Curry? 50 points 8 rebounds 6 assists. With 1 turnover. Amazing performance.
RE: NBA Discussion - OutsiderFan - 05-01-2023
It goes without saying that there is no shortage of kids who watched Game 7 of Warriors-Kings and were inspired to play like Curry. I wonder how many saw Looney play and wanted to be him! As JVG said on the broadcast, Kevon Looney is the 39th highest paid Center in the NBA. It's hard to think of someone more underpaid in all of sports.
Lakers-Warriors is the matchup I most feared, even in the play-in game. But, that was admittedly assuming Wiggins wouldn't be playing and with uncertainty about GP2. I'm more sanguine about the match-up now.