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Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - Viking_Guy - 01-08-2012
MT--
I guess I'm spoiled; I'm used to the Ogwumikes being more able to vacuum up offensive boards against smaller opposition than even their good percentage Saturday. Anecdotally, first half I'm close to the defensive hoop; I just remember noticing really solid boxing out on Nneka on many occasions in the first half.
I was actually wondering about percentage of available boards, having run into that statistic before. Do you any comparisons from earlier this year? I think it does point out that the first and second half were qualitatively different, even if Stanford shot equally poorly (actually, IIRC, identically poorly) in each half. I think our rebounding in the second half was so outstanding in part because of the better job we did at the point of attack, either in the man or in zone, letting the bigs concentrate on rebounding rather than having to constantly rotate to help.
Yep, just looked it up: each half 12-33 from the field, 1-4 from three.Â
VG
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - Viking_Guy - 01-08-2012
MT--
I guess I'm spoiled; I'm used to the Ogwumikes being more able to vacuum up offensive boards against smaller opposition than even their good percentage Saturday. Anecdotally, first half I'm close to the defensive hoop; I just remember noticing really solid boxing out on Nneka on many occasions in the first half.
I was actually wondering about percentage of available boards, having run into that statistic before. Do you any comparisons from earlier this year? I think it does point out that the first and second half were qualitatively different, even if Stanford shot equally poorly (actually, IIRC, identically poorly) in each half. I think our rebounding in the second half was so outstanding in part because of the better job we did at the point of attack, either in the man or in zone, letting the bigs concentrate on rebounding rather than having to constantly rotate to help.
Yep, just looked it up: each half 12-33 from the field, 1-4 from three.Â
VG
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - Viking_Guy - 01-08-2012
MT--
I guess I'm spoiled; I'm used to the Ogwumikes being more able to vacuum up offensive boards against smaller opposition than even their good percentage Saturday. Anecdotally, first half I'm close to the defensive hoop; I just remember noticing really solid boxing out on Nneka on many occasions in the first half.
I was actually wondering about percentage of available boards, having run into that statistic before. Do you any comparisons from earlier this year? I think it does point out that the first and second half were qualitatively different, even if Stanford shot equally poorly (actually, IIRC, identically poorly) in each half. I think our rebounding in the second half was so outstanding in part because of the better job we did at the point of attack, either in the man or in zone, letting the bigs concentrate on rebounding rather than having to constantly rotate to help.
Yep, just looked it up: each half 12-33 from the field, 1-4 from three.Â
VG
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - Viking_Guy - 01-08-2012
MT--
I guess I'm spoiled; I'm used to the Ogwumikes being more able to vacuum up offensive boards against smaller opposition than even their good percentage Saturday. Anecdotally, first half I'm close to the defensive hoop; I just remember noticing really solid boxing out on Nneka on many occasions in the first half.
I was actually wondering about percentage of available boards, having run into that statistic before. Do you any comparisons from earlier this year? I think it does point out that the first and second half were qualitatively different, even if Stanford shot equally poorly (actually, IIRC, identically poorly) in each half. I think our rebounding in the second half was so outstanding in part because of the better job we did at the point of attack, either in the man or in zone, letting the bigs concentrate on rebounding rather than having to constantly rotate to help.
Yep, just looked it up: each half 12-33 from the field, 1-4 from three.Â
VG
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - 81alum - 01-09-2012
Stanford shot 36.4% in the first half, and 36.4% in the second half, for (obviously) 36.4% for the game.
Oregon State shot 65.2% in the first half, and 35.7% in the second, or 49% for the game. That is a major offensive decline, and improved Stanford defense has to get some of the credit.
After the game, Tara talked about moving Toni to guard Ali Gibson in the second half, who was the frosh guard from Oregon State who had such an excellent first half (in the talk, Gibson was referred to by her number.) In the first half, Gibson scored 13 with 4 layups, a jumper, and a three pointer--and two misses. In the second half, Gibson scored 3 points with one three pointer and five misses. The ten point difference in her performance was equal to the ten point difference in the Oregon State offensive letdown from their first to second half, and of course was more than the margin of the game.
I noticed in the second half that Toni would meet her player (who I now know was Gibson) in the backcourt and shadow her the whole way up the court. She did this even if it was a different Oregon State player bringing the ball up. The whole Stanford defense would be back in the half court defense except Toni, who would be harassing her player--even when her player did not have the ball and even while the ballhandler came up court unmolested. It looked odd to me, but it must have been designed to throw Gibson off stride--or to prevent her from receiving a pass--and perhaps it worked. In any case, Gibson seems to have been defended better in the second half with Toni on her than she was in the first with others on her.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - 81alum - 01-09-2012
Stanford shot 36.4% in the first half, and 36.4% in the second half, for (obviously) 36.4% for the game.
Oregon State shot 65.2% in the first half, and 35.7% in the second, or 49% for the game. That is a major offensive decline, and improved Stanford defense has to get some of the credit.
After the game, Tara talked about moving Toni to guard Ali Gibson in the second half, who was the frosh guard from Oregon State who had such an excellent first half (in the talk, Gibson was referred to by her number.) In the first half, Gibson scored 13 with 4 layups, a jumper, and a three pointer--and two misses. In the second half, Gibson scored 3 points with one three pointer and five misses. The ten point difference in her performance was equal to the ten point difference in the Oregon State offensive letdown from their first to second half, and of course was more than the margin of the game.
I noticed in the second half that Toni would meet her player (who I now know was Gibson) in the backcourt and shadow her the whole way up the court. She did this even if it was a different Oregon State player bringing the ball up. The whole Stanford defense would be back in the half court defense except Toni, who would be harassing her player--even when her player did not have the ball and even while the ballhandler came up court unmolested. It looked odd to me, but it must have been designed to throw Gibson off stride--or to prevent her from receiving a pass--and perhaps it worked. In any case, Gibson seems to have been defended better in the second half with Toni on her than she was in the first with others on her.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - 81alum - 01-09-2012
Stanford shot 36.4% in the first half, and 36.4% in the second half, for (obviously) 36.4% for the game.
Oregon State shot 65.2% in the first half, and 35.7% in the second, or 49% for the game. That is a major offensive decline, and improved Stanford defense has to get some of the credit.
After the game, Tara talked about moving Toni to guard Ali Gibson in the second half, who was the frosh guard from Oregon State who had such an excellent first half (in the talk, Gibson was referred to by her number.) In the first half, Gibson scored 13 with 4 layups, a jumper, and a three pointer--and two misses. In the second half, Gibson scored 3 points with one three pointer and five misses. The ten point difference in her performance was equal to the ten point difference in the Oregon State offensive letdown from their first to second half, and of course was more than the margin of the game.
I noticed in the second half that Toni would meet her player (who I now know was Gibson) in the backcourt and shadow her the whole way up the court. She did this even if it was a different Oregon State player bringing the ball up. The whole Stanford defense would be back in the half court defense except Toni, who would be harassing her player--even when her player did not have the ball and even while the ballhandler came up court unmolested. It looked odd to me, but it must have been designed to throw Gibson off stride--or to prevent her from receiving a pass--and perhaps it worked. In any case, Gibson seems to have been defended better in the second half with Toni on her than she was in the first with others on her.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - 81alum - 01-09-2012
Stanford shot 36.4% in the first half, and 36.4% in the second half, for (obviously) 36.4% for the game.
Oregon State shot 65.2% in the first half, and 35.7% in the second, or 49% for the game. That is a major offensive decline, and improved Stanford defense has to get some of the credit.
After the game, Tara talked about moving Toni to guard Ali Gibson in the second half, who was the frosh guard from Oregon State who had such an excellent first half (in the talk, Gibson was referred to by her number.) In the first half, Gibson scored 13 with 4 layups, a jumper, and a three pointer--and two misses. In the second half, Gibson scored 3 points with one three pointer and five misses. The ten point difference in her performance was equal to the ten point difference in the Oregon State offensive letdown from their first to second half, and of course was more than the margin of the game.
I noticed in the second half that Toni would meet her player (who I now know was Gibson) in the backcourt and shadow her the whole way up the court. She did this even if it was a different Oregon State player bringing the ball up. The whole Stanford defense would be back in the half court defense except Toni, who would be harassing her player--even when her player did not have the ball and even while the ballhandler came up court unmolested. It looked odd to me, but it must have been designed to throw Gibson off stride--or to prevent her from receiving a pass--and perhaps it worked. In any case, Gibson seems to have been defended better in the second half with Toni on her than she was in the first with others on her.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - CompSci87 - 01-09-2012
81alum: I saw Lindy picking up Sage Indendi (#22) in the backcourt and harassing her all the way up the floor, not Toni on Ali Gibson (#14).
I assume the coaches saw a weakness in ballhandling and/or quickness in Indendi that meant we could harass her even with Lindy and not have her blow by us. Indendi was normally the one to bring the ball up the floor for OSU, but with Lindy on her so tightly, OSU would bring three players into the backcourt instead of the normal two and usually inbound to the guard that no one was defending.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - CompSci87 - 01-09-2012
81alum: I saw Lindy picking up Sage Indendi (#22) in the backcourt and harassing her all the way up the floor, not Toni on Ali Gibson (#14).
I assume the coaches saw a weakness in ballhandling and/or quickness in Indendi that meant we could harass her even with Lindy and not have her blow by us. Indendi was normally the one to bring the ball up the floor for OSU, but with Lindy on her so tightly, OSU would bring three players into the backcourt instead of the normal two and usually inbound to the guard that no one was defending.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - CompSci87 - 01-09-2012
81alum: I saw Lindy picking up Sage Indendi (#22) in the backcourt and harassing her all the way up the floor, not Toni on Ali Gibson (#14).
I assume the coaches saw a weakness in ballhandling and/or quickness in Indendi that meant we could harass her even with Lindy and not have her blow by us. Indendi was normally the one to bring the ball up the floor for OSU, but with Lindy on her so tightly, OSU would bring three players into the backcourt instead of the normal two and usually inbound to the guard that no one was defending.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - CompSci87 - 01-09-2012
81alum: I saw Lindy picking up Sage Indendi (#22) in the backcourt and harassing her all the way up the floor, not Toni on Ali Gibson (#14).
I assume the coaches saw a weakness in ballhandling and/or quickness in Indendi that meant we could harass her even with Lindy and not have her blow by us. Indendi was normally the one to bring the ball up the floor for OSU, but with Lindy on her so tightly, OSU would bring three players into the backcourt instead of the normal two and usually inbound to the guard that no one was defending.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - 81alum - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 10:21 AM)CompSci87 link Wrote:81alum: I saw Lindy picking up Sage Indendi (#22) in the backcourt and harassing her all the way up the floor, not Toni on Ali Gibson (#14).Interesting. Yes, I saw the three player thing and was curious about it. While I'm sure that I saw Toni harassing an Oregon State player up the court a few times, I could be wrong about nearly everything else! I think for more experienced fans the game slows down--as it does for players--and some of you are able to notice details that I miss. Thanks for putting me right.
I assume the coaches saw a weakness in ballhandling and/or quickness in Indendi that meant we could harass her even with Lindy and not have her blow by us. Indendi was normally the one to bring the ball up the floor for OSU, but with Lindy on her so tightly, OSU would bring three players into the backcourt instead of the normal two and usually inbound to the guard that no one was defending.
Come to think of it, maybe that was the switch that Tara talked about. Was Toni on Indenti (as the point guard) in the first half and Lindy on Aly Gibson--then Tara flipped them in the second half after Aly "went off" and Indenti seemed less dangerous?
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - 81alum - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 10:21 AM)CompSci87 link Wrote:81alum: I saw Lindy picking up Sage Indendi (#22) in the backcourt and harassing her all the way up the floor, not Toni on Ali Gibson (#14).Interesting. Yes, I saw the three player thing and was curious about it. While I'm sure that I saw Toni harassing an Oregon State player up the court a few times, I could be wrong about nearly everything else! I think for more experienced fans the game slows down--as it does for players--and some of you are able to notice details that I miss. Thanks for putting me right.
I assume the coaches saw a weakness in ballhandling and/or quickness in Indendi that meant we could harass her even with Lindy and not have her blow by us. Indendi was normally the one to bring the ball up the floor for OSU, but with Lindy on her so tightly, OSU would bring three players into the backcourt instead of the normal two and usually inbound to the guard that no one was defending.
Come to think of it, maybe that was the switch that Tara talked about. Was Toni on Indenti (as the point guard) in the first half and Lindy on Aly Gibson--then Tara flipped them in the second half after Aly "went off" and Indenti seemed less dangerous?
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - 81alum - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 10:21 AM)CompSci87 link Wrote:81alum: I saw Lindy picking up Sage Indendi (#22) in the backcourt and harassing her all the way up the floor, not Toni on Ali Gibson (#14).Interesting. Yes, I saw the three player thing and was curious about it. While I'm sure that I saw Toni harassing an Oregon State player up the court a few times, I could be wrong about nearly everything else! I think for more experienced fans the game slows down--as it does for players--and some of you are able to notice details that I miss. Thanks for putting me right.
I assume the coaches saw a weakness in ballhandling and/or quickness in Indendi that meant we could harass her even with Lindy and not have her blow by us. Indendi was normally the one to bring the ball up the floor for OSU, but with Lindy on her so tightly, OSU would bring three players into the backcourt instead of the normal two and usually inbound to the guard that no one was defending.
Come to think of it, maybe that was the switch that Tara talked about. Was Toni on Indenti (as the point guard) in the first half and Lindy on Aly Gibson--then Tara flipped them in the second half after Aly "went off" and Indenti seemed less dangerous?
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - 81alum - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 10:21 AM)CompSci87 link Wrote:81alum: I saw Lindy picking up Sage Indendi (#22) in the backcourt and harassing her all the way up the floor, not Toni on Ali Gibson (#14).Interesting. Yes, I saw the three player thing and was curious about it. While I'm sure that I saw Toni harassing an Oregon State player up the court a few times, I could be wrong about nearly everything else! I think for more experienced fans the game slows down--as it does for players--and some of you are able to notice details that I miss. Thanks for putting me right.
I assume the coaches saw a weakness in ballhandling and/or quickness in Indendi that meant we could harass her even with Lindy and not have her blow by us. Indendi was normally the one to bring the ball up the floor for OSU, but with Lindy on her so tightly, OSU would bring three players into the backcourt instead of the normal two and usually inbound to the guard that no one was defending.
Come to think of it, maybe that was the switch that Tara talked about. Was Toni on Indenti (as the point guard) in the first half and Lindy on Aly Gibson--then Tara flipped them in the second half after Aly "went off" and Indenti seemed less dangerous?
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - CompSci87 - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 03:31 PM)81alum link Wrote:Come to think of it, maybe that was the switch that Tara talked about. Was Toni on Indenti (as the point guard) in the first half and Lindy on Aly Gibson--then Tara flipped them in the second half after Aly "went off" and Indenti seemed less dangerous?
Yes, I believe so.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - CompSci87 - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 03:31 PM)81alum link Wrote:Come to think of it, maybe that was the switch that Tara talked about. Was Toni on Indenti (as the point guard) in the first half and Lindy on Aly Gibson--then Tara flipped them in the second half after Aly "went off" and Indenti seemed less dangerous?
Yes, I believe so.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - CompSci87 - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 03:31 PM)81alum link Wrote:Come to think of it, maybe that was the switch that Tara talked about. Was Toni on Indenti (as the point guard) in the first half and Lindy on Aly Gibson--then Tara flipped them in the second half after Aly "went off" and Indenti seemed less dangerous?
Yes, I believe so.
Re: WBB: Stanford 67 Oregon State 60 - CompSci87 - 01-09-2012
(01-09-2012, 03:31 PM)81alum link Wrote:Come to think of it, maybe that was the switch that Tara talked about. Was Toni on Indenti (as the point guard) in the first half and Lindy on Aly Gibson--then Tara flipped them in the second half after Aly "went off" and Indenti seemed less dangerous?
Yes, I believe so.