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Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - phxfan - 12-30-2017

It would be nice if the Shapologists would address these series other than to say "he told Costello not to throw into double coverage".

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - phxfan - 12-30-2017

It would be nice if the Shapologists would address these series other than to say "he told Costello not to throw into double coverage".

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - washingtonismoney - 12-30-2017

Sure. When you face a good opponent, they are allowed to make good plays.

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - washingtonismoney - 12-30-2017

Sure. When you face a good opponent, they are allowed to make good plays.

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - Hey - 12-30-2017

I'm combining two threads here.

Alternative universe: 
1.) Okereke catches the interception and Costello throws to the unguarded Parkinson, we gain 7 more points. 

Problems:
1.) The Parkinson non-throw points out a problem that had been there for a while, Costello has tunnel vision for his roommate and JJAW.  It hadn't hurt us until last night because previously he's had pin-point accuracy.  I'm pretty sure that Colby and Dalton saw their production drop after the QB change.  Not only was Colby unguarded on that throw, but Schultz had clearly beaten his man RIGHT UNDERNEATH the double covered Kaden Smith. 

2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - Hey - 12-30-2017

I'm combining two threads here.

Alternative universe: 
1.) Okereke catches the interception and Costello throws to the unguarded Parkinson, we gain 7 more points. 

Problems:
1.) The Parkinson non-throw points out a problem that had been there for a while, Costello has tunnel vision for his roommate and JJAW.  It hadn't hurt us until last night because previously he's had pin-point accuracy.  I'm pretty sure that Colby and Dalton saw their production drop after the QB change.  Not only was Colby unguarded on that throw, but Schultz had clearly beaten his man RIGHT UNDERNEATH the double covered Kaden Smith. 

2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - Hurlburt88 - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 06:46 AM)Big Brother link Wrote:2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

I don't believe this is or should be taboo.  We have discussed the offensive coaching side ad nauseum.  I think given our history of  the defense being greater than the sum of its parts, worthy to question the defensive coaching--particularly when you have someone as strong as Akina in the mix.  Feels like next year will help establish a trend. 

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - Hurlburt88 - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 06:46 AM)Big Brother link Wrote:2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

I don't believe this is or should be taboo.  We have discussed the offensive coaching side ad nauseum.  I think given our history of  the defense being greater than the sum of its parts, worthy to question the defensive coaching--particularly when you have someone as strong as Akina in the mix.  Feels like next year will help establish a trend. 

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - troyc - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 06:46 AM)Big Brother link Wrote:2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

I don't know about Lance Armstrong's qualifications as a DC. But with Lance Anderson as Stanford's defensive coordinator:

*  the Card have always been in the Pac-12's top three in scoring defense. (1st in '14, 3rd in '15, 2nd the last two years)

*  no Pac-12 team forced more turnovers this year than Stanford. All the more amazing considering that two years ago, the Cardinal were 11th (out of 12) in that category.

*  speaking of the 2015 defense, even though they rarely forced turnovers, they were still 3rd in the Pac-12 in total defense (a stat I don't like using), and 2nd in third-down defense (a much, much more revealing statistic).

*  oh, and that 2015 defense played in the Rose Bowl. And didn't allow any points at all until that game was way out of hand.

*  besides reading box scores and watching football through a spreadsheet, football observers know that Lance is as good as it gets when it comes to making effective in-game adjustments. Ask the UCLA and Washington teams that faced Anderson's defense this year for their thoughts on this.

Seems to me that folks aren't wondering why Lance Anderson hasn't had a good year at Stanford yet not because it's a taboo subject, but because it's not a subject at all. Anderson has had better nights than he had in San Antonio (having a healthy Justin Reid certainly would've helped matters in that second half), but the assertion that he has not been a good defensive coordinator simply is not true, statistically or empirically.

Troy C

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - troyc - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 06:46 AM)Big Brother link Wrote:2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

I don't know about Lance Armstrong's qualifications as a DC. But with Lance Anderson as Stanford's defensive coordinator:

*  the Card have always been in the Pac-12's top three in scoring defense. (1st in '14, 3rd in '15, 2nd the last two years)

*  no Pac-12 team forced more turnovers this year than Stanford. All the more amazing considering that two years ago, the Cardinal were 11th (out of 12) in that category.

*  speaking of the 2015 defense, even though they rarely forced turnovers, they were still 3rd in the Pac-12 in total defense (a stat I don't like using), and 2nd in third-down defense (a much, much more revealing statistic).

*  oh, and that 2015 defense played in the Rose Bowl. And didn't allow any points at all until that game was way out of hand.

*  besides reading box scores and watching football through a spreadsheet, football observers know that Lance is as good as it gets when it comes to making effective in-game adjustments. Ask the UCLA and Washington teams that faced Anderson's defense this year for their thoughts on this.

Seems to me that folks aren't wondering why Lance Anderson hasn't had a good year at Stanford yet not because it's a taboo subject, but because it's not a subject at all. Anderson has had better nights than he had in San Antonio (having a healthy Justin Reid certainly would've helped matters in that second half), but the assertion that he has not been a good defensive coordinator simply is not true, statistically or empirically.

Troy C

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - Hey - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 08:03 AM)troyc link Wrote:Seems to me that folks aren't wondering why Lance Anderson hasn't had a good year at Stanford yet not because it's a taboo subject, but because it's not a subject at all. Anderson has had better nights than he had in San Antonio (having a healthy Justin Reid certainly would've helped matters in that second half), but the assertion that he has not been a good defensive coordinator simply is not true, statistically or empirically.

Troy C
Thank you Troy, I agree with you on all points. 

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - Hey - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 08:03 AM)troyc link Wrote:Seems to me that folks aren't wondering why Lance Anderson hasn't had a good year at Stanford yet not because it's a taboo subject, but because it's not a subject at all. Anderson has had better nights than he had in San Antonio (having a healthy Justin Reid certainly would've helped matters in that second half), but the assertion that he has not been a good defensive coordinator simply is not true, statistically or empirically.

Troy C
Thank you Troy, I agree with you on all points. 

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - Mick - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 06:46 AM)Big Brother link Wrote:2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

Agree 100%.  The defense is the real issue -- particularly depth.  But Fangios don't grow on trees. They're very difficult to find.

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - Mick - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 06:46 AM)Big Brother link Wrote:2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

Agree 100%.  The defense is the real issue -- particularly depth.  But Fangios don't grow on trees. They're very difficult to find.

Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - shinsengumi - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 08:03 AM)troyc link Wrote:*  the Card have always been in the Pac-12's top three in scoring defense. (1st in '14, 3rd in '15, 2nd the last two years)

*  no Pac-12 team forced more turnovers this year than Stanford. All the more amazing considering that two years ago, the Cardinal were 11th (out of 12) in that category.

1. Stanford's total yardage stats are often helped by the slow pace of play that we employ
2. I think BC mentioned in a separate post that we generated more turnovers than leading stats may indicate (luck?) - not entirely sure that this is something that's going to be repeatable longer term

I will say that this year's D regression is cause for concern and introspection. Next year should reveal more.

Here are some advanced rankings of our D (FEI and S&P) under our last 3 coordinators. Fangio's one year D ranking = 6; Mason's average ranking = 12; Anderson's average ranking = 30

Year DC DFEI Rk DSP Rk
2010 Fangio 6 6
2011 Mason 13 22
2012 Mason 10 11
2013 Mason 11 9
2014 Anderson 6 4
2015 Anderson 45 43
2016 Anderson 11 18
2017 Anderson 62 54


Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - shinsengumi - 12-30-2017

(12-30-2017, 08:03 AM)troyc link Wrote:*  the Card have always been in the Pac-12's top three in scoring defense. (1st in '14, 3rd in '15, 2nd the last two years)

*  no Pac-12 team forced more turnovers this year than Stanford. All the more amazing considering that two years ago, the Cardinal were 11th (out of 12) in that category.

1. Stanford's total yardage stats are often helped by the slow pace of play that we employ
2. I think BC mentioned in a separate post that we generated more turnovers than leading stats may indicate (luck?) - not entirely sure that this is something that's going to be repeatable longer term

I will say that this year's D regression is cause for concern and introspection. Next year should reveal more.

Here are some advanced rankings of our D (FEI and S&P) under our last 3 coordinators. Fangio's one year D ranking = 6; Mason's average ranking = 12; Anderson's average ranking = 30

Year DC DFEI Rk DSP Rk
2010 Fangio 6 6
2011 Mason 13 22
2012 Mason 10 11
2013 Mason 11 9
2014 Anderson 6 4
2015 Anderson 45 43
2016 Anderson 11 18
2017 Anderson 62 54


Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - lex24 - 12-30-2017

Also have people forgotten how much better Stanford played defensively in the second half in many games this year?  He was being praised for his adjustments. My goodness it is amazing how coach centric people are. When they lose. He had half a defense vs TCU. No Holder. No Alfieri. No Cotton. I think Robinson went down. Then he loses Reid. Coaching is aligned with talent. It’s amazing how much “better” coaches are when they have superior talent to work with.

(12-30-2017, 08:03 AM)troyc link Wrote:[quote author=Big Brother link=topic=18450.msg219808#msg219808 date=1514641594]
2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

I don't know about Lance Armstrong's qualifications as a DC. But with Lance Anderson as Stanford's defensive coordinator:

*  the Card have always been in the Pac-12's top three in scoring defense. (1st in '14, 3rd in '15, 2nd the last two years)

*  no Pac-12 team forced more turnovers this year than Stanford. All the more amazing considering that two years ago, the Cardinal were 11th (out of 12) in that category.

*  speaking of the 2015 defense, even though they rarely forced turnovers, they were still 3rd in the Pac-12 in total defense (a stat I don't like using), and 2nd in third-down defense (a much, much more revealing statistic).

*  oh, and that 2015 defense played in the Rose Bowl. And didn't allow any points at all until that game was way out of hand.

*  besides reading box scores and watching football through a spreadsheet, football observers know that Lance is as good as it gets when it comes to making effective in-game adjustments. Ask the UCLA and Washington teams that faced Anderson's defense this year for their thoughts on this.

Seems to me that folks aren't wondering why Lance Anderson hasn't had a good year at Stanford yet not because it's a taboo subject, but because it's not a subject at all. Anderson has had better nights than he had in San Antonio (having a healthy Justin Reid certainly would've helped matters in that second half), but the assertion that he has not been a good defensive coordinator simply is not true, statistically or empirically.

Troy C
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Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - lex24 - 12-30-2017

Also have people forgotten how much better Stanford played defensively in the second half in many games this year?  He was being praised for his adjustments. My goodness it is amazing how coach centric people are. When they lose. He had half a defense vs TCU. No Holder. No Alfieri. No Cotton. I think Robinson went down. Then he loses Reid. Coaching is aligned with talent. It’s amazing how much “better” coaches are when they have superior talent to work with.

(12-30-2017, 08:03 AM)troyc link Wrote:[quote author=Big Brother link=topic=18450.msg219808#msg219808 date=1514641594]
2.) Has Lance Armstrong had a good year as DC yet?  Or is this subject taboo?  I know his recruiting in invaluable, but there's been a notable drop off after Mason and Fangio have left.

I don't know about Lance Armstrong's qualifications as a DC. But with Lance Anderson as Stanford's defensive coordinator:

*  the Card have always been in the Pac-12's top three in scoring defense. (1st in '14, 3rd in '15, 2nd the last two years)

*  no Pac-12 team forced more turnovers this year than Stanford. All the more amazing considering that two years ago, the Cardinal were 11th (out of 12) in that category.

*  speaking of the 2015 defense, even though they rarely forced turnovers, they were still 3rd in the Pac-12 in total defense (a stat I don't like using), and 2nd in third-down defense (a much, much more revealing statistic).

*  oh, and that 2015 defense played in the Rose Bowl. And didn't allow any points at all until that game was way out of hand.

*  besides reading box scores and watching football through a spreadsheet, football observers know that Lance is as good as it gets when it comes to making effective in-game adjustments. Ask the UCLA and Washington teams that faced Anderson's defense this year for their thoughts on this.

Seems to me that folks aren't wondering why Lance Anderson hasn't had a good year at Stanford yet not because it's a taboo subject, but because it's not a subject at all. Anderson has had better nights than he had in San Antonio (having a healthy Justin Reid certainly would've helped matters in that second half), but the assertion that he has not been a good defensive coordinator simply is not true, statistically or empirically.

Troy C
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Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - teejers1 - 12-30-2017

On DOG penalties, Matt Squeri on TOS did an exhaustive review of every Pac 12 team.  The conclusions comport with what your eyes told you:  Stanford ran fewer plays than any other conference team and had more DOG penalties.  [And this analysis did not include the number of timeouts  taken to avoid DOG penalties].  It's a pretty obvious red flag of ineptitude on the O side of the ball . . . isn't it?  [There are few things more inept than not even being able to get a play called and run within the time allotted].


Re: I feel Shaw bungled the final 1/3 of the game - teejers1 - 12-30-2017

On DOG penalties, Matt Squeri on TOS did an exhaustive review of every Pac 12 team.  The conclusions comport with what your eyes told you:  Stanford ran fewer plays than any other conference team and had more DOG penalties.  [And this analysis did not include the number of timeouts  taken to avoid DOG penalties].  It's a pretty obvious red flag of ineptitude on the O side of the ball . . . isn't it?  [There are few things more inept than not even being able to get a play called and run within the time allotted].