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Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Rando - 01-14-2012
Why don't we create an option where users can turn edit text options off. Seems like most people are okay with reading the University of South Central or School near Oakland repetitively, but I don't think I'm the only one who is annoyed by it.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Rando - 01-14-2012
Why don't we create an option where users can turn edit text options off. Seems like most people are okay with reading the University of South Central or School near Oakland repetitively, but I don't think I'm the only one who is annoyed by it.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Rando - 01-14-2012
Why don't we create an option where users can turn edit text options off. Seems like most people are okay with reading the University of South Central or School near Oakland repetitively, but I don't think I'm the only one who is annoyed by it.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Farm93 - 01-14-2012
FWIW, I think it is very clear from sources in LA that SC needs to clear spots and is, in fact, clearing spots. Either SC is misleading 15 HS recruits that space will be available or they are making space by forcing others to leave. The math is not that hard to follow. Either way, some kids are getting a raw deal for the greater good of SC.
If SC was a pro franchise this type of move would be quite logical. As SC fans like to think of SC football as the local pro team, these moves probably don't bother the fans one bit. Anything to win a BCS title, fight on, and all. The SEC does similar types of things every single year, as they allow far too many players to verbal for their limited number of slots. It is not a conspiracy, and it is not against the rules. It is just far from the message most coaches tell the kids parents when they are recruiting them out of HS.Â
It is not THAT sleezy, but it is inconsistent with a school that is claiming it is diligently working to improve its academic reputation.
I certainly would not expect a school that was comfortable breaking the rules to then become uncomfortable bending a few unwritten ethical ones in the pursuit of wins.
The more I see examples like SC, the SEC and others, the more I believe a school should be required to offer 4 year scholarships.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Farm93 - 01-14-2012
FWIW, I think it is very clear from sources in LA that SC needs to clear spots and is, in fact, clearing spots. Either SC is misleading 15 HS recruits that space will be available or they are making space by forcing others to leave. The math is not that hard to follow. Either way, some kids are getting a raw deal for the greater good of SC.
If SC was a pro franchise this type of move would be quite logical. As SC fans like to think of SC football as the local pro team, these moves probably don't bother the fans one bit. Anything to win a BCS title, fight on, and all. The SEC does similar types of things every single year, as they allow far too many players to verbal for their limited number of slots. It is not a conspiracy, and it is not against the rules. It is just far from the message most coaches tell the kids parents when they are recruiting them out of HS.Â
It is not THAT sleezy, but it is inconsistent with a school that is claiming it is diligently working to improve its academic reputation.
I certainly would not expect a school that was comfortable breaking the rules to then become uncomfortable bending a few unwritten ethical ones in the pursuit of wins.
The more I see examples like SC, the SEC and others, the more I believe a school should be required to offer 4 year scholarships.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Farm93 - 01-14-2012
FWIW, I think it is very clear from sources in LA that SC needs to clear spots and is, in fact, clearing spots. Either SC is misleading 15 HS recruits that space will be available or they are making space by forcing others to leave. The math is not that hard to follow. Either way, some kids are getting a raw deal for the greater good of SC.
If SC was a pro franchise this type of move would be quite logical. As SC fans like to think of SC football as the local pro team, these moves probably don't bother the fans one bit. Anything to win a BCS title, fight on, and all. The SEC does similar types of things every single year, as they allow far too many players to verbal for their limited number of slots. It is not a conspiracy, and it is not against the rules. It is just far from the message most coaches tell the kids parents when they are recruiting them out of HS.Â
It is not THAT sleezy, but it is inconsistent with a school that is claiming it is diligently working to improve its academic reputation.
I certainly would not expect a school that was comfortable breaking the rules to then become uncomfortable bending a few unwritten ethical ones in the pursuit of wins.
The more I see examples like SC, the SEC and others, the more I believe a school should be required to offer 4 year scholarships.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - CowboyIndian - 01-14-2012
(01-14-2012, 05:05 PM)Rando90 link Wrote:I'm still annoyed everytime I have to read the forum text edits.There ARE boards that you may not find so annoying.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - CowboyIndian - 01-14-2012
(01-14-2012, 05:05 PM)Rando90 link Wrote:I'm still annoyed everytime I have to read the forum text edits.There ARE boards that you may not find so annoying.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - CowboyIndian - 01-14-2012
(01-14-2012, 05:05 PM)Rando90 link Wrote:I'm still annoyed everytime I have to read the forum text edits.There ARE boards that you may not find so annoying.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Rando - 01-14-2012
Thanks. I wasn't aware.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Rando - 01-14-2012
Thanks. I wasn't aware.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Rando - 01-14-2012
Thanks. I wasn't aware.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - washingtonismoney - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 05:49 PM)garvin link Wrote:I flat do not believe that Amir Carlisle would be leaving the University of South Central if he expected to be a featured part of the Trojan offense next year. Nor do I suggest it's hateful for Lane Kiffin to tell Carlisle that if it's true. If and when there's evidence that Kiffin is yanking scholarships to make room, then I'll hate.
Nah, I really do think Carlisle left for lifestyle rather than football reasons. They've got almost no depth at running back and Carlisle would've been their second-leading returning rusher. Hard for me to believe Kiffin would chase someone off like that--especially since he spent most of the season praising the guy.
The rest of them probably have been advised as to their chances of playing time.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - washingtonismoney - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 05:49 PM)garvin link Wrote:I flat do not believe that Amir Carlisle would be leaving the University of South Central if he expected to be a featured part of the Trojan offense next year. Nor do I suggest it's hateful for Lane Kiffin to tell Carlisle that if it's true. If and when there's evidence that Kiffin is yanking scholarships to make room, then I'll hate.
Nah, I really do think Carlisle left for lifestyle rather than football reasons. They've got almost no depth at running back and Carlisle would've been their second-leading returning rusher. Hard for me to believe Kiffin would chase someone off like that--especially since he spent most of the season praising the guy.
The rest of them probably have been advised as to their chances of playing time.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - washingtonismoney - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 05:49 PM)garvin link Wrote:I flat do not believe that Amir Carlisle would be leaving the University of South Central if he expected to be a featured part of the Trojan offense next year. Nor do I suggest it's hateful for Lane Kiffin to tell Carlisle that if it's true. If and when there's evidence that Kiffin is yanking scholarships to make room, then I'll hate.
Nah, I really do think Carlisle left for lifestyle rather than football reasons. They've got almost no depth at running back and Carlisle would've been their second-leading returning rusher. Hard for me to believe Kiffin would chase someone off like that--especially since he spent most of the season praising the guy.
The rest of them probably have been advised as to their chances of playing time.
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Farm93 - 01-15-2012
Garvin, the math tells you everything you need to see. You can start hating, if you want.
Why on Earth would players leave a program with only 75 scholarship players AND a shot at the BCS title game? It does not make any sense. Even if they are player #75 they will still see a ton of action. SC is definitely going to destroy some teams, so almost everyone that could play will play quite a lot. Why would anyone leave that situation after sitting at SC during the bowl-free probation period? Maybe one can get 2 or 3 players with family situations, or whatever, but seven?? Come on. And what a coincidence it will be that seven is precisely the number needed to allow all 17 new recruits to fit.
But it is well within the rules. The SEC masters the idea. Many schools in the conference accept 30+ verbals each year banking on the idea that at least a few won't qualify for school. I don't hate SC or Kiffin for making the move, but it is obvious the NCAA needs to fix this problem.
A player needs to commit to a school and faces severe penalties for transferring. But a coach can leave any ole time for more money, and a school can cut a player at any moment. The kids put their bodies and brains on the line for a system that clearly is not concerned about their best interests.
I guess, I am saying, with or without Kiffin intent it is the NCAA's problem because this looks like the issue the NCAA wants to ignore.Â
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Farm93 - 01-15-2012
Garvin, the math tells you everything you need to see. You can start hating, if you want.
Why on Earth would players leave a program with only 75 scholarship players AND a shot at the BCS title game? It does not make any sense. Even if they are player #75 they will still see a ton of action. SC is definitely going to destroy some teams, so almost everyone that could play will play quite a lot. Why would anyone leave that situation after sitting at SC during the bowl-free probation period? Maybe one can get 2 or 3 players with family situations, or whatever, but seven?? Come on. And what a coincidence it will be that seven is precisely the number needed to allow all 17 new recruits to fit.
But it is well within the rules. The SEC masters the idea. Many schools in the conference accept 30+ verbals each year banking on the idea that at least a few won't qualify for school. I don't hate SC or Kiffin for making the move, but it is obvious the NCAA needs to fix this problem.
A player needs to commit to a school and faces severe penalties for transferring. But a coach can leave any ole time for more money, and a school can cut a player at any moment. The kids put their bodies and brains on the line for a system that clearly is not concerned about their best interests.
I guess, I am saying, with or without Kiffin intent it is the NCAA's problem because this looks like the issue the NCAA wants to ignore.Â
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - Farm93 - 01-15-2012
Garvin, the math tells you everything you need to see. You can start hating, if you want.
Why on Earth would players leave a program with only 75 scholarship players AND a shot at the BCS title game? It does not make any sense. Even if they are player #75 they will still see a ton of action. SC is definitely going to destroy some teams, so almost everyone that could play will play quite a lot. Why would anyone leave that situation after sitting at SC during the bowl-free probation period? Maybe one can get 2 or 3 players with family situations, or whatever, but seven?? Come on. And what a coincidence it will be that seven is precisely the number needed to allow all 17 new recruits to fit.
But it is well within the rules. The SEC masters the idea. Many schools in the conference accept 30+ verbals each year banking on the idea that at least a few won't qualify for school. I don't hate SC or Kiffin for making the move, but it is obvious the NCAA needs to fix this problem.
A player needs to commit to a school and faces severe penalties for transferring. But a coach can leave any ole time for more money, and a school can cut a player at any moment. The kids put their bodies and brains on the line for a system that clearly is not concerned about their best interests.
I guess, I am saying, with or without Kiffin intent it is the NCAA's problem because this looks like the issue the NCAA wants to ignore.Â
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - socalstanfan1 - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 05:49 PM)garvin link Wrote:I flat do not believe that Amir Carlisle would be leaving the University of South Central if he expected to be a featured part of the Trojan offense next year. Nor do I suggest it's hateful for Lane Kiffin to tell Carlisle that if it's true. If and when there's evidence that Kiffin is yanking scholarships to make room, then I'll hate.
I'm guessing that it would violate some NCAA rules if head coaches just "yanked" players scholarships just because they did not perform up to expectations. That seems to be the reason Saban and others use medical scholarships to clear room on the team. Is it "hateful" for Kiffin, or any other coach, to encourage players to look for other options by honestly telling them they won't see the field? Telling Kyle Prater, for example, that it is very unlikely that he will get any PT, and he may have a better chance someplace else, seems to me in some ways ethical, actually. More ethical than giving false hope to a kid who was a star in HS and who still entertains dreams of playing on Sundays. What we cannot know is whether that is really where the conversation ends, or is the kid pressured in other ways to make that decision to leave. My question: how common is this with USC? How many students, on average, leave USC each year for opportunities to play elsewhere? For me, if this is a really unusually high number of transfers (say, double the normal number or more), I would take that as an indication (maybe not "evidence") that there is some kind of pressure being applied. If this is a normal number, and we are all just noticing it because of the scholarship limit coming up, then it is probably just business as usual at USC.
R.E. Carlisle, I'm beginning to wonder exactly what is going into the young man's decisions (which are entirely his to make). He commits early here, noting that he felt it was a divine call; then said he was headed to USC due to the drama program; now he is off to the midwest, where he will be close to dad (coincidence? maybe, or maybe not). I'm not sure that he would be someone Kiffin "ran off," just based on his performance as a true freshman last year. It is possible that some of the attrition in the program is just normal, business as usual, but other people leaving is the result of some additional "encouragement".
Re: the University of South Central exodus continues - socalstanfan1 - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 05:49 PM)garvin link Wrote:I flat do not believe that Amir Carlisle would be leaving the University of South Central if he expected to be a featured part of the Trojan offense next year. Nor do I suggest it's hateful for Lane Kiffin to tell Carlisle that if it's true. If and when there's evidence that Kiffin is yanking scholarships to make room, then I'll hate.
I'm guessing that it would violate some NCAA rules if head coaches just "yanked" players scholarships just because they did not perform up to expectations. That seems to be the reason Saban and others use medical scholarships to clear room on the team. Is it "hateful" for Kiffin, or any other coach, to encourage players to look for other options by honestly telling them they won't see the field? Telling Kyle Prater, for example, that it is very unlikely that he will get any PT, and he may have a better chance someplace else, seems to me in some ways ethical, actually. More ethical than giving false hope to a kid who was a star in HS and who still entertains dreams of playing on Sundays. What we cannot know is whether that is really where the conversation ends, or is the kid pressured in other ways to make that decision to leave. My question: how common is this with USC? How many students, on average, leave USC each year for opportunities to play elsewhere? For me, if this is a really unusually high number of transfers (say, double the normal number or more), I would take that as an indication (maybe not "evidence") that there is some kind of pressure being applied. If this is a normal number, and we are all just noticing it because of the scholarship limit coming up, then it is probably just business as usual at USC.
R.E. Carlisle, I'm beginning to wonder exactly what is going into the young man's decisions (which are entirely his to make). He commits early here, noting that he felt it was a divine call; then said he was headed to USC due to the drama program; now he is off to the midwest, where he will be close to dad (coincidence? maybe, or maybe not). I'm not sure that he would be someone Kiffin "ran off," just based on his performance as a true freshman last year. It is possible that some of the attrition in the program is just normal, business as usual, but other people leaving is the result of some additional "encouragement".