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RE: WBB transfer portal - BostonCard - 04-12-2022
Are we talking about the University of Indiana (Hoosiers) college team or the Indiana Fever WNBA team? I assume the latter, as it relates to Lexie Hull’s drafting.
BC
RE: WBB transfer portal - teejers1 - 04-12-2022
(04-12-2022, 12:27 AM)PVTree Wrote:(04-11-2022, 06:39 PM)PalmTree Wrote:(04-11-2022, 06:11 PM)BobK Wrote: Brown was at the banquet. No blow up
My <TOTALLY> uninformed guess.
JB on track to graduate with a degree in Poli Sci
JB applies to PS (or related) grad programs including Stanford, which is a small dept and by inference, which has a VERY limited # of slots for Masters students
JB learns she is not accepted to Stanford, but does get in to 1+ somewhat attractive grad program(s) somewhere else
JB enters the portal
and now she's moving on....that's it
Just wondering if a student who is graduating has to enter the portal to be eligible to play at another school.
Could Brown have graduated, gotten rejected for Stanford masters while being accepted at not-Stanford U, not declared for the portal, gone to university that accepted her, and played for that school with her year of eligibility left?
Is there a benefit to the portal at this point?
Good question, PV.
I think MT supplied the most sensible answer.
P.S. I have same question with grad transfers who have eligibility remaining for football and basketball: why not stick around as a Stanford undergrad a bit longer and play your final season? Anna Wilson was here 6 years. Was she in a grad program her fifth year? (I assume yes by year 6). How many years has Jenna been on The Farm?
RE: WBB transfer portal - 2006alum - 04-12-2022
Coaches can't make contact with a student-athlete until they enter the portal. So there'd be no way for Brown to ascertain any availability on another team's roster until she's in the portal. Assuming she wants to play basketball, there'd be no point in her accepting a master's program at another university first without confirming the coach would want her on the team and have a spot and scholly for her. And I doubt she's looking to grad transfer for a master's she has to pay full pop for.
RE: WBB transfer portal - Goose - 04-12-2022
(04-12-2022, 10:06 AM)teejers1 Wrote: P.S. I have same question with grad transfers who have eligibility remaining for football and basketball: why not stick around as a Stanford undergrad a bit longer and play your final season? Anna Wilson was here 6 years. Was she in a grad program her fifth year? (I assume yes by year 6). How many years has Jenna been on The Farm?I suspect that the "answer" is obvious. While it may be fun to stick around an "extra" year, it will not be productive in terms of getting an advanced degree paid for by the sport. To most people, I suspect that is a key point. If you think staying at Stanford an extra year will get you drafted higher or if their is some business opportunity that it may offer, that could make sense. I suspect those cases are rare. Most Stanford people in their early 20's have goals. Staying an extra year just doesn't further those goals in most cases.
RE: WBB transfer portal - teejers1 - 04-12-2022
(04-12-2022, 10:43 AM)Goose Wrote:(04-12-2022, 10:06 AM)teejers1 Wrote: P.S. I have same question with grad transfers who have eligibility remaining for football and basketball: why not stick around as a Stanford undergrad a bit longer and play your final season? Anna Wilson was here 6 years. Was she in a grad program her fifth year? (I assume yes by year 6). How many years has Jenna been on The Farm?I suspect that the "answer" is obvious. While it may be fun to stick around an "extra" year, it will not be productive in terms of getting an advanced degree paid for by the sport. To most people, I suspect that is a key point. If you think staying at Stanford an extra year will get you drafted higher or if their is some business opportunity that it may offer, that could make sense. I suspect those cases are rare. Most Stanford people in their early 20's have goals. Staying an extra year just doesn't further those goals in most cases.
I think you are assuming the "advanced degree" is the horse, while playing another year of college ball for free at Stanford is the cart.
I believe that is an incorrect assumption.
In other words, if fifth-year-eligible player X on the Stanford roster were given a choice of either (a) "play a fifth year at Stanford as an undergrad," OR (b) "you have to get out in four years, graduate, and play your fifth year at a school where you're working on a graduate degree, which may be Stanford . . . if you can get into the grad program on your own," I suspect the majority of players would take (a). Perhaps the overwhelming majority.
I don't know that, but that's my assumption. Do you really think kids are applying to grad programs because they're "done" with Stanford and then moving to get that year paid for by the hoops coach at said grad school? It strikes me as more likely that players would prefer to play final year of eligibility at Stanford, even if that meant foregoing one year of free grad program at another school. But again, I suppose that could be wrong.
RE: WBB transfer portal - 2006alum - 04-12-2022
I believe it was determined when this was discussed re: Anna Wilson's fifth year that you can't just indefinitely extend your undergraduate degree, even if you have an athletic scholarship. IIRC, per Registrar's rules, unless you have some curricular need for an extra quarter and a good reason why you couldn't complete it in 12 quarters, you have to graduate in four years and cannot be considered an undergraduate for a full fifth year. (I think, IIRC from my time at Stanford, you could fairly easily get a 13th quarter, but that was it.)
So you either need to co-Term to stay dual enrolled as an undergraduate and graduate student, or find a standalone graduate degree. Wilson ultimately did the latter, getting a two-year Masters in Art Practice. You can find this from her bio. You can find that Jenna Brown is a senior in her fourth year at Stanford from her bio. These are easy facts to find.
Again, rather than purely speculate, grounding this discussion in some facts seems prudent.
RE: WBB transfer portal - teejers1 - 04-12-2022
(04-12-2022, 12:24 PM)2006alum Wrote: I believe it was determined when this was discussed re: Anna Wilson's fifth year that you can't just indefinitely extend your undergraduate degree, even if you have an athletic scholarship. IIRC, per Registrar's rules, unless you have some curricular need for an extra quarter and a good reason why you couldn't complete it in 12 quarters, you have to graduate in four years. (I think, IIRC from my time at Stanford, you could fairly easily get a 13th quarter, but that was it.)
So you either need to co-Term to stay dual enrolled as an undergraduate and graduate student, or find a standalone graduate degree. Wilson ultimately did the latter, getting a two-year Masters in Art Practice.
Again, rather than purely speculate, grounding this discussion in some facts seems prudent.
The rules may well have changed, but back in my day, I knew kids who were at Stanford for 6 years as undergrads. As long as you were progressing toward a degree, you could stay enrolled at Stanford. And don't you get 5 years to play 4 in every sport? Seems odd that Stanford would have internal rules to frustrate that general NCAA rule. Also seems odd that one who has a season-ending injury sophomore year would be required by Stanford to leave before eligibility used up.
Separately, and more generally, the real problem with the transfer portal is that it will be used as mechanism for elite programs to shop for proven, elite players. In other words, they will use fellow schools/programs as training/proving grounds for their teams. I just saw where a starting OL from Vandy, with 2 years of eligibility remaining, is transferring to Alabama. I could see that happening at Stanford, too, with the few great/proven players deciding they want to play where college football is "Big Time." With absolutely ZERO repercussions for bolting, this is going to add to the stratification of college sports.
RE: WBB transfer portal - DaBears17 - 04-12-2022
I know the Dad of a student athlete who did undergrad elsewhere, who got into Stanford grad school on their own merits. They contacted the coach of their sport about being a grad assistant coach. Coach told them to enter their name in the transfer portal, then they would talk. They played last year and got a fair amount of playing time.
(04-12-2022, 10:11 AM)2006alum Wrote: Coaches can't make contact with a student-athlete until they enter the portal. So there'd be no way for Brown to ascertain any availability on another team's roster until she's in the portal. Assuming she wants to play basketball, there'd be no point in her accepting a master's program at another university first without confirming the coach would want her on the team and have a spot and scholly for her. And I doubt she's looking to grad transfer for a master's she has to pay full pop for.
RE: WBB transfer portal - Goose - 04-12-2022
(04-12-2022, 12:33 PM)teejers1 Wrote: I just saw where a starting OL from Vandy, with 2 years of eligibility remaining, is transferring to Alabama. I could see that happening at Stanford, too, with the few great/proven players deciding they want to play where college football is "Big Time."While I agree that the transfer portal probably hurts Stanford much more that it helps Stanford, I see this particular "issue" as so far down on the list that it is hardly worth considering. Nobody is going to do all the work necessary to get into Stanford with the expectation of using it as a "stepping stone" to Alabama (or equivalent) football. It is easier to go elsewhere to accomplish that. There may be a few athletes that surprise themselves and go from "middle of the road" to elite at Stanford. However, in most cases when that happens they are better off staying where they are. They have already "made the jump" to elite. Why risk going elsewhere and not playing at all? I think this type of transfer from Stanford will be very, very, rare.
RE: WBB transfer portal - teejers1 - 04-12-2022
(04-12-2022, 01:54 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-12-2022, 12:33 PM)teejers1 Wrote: I just saw where a starting OL from Vandy, with 2 years of eligibility remaining, is transferring to Alabama. I could see that happening at Stanford, too, with the few great/proven players deciding they want to play where college football is "Big Time."While I agree that the transfer portal probably hurts Stanford much more that it helps Stanford, I see this particular "issue" as so far down on the list that it is hardly worth considering. Nobody is going to do all the work necessary to get into Stanford with the expectation of using it as a "stepping stone" to Alabama (or equivalent) football. It is easier to go elsewhere to accomplish that. There may be a few athletes that surprise themselves and go from "middle of the road" to elite at Stanford. However, in most cases when that happens they are better off staying where they are. They have already "made the jump" to elite. Why risk going elsewhere and not playing at all? I think this type of transfer from Stanford will be very, very, rare.
I know SC isn't Alabama (but they could get there under Riley). Still, Jones bolting for there is unsettling.
And while I agree that HS kids doing all the work to get into Stanford have "bigger picture" perspective, generally, I think you underestimate the effect of hundreds of fans in the stands when the home team comes out at the Farm versus the maniacal fan bases at many other places. Kids could come to Stanford, experience for a couple years, and say "You know, I'd like to experience Big Time College Sports." It's arguable that's what Jones did (and Reid, and others). But I was speaking more generally in terms of the danger of the portal on stratification front. Hell, in my mind Stanford is practically a "have not" already; thus, the further stratification via portal will only have minimal impact in terms of "which side of the line" Stanford is on.
RE: WBB transfer portal - Goose - 04-12-2022
(04-12-2022, 05:33 PM)teejers1 Wrote:It may be arguable, but I think a much better argument can be made that what Jones did was to transfer because he wasn't going to play, kind of the opposite case from Tyler Steen of Vandy. Heck, Jones was originally going to Oregon State, which I don't think of as "Big Time College Sports". Probably not a good example of going to the "Big Time". Unfortunately for him, it looks like Jones will be at best a role player at USC.(04-12-2022, 01:54 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-12-2022, 12:33 PM)teejers1 Wrote: I just saw where a starting OL from Vandy, with 2 years of eligibility remaining, is transferring to Alabama. I could see that happening at Stanford, too, with the few great/proven players deciding they want to play where college football is "Big Time."While I agree that the transfer portal probably hurts Stanford much more that it helps Stanford, I see this particular "issue" as so far down on the list that it is hardly worth considering. Nobody is going to do all the work necessary to get into Stanford with the expectation of using it as a "stepping stone" to Alabama (or equivalent) football. It is easier to go elsewhere to accomplish that. There may be a few athletes that surprise themselves and go from "middle of the road" to elite at Stanford. However, in most cases when that happens they are better off staying where they are. They have already "made the jump" to elite. Why risk going elsewhere and not playing at all? I think this type of transfer from Stanford will be very, very, rare.
I know SC isn't Alabama (but they could get there under Riley). Still, Jones bolting for there is unsettling.
And while I agree that HS kids doing all the work to get into Stanford have "bigger picture" perspective, generally, I think you underestimate the effect of hundreds of fans in the stands when the home team comes out at the Farm versus the maniacal fan bases at many other places. Kids could come to Stanford, experience for a couple years, and say "You know, I'd like to experience Big Time College Sports." It's arguable that's what Jones did (and Reid, and others).
Quote:But I was speaking more generally in terms of the danger of the portal on stratification front. Hell, in my mind Stanford is practically a "have not" already; thus, the further stratification via portal will only have minimal impact in terms of "which side of the line" Stanford is on.Not sure I agree on the "have not" front. Stanford's problems talent-wise seem to be uneven, with talent in some positions and no talent in others. That is a different dead horse. However, I do think the transfer portal is obviously a net negative for Stanford because it only flows one way. Whatever the talents of those leaving, big or small, we can't replace them through the portal. Simple as that.
RE: WBB transfer portal - BostonCard - 04-12-2022
One can still stay at Stanford without having to graduate within four years. However, you have to petition for it and provide an “academic plan”…
Quote: 1) Provide your academic plan, in detail, in the worksheet below. For each quarter, list your anticipated courses, including course number, units, and reason for each course, e.g., major, General Education Requirement (GER), etc.
Basically, if you take longer than four years to graduate, the school wants to make sure you are on track.
However, the graduate transfer route (and to a lesser extent the transfer portal) have changed the value proposition. It used to be that if you were a redshirt junior, choices were to take a light academic year (or, for football, as little as one extra quarter) and graduate in 4+ years after playing your redshirt senior year or leave and start the rest of your life. Transferring for graduate school wasn’t a thing, because players had to sit out a year and their five year clock would expire. Now, the alternative is to graduate from Stanford with a degree, get into grad school somewhere else, and play somewhere else. At worst, you get a chance to start at a lower ranked school (if you were a marginal contributor), or play big time football (if you were a major contributor), without giving up a Stanford degree, and with the upshot of graduating with a masters.
BC
RE: WBB transfer portal - Goose - 04-12-2022
(04-12-2022, 07:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote: However, the graduate transfer route (and to a lesser extent the transfer portal) have changed the value proposition. It used to be that if you were a redshirt junior, choices were to take a light academic year (or, for football, as little as one extra quarter) and graduate in 4+ years after playing your redshirt senior year or leave and start the rest of your life. Transferring for graduate school wasn’t a thing, because players had to sit out a year and their five year clock would expire. Now, the alternative is to graduate from Stanford with a degree, get into grad school somewhere else, and play somewhere else. At worst, you get a chance to start at a lower ranked school (if you were a marginal contributor), or play big time football (if you were a major contributor), without giving up a Stanford degree, and with the upshot of graduating with a masters.Absolutely gets to the heart of the matter. Just one quibble. There are also players who were complete "steak eaters" who didn't play much, if any (less than "marginal" contributors). Those guys can take advantage of this too, even if they end up at a much lower ranked school and STILL don't start. Free education. They just have to find somebody who wants them.
BC
RE: WBB transfer portal - mbdude - 04-13-2022
2 more Arizona players in portal!
Semaj Smith, 6-6 SR center, Long Beach, CA (played in just 9 games in 2021-22)
—Bendu Yeaney, 5-10 SR wing, Portland, OR (started every game in 2021-22: 6.3 PPG, 2.7 RPG; began college career at Indiana)
RE: WBB transfer portal - SamuelMcF - 04-13-2022
(04-12-2022, 08:53 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-12-2022, 07:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote: However, the graduate transfer route (and to a lesser extent the transfer portal) have changed the value proposition. It used to be that if you were a redshirt junior, choices were to take a light academic year (or, for football, as little as one extra quarter) and graduate in 4+ years after playing your redshirt senior year or leave and start the rest of your life. Transferring for graduate school wasn’t a thing, because players had to sit out a year and their five year clock would expire. Now, the alternative is to graduate from Stanford with a degree, get into grad school somewhere else, and play somewhere else. At worst, you get a chance to start at a lower ranked school (if you were a marginal contributor), or play big time football (if you were a major contributor), without giving up a Stanford degree, and with the upshot of graduating with a masters.Absolutely gets to the heart of the matter. Just one quibble. There are also players who were complete "steak eaters" who didn't play much, if any (less than "marginal" contributors). Those guys can take advantage of this too, even if they end up at a much lower ranked school and STILL don't start. Free education. They just have to find somebody who wants them.
BC
This happens often, and I have no idea why G5 schools still bite on those "steak eaters." It's one thing if players are "marginal" P5 guys (i.e. have a little bit of tape, played sparingly, etc.) but another if they literally never saw the field at all. We've seen recent examples of that from outbound Stanford guys for sure.
RE: WBB transfer portal - Hurlburt88 - 04-13-2022
yesterday's news . . . but I am not seeing it posted here yet
https://stanford.n.rivals.com/news/jana-van-gytenbeek-enters-the-transfer-portal
RE: WBB transfer portal - WBB fan - 04-13-2022
(04-13-2022, 02:38 PM)Hurlburt88 Wrote: yesterday's news . . . but I am not seeing it posted here yet
https://stanford.n.rivals.com/news/jana-van-gytenbeek-enters-the-transfer-portal
It's being discussed in the WBB: Looking Ahead to 2022-23 thread -- lots of comments there
RE: WBB transfer portal - BostonCard - 04-13-2022
(04-12-2022, 08:53 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-12-2022, 07:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote: However, the graduate transfer route (and to a lesser extent the transfer portal) have changed the value proposition. It used to be that if you were a redshirt junior, choices were to take a light academic year (or, for football, as little as one extra quarter) and graduate in 4+ years after playing your redshirt senior year or leave and start the rest of your life. Transferring for graduate school wasn’t a thing, because players had to sit out a year and their five year clock would expire. Now, the alternative is to graduate from Stanford with a degree, get into grad school somewhere else, and play somewhere else. At worst, you get a chance to start at a lower ranked school (if you were a marginal contributor), or play big time football (if you were a major contributor), without giving up a Stanford degree, and with the upshot of graduating with a masters.Absolutely gets to the heart of the matter. Just one quibble. There are also players who were complete "steak eaters" who didn't play much, if any (less than "marginal" contributors). Those guys can take advantage of this too, even if they end up at a much lower ranked school and STILL don't start. Free education. They just have to find somebody who wants them.
BC
The thing is that those guys were never going to be invited back for fifth years, so it is an upside for the players (free graduate degree, chance to maybe play) without any downside for Stanford.
BC
RE: WBB transfer portal - kat0189 - 04-14-2022
Intrigued by grad xfer DePaul's Morris in the portal. Seems like a 2guard but 17.6 ppg, 3.2 apg, solid %'s.
https://depaulbluedemons.com/news/2022/3/31/womens-basketball-sonya-morris-selected-to-senior-class-all-american-team.aspx
Was one of 10 finalists for the Senior CLASS Award ultimately won by Lexie Hull. GPA listed as 3.48.
RE: WBB transfer portal - martyup - 04-14-2022
(04-14-2022, 06:38 AM)kat0189 Wrote: Intrigued by grad xfer DePaul's Morris in the portal. Seems like a 2guard but 17.6 ppg, 3.2 apg, solid %'s.
https://depaulbluedemons.com/news/2022/3/31/womens-basketball-sonya-morris-selected-to-senior-class-all-american-team.aspx
Was one of 10 finalists for the Senior CLASS Award ultimately won by Lexie Hull. GPA listed as 3.48.
Quote:The explosive scorer with a velvet-soft shooting touch averaged 17.6 points per game overall and 19.1 points a game in BIG EAST Conference play.
She was recognized as one of the five best shooting guards in the country by the Ann Meyers Drysdale Shooting Guard of the Year Award national committee.
Morris has DePaul's second and third-highest scoring games this season with 36 points against Vanderbilt at the Paradise Jam (U.S. Virgin Islands) and 35 at St. John's.
The sharpshooter from St. Louis scored in double figures 29 of DePaul's 33 games including 17 of the last 19. The 5-foot, 10-inch guard with a game-changing scoring touch is a big reason why the Blue Demons lead the nation in scoring at 87.3 points per game.
Morris scored 20 or more points 11 times this season.