WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60

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RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - 81alum - 02-09-2023

24 assists on 35 made baskets. Wow.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - chimera - 02-09-2023

That was so so so much better in every respect. Better energy, much better passing, just really worked the offense well. Rebounding back to being dominant. I liked that Iriafen started. Brink and Jones were great. This is the sort of performance from Jones that makes using her as the point guard for a portion of the game look like a good thing. Tara still played the bench a lot, which generally I like because it keeps everyone's legs fresh, and they all responded. Loved all the high low passes and the posts sharing the ball so well.

Betts was fantastic. She looks much improved, like she now has the confidence and knowledge about what she should be doing to relax and just play. Her passing was excellent. Nivar had a great game. Her steals and aggressive defense were a big lift and unlike earlier this season, she is not fouling when she gets aggressive. Demetre played well. Belibi with her two blocks. Prechtel came in late and made a case to play more in just a minute. Lepolo played well. She got two great steals, just sneaking into the passing lane and basically got UA to pass her the ball. Jump played well and got some rest, which I really like. I'm probably leaving someone out, but overall, this was the sort of effort we should expect from a team with this much talent. I know they can't always play perfectly. This sort of effort will win almost any game.

If the UW loss makes this sort of play happen for the rest of the year, it was worth it. Also great that this game was on ESPN where everyone could see it. The team made a great impression. Now, no let up vs ASU!!!

Gotta say it again, Betts was fantastic! If she can play like that going forward, it will add a ton on O and D.

Hieronymus - Hieronymus - 02-09-2023

(02-09-2023, 09:42 PM)chimera Wrote: That was so so so much better in every respect. Better energy, much better passing, just really worked the offense well. Rebounding back to being dominant. I liked that Iriafen started. Brink and Jones were great. This is the sort of performance from Jones that makes using her as the point guard for a portion of the game look like a good thing. Tara still played the bench a lot, which generally I like because it keeps everyone's legs fresh, and they all responded. Loved all the high low passes and the posts sharing the ball so well.

Betts was fantastic. She looks much improved, like she now has the confidence and knowledge about what she should be doing to relax and just play. Her passing was excellent. Nivar had a great game. Her steals and aggressive defense were a big lift and unlike earlier this season, she is not fouling when she gets aggressive. Demetre played well. Belibi with her two blocks. Prechtel came in late and made a case to play more in just a minute. Lepolo played well. She got two great steals, just sneaking into the passing lane and basically got UA to pass her the ball. Jump played well and got some rest, which I really like. I'm probably leaving someone out, but overall, this was the sort of effort we should expect from a team with this much talent. I know they can't always play perfectly. This sort of effort will win almost any game.

If the UW loss makes this sort of play happen for the rest of the year, it was worth it. Also great that this game was on ESPN where everyone could see it. The team made a great impression. Now, no let up vs ASU!!!

Gotta say it again, Betts was fantastic! If she can play like that going forward, it will add a ton on O and D.

Using Jones as a 3 just makes so much more sense on this team. It puts a much better player on the court at 4 or 5, instead of a young’in guard who won’t have much impact.

RE: WBB: Stanford @ Arizona Thursday 6:30 ESPN - martyup - 02-09-2023

(02-09-2023, 09:33 PM)crackpot Wrote: Unlike marty, I'm jealous of Adia's jacket.

You know what, she can wear that jacket every time we play them. :)

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - M T - 02-09-2023

Did I miss it?

Am I the first to comment that #6 Stanford was put in the #3 seed overall in the NCAA top-16 reveal?

The NCAA committee clearly made a statement that SOS matters. Frankly, the listing looked like they locked in their votes a week ago.

The bad, though, was that Stanford was the only PAC-12 team listed. Is this because the PAC-12 teams are beating up on each other.
I'd think maybe 3 PAC-12 teams might make the sweet sixteen.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - martyup - 02-09-2023

That effort and outcome should shut down the whinging.

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RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - TheWildJacko - 02-09-2023

(02-09-2023, 10:02 PM)M T Wrote: Did I miss it?

Am I the first to comment that #6 Stanford was put in the #3 seed overall in the NCAA top-16 reveal?

The NCAA committee clearly made a statement that SOS matters. Frankly, the listing looked like they locked in their votes a week ago.

The bad, though, was that Stanford was the only PAC-12 team listed. Is this because the PAC-12 teams are beating up on each other.
I'd think maybe 3 PAC-12 teams might make the sweet sixteen.

Utah was in there as a #2 in Indiana’s regional. But I was surprised that it was only them and Stanford.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - Card10Fan - 02-09-2023

Wow that was such a fun game to watch in person! Our team didn’t seem fazed at all by the crowd. Great game plan by coaches and execution by team. Everyone played well led by Haley and Cam. If they plan this way the rest of the season, we are absolutely a final 4 team. Who can defend Cam with the ball at the elbow with Lauren Betts sealing for a lob in the paint. No team can handle those two, it’s a total mismatch in our favor. Tara seemed pretty fired up all game. I felt like she was on the refs a lot and got up several times to discuss with them.

This was my first time to Tucson. I’d put McKale and the city in the bottom tier of favorite Pac12 road cities and venues to visit. Obviously the fan support is great but I didn’t think the arena itself was that great. Overall glad to be here and happy our team performed and showed out on ESPN.

Former Stanford players Erica McCall and JJ Hones were in attendance and sat in the Stanford fan section. Always nice to see former players back supporting their alma mater.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - TheWildJacko - 02-09-2023

Interesting quote from Tara in the Mercury News:

Quote:“We wanted to be aggressive, we wanted to play fast, that’s how we want to play,” Stanford coach Tara VanDerVeer said. “I think we can even do better. And I think I’ve been holding us back, honestly, I really do.”

So she’s definitely taking some responsibility for our recent struggles.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - 2006alum - 02-09-2023

(02-09-2023, 10:04 PM)martyup Wrote: That effort and outcome should shut down the whinging.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - BostonCard - 02-10-2023

I don’t know, I’m guessing there is plenty of whinging on the Wildcat boards.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - treetop11 - 02-10-2023

(02-09-2023, 10:23 PM)Card10Fan Wrote: Wow that was such a fun game to watch in person! Our team didn’t seem fazed at all by the crowd. Great game plan by coaches and execution by team. Everyone played well led by Haley and Cam. If they plan this way the rest of the season, we are absolutely a final 4 team. Who can defend Cam with the ball at the elbow with Lauren Betts sealing for a lob in the paint. No team can handle those two, it’s a total mismatch in our favor. Tara seemed pretty fired up all game. I felt like she was on the refs a lot and got up several times to discuss with them.

This was my first time to Tucson. I’d put McKale and the city in the bottom tier of favorite Pac12 road cities and venues to visit. Obviously the fan support is great but I didn’t think the arena itself was that great. Overall glad to be here and happy our team performed and showed out on ESPN.

Former Stanford players Erica McCall and JJ Hones were in attendance and sat in the Stanford fan section. Always nice to see former players back supporting their alma mater.

Re: McKale. I attended twos game there - our men's regional NCAA games where we beat Oklahoma and upset Wake Forest and Tim Duncan to advance to the Sweet 16. My seats were, believe it or not, next to a wall that portruded out in the upper section suich that I could only see half of the court.

RE: WBB: Stanford @ Arizona Thursday 6:30 ESPN - joemontes - 02-10-2023

(02-09-2023, 09:12 PM)81alum Wrote: When we see Brink and Betts playing together, we are seeing next year.

Why wait for next year?

I think that this is going to be a very potent 4-5 punch for the rest of this season.
Very similar to the 6'5 BOSTON/6'7 CARDOSO post tandem for South Carolina.

I truly believe this is part of what the doctor ordered.

RE: WBB: Stanford @ Arizona Thursday 6:30 ESPN - 81alum - 02-10-2023

(02-10-2023, 07:50 AM)joemontes Wrote:
(02-09-2023, 09:12 PM)81alum Wrote: When we see Brink and Betts playing together, we are seeing next year.
Why wait for next year?

I htink that this is going to be a very potent 4-5 punch for the rest of this season.
Very similar to the 6'5 BOSTON/6'7 CARDOSO post tandem for South Carolina.

I truly believe this is part of what the doctor ordered.

Certainly it worked wonders against Arizona. But it was not only Brink/Betts. Belibi/Iriafen did the high/low game, and so did Prectel/Iriafen. Demetre had 3 assists. It seems as if Tara decided to get all of our many bigs involved in pushing high/low, and it really worked.

I've wondered all year why we were not doing more of this. I still wonder why it took so long. But it does seem to be a way of beating the paint-packers that doesn't involve bombing away from three point range.

There is another factor that I think is quite important in opening up our offense--and that is simply that Jones is now consistently hitting her mid range. She was 8/11 against Arizona, and 3/13 against USC.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - chimera - 02-10-2023

(02-09-2023, 11:40 PM)TheWildJacko Wrote: Interesting quote from Tara in the Mercury News:

Quote:“We wanted to be aggressive, we wanted to play fast, that’s how we want to play,” Stanford coach Tara VanDerVeer said. “I think we can even do better. And I think I’ve been holding us back, honestly, I really do.”

So she’s definitely taking some responsibility for our recent struggles.

I would like to see or hear that interview to find out what she meant by that, exactly. How does she think she held the team back? Not getting more time for Nivar and Betts? Loosening up the offense somehow? Also wonder what was up with Harriel. She did not play I don't think. I assume some sort of injury or illness, although she was on the bench.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - OCcardinal - 02-10-2023

As an update to my earlier analysis on plus/minus:

Nivar: 22 minutes +27
Lepolo: 19 minutes +5
(Nivar also had an Eff score of 15 to Lepolo's 5)

The continuing disparity is looking less and less flukish.

Also, Brink only played 21 minutes, which was, of course, due in part to foul trouble. (She likely would have played at least 26 minutes had the game been closer.) But, what's notable is that Brink was again her booster rocket self. In her 21 minutes Brink had an Efficiency score of 23, only 1 less than Caitlin Clark's 24 EFF yesterday, despite Clark's 35 points and 10 assists (in 39 minutes) vs Indiana.

And as an update to my earlier Stanford records analysis:

Brink set a new single season blocks record last night and is now up to 271 career blocks. I had forecast that she would break the Stanford career blocks record at home vs USC. But she's now only 2 blocks away from Jayne Appel's record of 273. Odds are goods she'll set the record vs Arizona State (unless Tara decides to really limit her minutes).

Hannah's made 3s have fallen off a bit (from a season average of 3.1 to 2.9 per game). She now has 259 career made 3s.

There are only 3 players ahead of her:

1. 311 Kiana Williams 2017-21
2. 295 Candice Wiggins 2004-08
3. 268 Jeanette Pohlen 2007-11

We have 5 games left for the regular season. Our postseason will be a minimum of 2 and maximum of 9 games.

If we play the full 9 postseason games and Jump averages three made 3s per game that would get her to 301. So I would say that 1) it is highly likely that she will pass Pohlen during the regulation season, 2) it is more likely than not she will pass Wiggins in the postseason, and 3) passing Williams remains a stretch (but not impossible).

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - cardfan1996 - 02-10-2023

(02-09-2023, 10:04 PM)martyup Wrote: That effort and outcome should shut down the whinging.

"We wanted to be aggressive, we wanted to play fast, that's how we want to play," Stanford coach Tara VanDerVeer said. "I think we can even do better. And I think I've been holding us back, honestly, I really do."

If and only if Tara follows through and optimizes her enormously talented roster that should never lose to USC or Washington. Even after the Arizona game, I felt Adia was too hard on her team after this beat down. Those losses to USC and Washington made PAC-12 teams think that Stanford is beatable. And they shouldn’t think that. I always thought Part of StanfordWBB’s psychological advantage in the PAC-10 now 12 was that 90% of the seasons (probably higher) PAC-10/12 teams didn’t realistically believe they could win and as a consequence, that made it easier for Stanford to win. Adia said even post game, Stanford is beatable. No Stanford is not beatable by the PAC-10/12 if as Tara said, she doesn’t hold her roster back based on who or who does not make her feel comfortable. You must give talent experience. Nivar would be a lot more polished now if this investment had started in November. So, too, Bosgana.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - TheWildJacko - 02-10-2023

(02-10-2023, 12:10 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:
(02-09-2023, 10:04 PM)martyup Wrote: That effort and outcome should shut down the whinging.

"We wanted to be aggressive, we wanted to play fast, that's how we want to play," Stanford coach Tara VanDerVeer said. "I think we can even do better. And I think I've been holding us back, honestly, I really do."

If and only if Tara follows through and optimizes her enormously talented roster that should never lose to USC or Washington. Even after the Arizona game, I felt Adia was too hard on her team after this beat down. Those losses to USC and Washington made PAC-12 teams think that Stanford is beatable. And they shouldn’t think that. I always thought Part of StanfordWBB’s psychological advantage in the PAC-10 now 12 was that 90% of the seasons (probably higher) PAC-10/12 teams didn’t realistically believe they could win and as a consequence, that made it easier for Stanford to win. Adia said even post game, Stanford is beatable. No Stanford is not beatable by the PAC-10/12 if as Tara said, she doesn’t hold her roster back based on who or who does not make her feel comfortable. You must give talent experience. Nivar would be a lot more polished now if this investment had started in November. So, too, Bosgana.

I pretty strongly disagree with this take. I mean, yes, we have a ton of talent and experience. Yes, we have a hall of fame coach. But:

A) We're not the only team with talent, intelligence and experience.
B) We're not the only team with an intelligent coach that excels at getting the most out of their talent.
C) It's pretty dismissive of other teams/coaches/players/the entire league to suggest that we should always win as long as our coach uses our players in the "correct" way.
D) There are a ton of other factors that go into a game on any given day—fatigue, mental state, injuries/illness, reffing, luck, dozens or even hundreds of split-second, in-game decisions—that make other teams beating us not at all implausible.

Do you really believe the rest of the Pac-12 is that weak?

Even NBA super-teams that should by all rights crush the opposition end up losing to hotter teams (see, unfortunately, the 2015-16 Warriors, 73-9 in the regular season, blowing a 3-1 lead to the 57-25 Cavs in the Finals).

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - CompSci87 - 02-10-2023

(02-10-2023, 09:50 AM)chimera Wrote:
(02-09-2023, 11:40 PM)TheWildJacko Wrote: Interesting quote from Tara in the Mercury News:

Quote:“We wanted to be aggressive, we wanted to play fast, that’s how we want to play,” Stanford coach Tara VanDerVeer said. “I think we can even do better. And I think I’ve been holding us back, honestly, I really do.”

So she’s definitely taking some responsibility for our recent struggles.

I would like to see or hear that interview to find out what she meant by that, exactly. How does she think she held the team back? Not getting more time for Nivar and Betts? Loosening up the offense somehow? Also wonder what was up with Harriel. She did not play I don't think. I assume some sort of injury or illness, although she was on the bench.

Yes, I'm really curious too about what she meant. The things we saw more of against Arizona are a reasonable guess, but it would be great to really know.

I thought Harriel had played, but from the box score I see you're right. Papadaki and Green got in, but no Harriel.

RE: WBB: Stanford 84 -- Arizona 60 - martyup - 02-10-2023

Boy, this game makes you wonder why Betts didn't see the court against UW. I'm thinking Cam's cold/flu hit more on the team. That could explain why they played with such low energy against UW, which shows up in the rebounding. Maybe Betts was really not feeling well during the UW game and Tara didn't play her because of it.