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RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 12:41 PM)lex24 Wrote: And Cardcrimson - no thread that even touches upon Stanford football (and even those that don’t) are immune from the Shawbash Cannonball…..
Seems more about Shaw and Reid's leaving than Shawvita's inability to maximize Mills production on the Farm. . . .
Back on topic, perhaps.
RE: lex24 - gailtate - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 12:41 PM)lex24 Wrote:(12-29-2021, 12:20 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-29-2021, 12:09 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-29-2021, 11:40 AM)teejers1 Wrote:I suspect none of us on this board have set down with Reid and asked him to explain himself. It is possible he is leaving solely because he fears Stanford will not have a good year next year. However, it is clear there are many other reasons that have been presented that are at least as plausible if not more so. From my point of view, going to another school to allow you to live with your wife and get another degree is much more attractive than staying at a school where you have spent the last five years that is far from home. This all begs the question about him getting admitted for another degree at Stanford and whether a scholarship is even on offer. It is therefore obvious there are lots of good reasons to go other that what the teams record next year may be.(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
Quote:If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.As McEnroe said, "you can't be serious". In the presence of many plausible reasons that such a move makes eminent sense, doing so is somehow damning (of the Stanford program). That simply makes no sense. That logic says that anybody who leaves for any perfectly good reason with eligibility remaining is "damning". Such an assertion makes no sense IMHO.
I think that everybody would agree that the expectation that the Stanford team will not have a great record next year could certainly discourage some players from returning. However, asserting it is a controlling or substantial factor in the presence of many other definite factors is very dubious.
How about this: will you at least acknowledge that the number of Stanford football players with eligibility remaining leaving Stanford (for whatever reason) has spiked under Shaw? And do you think that spike is also true for kids who played (and I mean got meaningful PT) at Stanford and then opted to play another year at another university?
Yes, it has spiked. Of course, the transfer portal didn’t exist until 2018. So, it’s an irrelevant data point.
And Cardcrimson - no thread that even touches upon Stanford football (and even those that don’t) are immune from the Shawbash Cannonball…..
"The Shawbash Cannonball"! Can you "tm" that one? I sure-as-schidt would! Hey, it's the whistle at the stadium, but these days it doesn't blow as often as before.
RE: Davis Mills - Goose - 12-29-2021
In a probably vain attempt to atone for my contribution to thread drift, I think a relevant question is "Was Mills wise to leave Stanford with eligibility remaining?" IMHO it is "obvious" in hindsight that he was. However, at the time he made the decision I must admit I was skeptical. I felt he had played too few games to create a body of work the NFL would honor. I guess what that shows is that these decisions are complex. Mills may have had advice that he trusted from "people in the know". BL made a different choice, and I think it is fair to say it didn't work out well. In any case, the Davis Mills story is ongoing for our viewing pleasure, thankfully.
RE: Davis Mills - JohnR34231 - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 11:48 AM)Maple Leaf Wrote:(12-29-2021, 11:40 AM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.
And for your wife/Utah, I'll give you a Utah/Rose Bowl.
The fact is that Stanford is no longer a Big Bowl participant and that is dissuading eligible kids from sticking around for another year, even ones with no legit NFL aspirations. As a poster on TOS notes, we have lost our much-needed "old man strength" on the lines. And that is killing us.
Back when Ralston was in this 3 or 4 year there was an article on the Stanford team that Ralston had at that time and one statement that stood out was "Stanford with the exception of Blaine Nye is too small and too slow along both sides of the line of scrimmage". Unfortunately, Stanford now just that. Back when that statement was made being small also implied being not physical/strong.
Yeah, and if they had a decent fullback that would have helped too.
RE: Davis Mills - CowboyIndian - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 02:18 PM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Yeah, and if they had a decent fullback that would have helped too.
Hillary Shockley? Or did I miss the point?
RE: Davis Mills - Maple Leaf - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 02:31 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(12-29-2021, 02:18 PM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Yeah, and if they had a decent fullback that would have helped too.
Hillary Shockley? Or did I miss the point?
My time frame above occurred prior Hillary, Plunkett, Sande and the Thunder Chickens plus Semien, Kadzille, Simone and the dbs.
RE: Davis Mills - Phogge - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 02:31 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote: [quote="JohnR34231" pid='339553' dateline='1640812686']
Yeah, and if they had a decent fullback that would have helped too.
Hillary Shockley? Or did I miss the point?
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Well that Jack Root character was a pretty good FB.
RE: Davis Mills - teejers1 - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 02:31 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(12-29-2021, 02:18 PM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Yeah, and if they had a decent fullback that would have helped too.
Hillary Shockley? Or did I miss the point?
Does mentioning Hillary Shockley on a Stanford fan board ever miss the point?
Ensconced on the Mount Rushmore of Names of Stanford Athletes. (There must be others, but none come immediately to mind. I like Thunder Keck, but you'd like all residents of MR to have walked the walk.).
RE: Davis Mills - Phogge - 12-29-2021
Carl Schrader should be on the Mount. Nickname was Quasimodo.
(12-29-2021, 12:20 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-29-2021, 12:09 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-29-2021, 11:40 AM)teejers1 Wrote:I suspect none of us on this board have set down with Reid and asked him to explain himself. It is possible he is leaving solely because he fears Stanford will not have a good year next year. However, it is clear there are many other reasons that have been presented that are at least as plausible if not more so. From my point of view, going to another school to allow you to live with your wife and get another degree is much more attractive than staying at a school where you have spent the last five years that is far from home. This all begs the question about him getting admitted for another degree at Stanford and whether a scholarship is even on offer. It is therefore obvious there are lots of good reasons to go other that what the teams record next year may be.(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
Quote:If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.As McEnroe said, "you can't be serious". In the presence of many plausible reasons that such a move makes eminent sense, doing so is somehow damning (of the Stanford program). That simply makes no sense. That logic says that anybody who leaves for any perfectly good reason with eligibility remaining is "damning". Such an assertion makes no sense IMHO.
I think that everybody would agree that the expectation that the Stanford team will not have a great record next year could certainly discourage some players from returning. However, asserting it is a controlling or substantial factor in the presence of many other definite factors is very dubious.
How about this: will you at least acknowledge that the number of Stanford football players with eligibility remaining leaving Stanford (for whatever reason) has spiked under Shaw? And do you think that spike is also true for kids who played (and I mean got meaningful PT) at Stanford and then opted to play another year at another university?
Teejers, if I was talking out of my rear you could hear it up and down the West Coast. I'm sticking to "his wife's in Salt lake" line because it's the most plausible of all the theories. Of course I really like my wife.
RE: Davis Mills - teejers1 - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 06:00 PM)Phogge Wrote: Carl Schrader should be on the Mount. Nickname was Quasimodo.
Roger Stillwell (RIP) . . . always thought that was a cool one (but maybe not as cool as the Buckeye with the last name Stillwagon . . . Jim(?)).
Add: just Googled. RIP, Jim, and an sorry to learn about this. Yikes!
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/lawyers-city-of-delaware-to-pay-6-5-million-to-settle-jim-stillwagon-false-arrest-claim/
RE: Davis Mills - Leftcoast - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 12:26 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: I'm perplexed. I thought this thread was about Davis Mills. . . .
It's the new CardBoard rule - After the first 10 posts EVERY thread is a referendum on Shaw and therefore repetitive, boring, and borderline unreadable. The only solution is to ignore every longer thread, a rule I sadly forgot this afternoon.
(Maybe not quite that bad but close and I'm feeling grumpy after working this week. Logistics and holiday shipping issues, ugh.)
RE: Davis Mills - 82lsju - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 06:00 PM)Phogge Wrote: Carl Schrader should be on the Mount. Nickname was Quasimodo.
(12-29-2021, 12:20 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-29-2021, 12:09 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-29-2021, 11:40 AM)teejers1 Wrote:I suspect none of us on this board have set down with Reid and asked him to explain himself. It is possible he is leaving solely because he fears Stanford will not have a good year next year. However, it is clear there are many other reasons that have been presented that are at least as plausible if not more so. From my point of view, going to another school to allow you to live with your wife and get another degree is much more attractive than staying at a school where you have spent the last five years that is far from home. This all begs the question about him getting admitted for another degree at Stanford and whether a scholarship is even on offer. It is therefore obvious there are lots of good reasons to go other that what the teams record next year may be.(12-28-2021, 06:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Wife's in Salt Lake. LDS take family very seriously. Stanford could be 12-0 and he would be there. Got to be at least 25 years old. Good luck to him.
You and Goose are talking out you-know-where in being so conclusive re: what motivates Reid.
Quote:If Reid plays football at some other college that is pretty damning.As McEnroe said, "you can't be serious". In the presence of many plausible reasons that such a move makes eminent sense, doing so is somehow damning (of the Stanford program). That simply makes no sense. That logic says that anybody who leaves for any perfectly good reason with eligibility remaining is "damning". Such an assertion makes no sense IMHO.
I think that everybody would agree that the expectation that the Stanford team will not have a great record next year could certainly discourage some players from returning. However, asserting it is a controlling or substantial factor in the presence of many other definite factors is very dubious.
How about this: will you at least acknowledge that the number of Stanford football players with eligibility remaining leaving Stanford (for whatever reason) has spiked under Shaw? And do you think that spike is also true for kids who played (and I mean got meaningful PT) at Stanford and then opted to play another year at another university?
Teejers, if I was talking out of my rear you could hear it up and down the West Coast. I'm sticking to "his wife's in Salt lake" line because it's the most plausible of all the theories. Of course I really like my wife.
and Reid can also play football with his younger brother, Karene Reid, which might be a contributing factor to his decision...
Quote:Son of Spencer and Marrieta … has two brothers and one sister … father played football at BYU from 1994-97, signing with the Carolina Panthers out of college for two seasons, also playing one season with Indianapolis before sustaining a career-ending back injury … brother, Gabe, plays linebacker at Stanford … married to Addison Reid … major is undecided.
https://utahutes.com/sports/football/roster/karene-reid/12739
RE: Davis Mills - old spanish trail - 12-29-2021
I'm perplexed. How can anyone think that the transfer of a 20 something player whose wife is in Utah means the portal is spiking. Nobody else, except Jovan Swann, in the last couple years would have played much. He transferred to play in a Bowl? No, he transferred to be back with family, especially is wife. I think that's the more probable motivation.
RE: Davis Mills - SamuelMcF - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 07:41 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: I'm perplexed. How can anyone think that the transfer of a 20 something player whose wife is in Utah means the portal is spiking. Nobody else, except Jovan Swann, in the last couple years would have played much. He transferred to play in a Bowl? No, he transferred to be back with family, especially is wife. I think that's the more probable motivation.
Casey Tucker
Mike Williams
Devery Hamilton
Henry Hattis
Obi Eboh (more marginal than the others)
RE: Davis Mills - CowboyIndian - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 02:46 PM)Phogge Wrote: Well that Jack Root character was a pretty good FB.
Oh, I agree. With several hundred of my freshman counterparts we rocked the Old Lady with chants of “Root! Root! Root!…ad infinitum.
RE: Davis Mills - old spanish trail - 12-29-2021
(12-29-2021, 09:05 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(12-29-2021, 07:41 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: I'm perplexed. How can anyone think that the transfer of a 20 something player whose wife is in Utah means the portal is spiking. Nobody else, except Jovan Swann, in the last couple years would have played much. He transferred to play in a Bowl? No, he transferred to be back with family, especially is wife. I think that's the more probable motivation.
Fair enuf. I was thinking of Eboh...didn't go back further. Tucker wanted to play tackle as I recall, Henry couldn't crack the first string but we could have used both of them as it turns out. Where did Devery and Willliams go?
Casey Tucker
Mike Williams
Devery Hamilton
Henry Hattis
Obi Eboh (more marginal than the others)
RE: Davis Mills - GK3 - 12-30-2021
(12-28-2021, 02:51 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-28-2021, 12:46 PM)teejers1 Wrote:I agree it is a problem, but a small one compared to the other problems we have. Given the sharp and recent memories of several guys who elected to play another year (at Stanford and elsewhere), got hurt, and lost their NFL career opportunity, athletes that have any kind of an acceptable NFL draft expectation are going to leave. This is also the advice they are getting from their peers and gurus. Andrew Luck types are totally the exception in the "new" college football. In Bucks We Trust. This is especially true of players who had a good year, got their degree, and have generated some draft "buzz". If a player doesn't have a degree yet, believes he can make a better showing next year, and has no current draft prospects, returning can make sense. In those cases, how good he expects the team to be may matter. However, these are usually more marginal players. Guys like Mills make a big enough splash that risking another year in college makes no sense. I didn't think he would get drafted. Too small a sample size, injury history. In today's world, that meant little.(12-27-2021, 09:20 PM)Goose Wrote: IMHO he left early realizing where he could make money. Also with his injury history any injury in another year of college ball, even if minor, would create questions. Why risk it?
What your rhetorical question omits is this: " . . . when there is no prospect of being on a good team - let alone a really good one - at Stanford the next season?" That is another big problem with the decline of the program under Shaw - players with eligibility are bolting and not sticking around for another good/great run.
Exactly! Mills was and is one big hit away from no NFL career. He did the smart thing and grabbed the money and ran. Bryce Love is the poster boy for coming and playing one too many years. If you have NFL talent you are rolling the dice every time you suit up for a college game.
RE: Davis Mills - DC 86 - 12-30-2021
(12-30-2021, 07:03 AM)GK3 Wrote: Mills was and is one big hit away from no NFL career. He did the smart thing and grabbed the money and ran.
Given his history of multiple serious knee injuries dating back to high school it wouldn't even require a big hit to end his NFL dreams, one bad step could have rendered him undraftable. Even though he could have enhanced his draft prospects (especially considering how weak the QB class this year is relative to last year) he couldn't afford the risk of career ending injury given his knee issues.
RE: Davis Mills - 82lsju - 12-30-2021
(12-29-2021, 10:23 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(12-29-2021, 09:05 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(12-29-2021, 07:41 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: I'm perplexed. How can anyone think that the transfer of a 20 something player whose wife is in Utah means the portal is spiking. Nobody else, except Jovan Swann, in the last couple years would have played much. He transferred to play in a Bowl? No, he transferred to be back with family, especially is wife. I think that's the more probable motivation.
Fair enuf. I was thinking of Eboh...didn't go back further. Tucker wanted to play tackle as I recall, Henry couldn't crack the first string but we could have used both of them as it turns out. Where did Devery and Willliams go?
Casey Tucker
Mike Williams
Devery Hamilton
Henry Hattis
Obi Eboh (more marginal than the others)
Williams to SMU
https://smumustangs.com/sports/football/roster/mike-williams/12373
where he appears to have been a starter
Hamilton to Duke
where he appears to have been a starter
https://goduke.com/sports/football/roster/devery-hamilton/16302
RE: Davis Mills - qwerty49 - 12-30-2021
(12-29-2021, 09:44 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(12-29-2021, 02:46 PM)Phogge Wrote: Well that Jack Root character was a pretty good FB.
Oh, I agree. With several hundred of my freshman counterparts we rocked the Old Lady with chants of “Root! Root! Root!…ad infinitum.
LOL, inside joke, CI. I only remember Jack Root coming up short once on 3rd and 1. Ralston gave him the ball again, no problem. Pound for pound, easily the best short yardage back we've had IMHO.