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Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - Mick - 06-01-2015

(06-01-2015, 01:02 AM)TheFarm07 link Wrote:I know the acceptance rate has dropped because more students are applying, but is that because there are more potential applicants that have a chance to get in to choose from now as from 10-20 years ago (i.e. 20 years ago, there was 6,000 4.0 GPA/1600 SAT high school seniors and now there are 12,000 4.0 GPA/2400 SAT seniors?)

There probably aren't 12,000 4.0 GPA/2400 SAT seniors since only 583 2400s were reported in the last scholastic year. 

https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/sat-percentile-ranks-composite-crit-reading-math-writing-2014.pdf

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - TheFarm07 - 06-01-2015

(06-01-2015, 02:29 AM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=TheFarm07 link=topic=11153.msg119713#msg119713 date=1433145721]
I know the acceptance rate has dropped because more students are applying, but is that because there are more potential applicants that have a chance to get in to choose from now as from 10-20 years ago (i.e. 20 years ago, there was 6,000 4.0 GPA/1600 SAT high school seniors and now there are 12,000 4.0 GPA/2400 SAT seniors?)

There probably aren't 12,000 4.0 GPA/2400 SAT seniors since only 583 2400s were reported in the last scholastic year. 

https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/sat-percentile-ranks-composite-crit-reading-math-writing-2014.pdf
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I was just using random numbers, my point is whether there are more high-achieving HS seniors and thus more competition for the same amount of spots?

I know there are more applicants, but not every applicant is the same.  If 5,000 more students apply, but only 1,000 of them truly are competitive and stand a chance of getting in, then the competitiveness is increased by 1,000, not 5,000.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-01-2015

When Robin the Terrible was in charge recruiting was hard for all sports. Recruiting for all got easier when Dean Shaw and Bob Bowlsby arrived.

The problem today is more how AP classes fare.  Several dinged with a C.  One of whom had more than 10 B or better AP classes 

But we keep having great recruiting classes for many sports esp women with Swimming, Water Polo, tennis , Track & Field and soon volleyball.  But a 3.75 is very iffy for non FB.  And never ever think that FB recruiting and recruiting for other sports are the same.  They aren't at all.  Nor should they be as FB TV contracts support so many other sports

Who is Sharp?  Or hey Titan who is she?

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - CTcard - 06-01-2015

(06-01-2015, 02:48 AM)TheFarm07 link Wrote:I was just using random numbers, my point is whether there are more high-achieving HS seniors and thus more competition for the same amount of spots?

We've had this discussion several times on this board, and I suspect many of us in different settings.

The broad answer is that it is impossible to know, almost certainly depends upon who you are - and if you think about it enough difficult to really define what "harder to get in" really means.

The primary driver for more applications to Stanford is kids are filing more applications each - which does broaden the pool but doesn't necessarily indicate that there are more applications with a realistic shot at getting admitted.

The broadening of the pool (and other policies I understand are in place) does mean that students from some demographics have more competition than once upon a time - over a long period of time that would focus on white male children of alums, over a shorter length of time asian-american children of alums. Of course the corollary is that those from groups that didn't use to appear in Stanford's student demographic now have a better (i.e. some) chance.

For the most part scholarship athletes do not compete for spots with the rest of the applicant pool, and when things get tougher or more lenient on grades depends on the approach of particular people in charge and not changes in the total number of applicants to Stanford. And it is quite clear that football and men's basketball players are one case, other scholarship athletes another - maybe a couple of other.


- CTcard posting from a Stanford reunion/workshop in Shanghai.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - 81alum - 06-01-2015

(06-01-2015, 09:53 AM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=TheFarm07 link=topic=11153.msg119715#msg119715 date=1433152082]
I was just using random numbers, my point is whether there are more high-achieving HS seniors and thus more competition for the same amount of spots?

We've had this discussion several times on this board, and I suspect many of us in different settings.

The broad answer is that it is impossible to know, almost certainly depends upon who you are - and if you think about it enough difficult to really define what "harder to get in" really means.

The primary driver for more applications to Stanford is kids are filing more applications each - which does broaden the pool but doesn't necessarily indicate that there are more applications with a realistic shot at getting admitted.

The broadening of the pool (and other policies I understand are in place) does mean that students from some demographics have more competition than once upon a time - over a long period of time that would focus on white male children of alums, over a shorter length of time asian-american children of alums. Of course the corollary is that those from groups that didn't use to appear in Stanford's student demographic now have a better (i.e. some) chance.

For the most part scholarship athletes do not compete for spots with the rest of the applicant pool, and when things get tougher or more lenient on grades depends on the approach of particular people in charge and not changes in the total number of applicants to Stanford. And it is quite clear that football and men's basketball players are one case, other scholarship athletes another - maybe a couple of other.


- CTcard posting from a Stanford reunion/workshop in Shanghai.
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I've thought a lot about that, CT, with a daughter getting ready to apply to numerous elites.  (Not as a college athlete, though.) 

The spread of the Common App has made it easier and easier to apply to more and more schools, and most students today do apply to more places, lowering the acceptance rate.  So you are right that the acceptance rate is not by itself a good indicator of how hard it is "to get in."  That has been my great hope--that it really does not take any better credentials to make it in than it ever did--the shrinking percentage instead may reflect greater numbers of less qualified applicants.

Except when you look at the average GPA, SAT scores, and number of AP classes and find they have all gone up.  So it has gotten harder.  I won't cite specific numbers here,  since this is not the place to spread admissions information.  However, anyone who wants to work at it a bit though can find all the stats floating around various Stanford websites.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-01-2015

I think Sharp committed to Wake Forest a couple of weeks ago. 

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-01-2015

New PN rankings:  Wilson at 22, Carrington at 14?

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - TheFarm07 - 06-02-2015

(06-01-2015, 08:04 AM)BobK link Wrote:But we keep having great recruiting classes for many sports esp women with Swimming, Water Polo, tennis , Track & Field and soon volleyball.

Is it because there are more talented students in those sports?  Is admissions particularly hard on womens basketball?  I know everything pales in comparison to football, but if you look at the women's sports solely, wouldn't basketball be at the top or near top of the heap especially with a HoF coach and the attention it gets (relative to other women's college sports)?

I'm getting the impression that Tara is having a particularly hard time finding academically eligible recruits, given the higher standards, which is a shame.

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - fullmetal - 06-02-2015

(06-02-2015, 10:17 AM)garvin link Wrote:
Quote:"I can get a kid into an Ivy school so much easier than to Stanford," said Elbert Kinnebrew, who runs an elite AAU program in Long Beach.

Personally, I'm delighted to hear that an AAU guy has trouble getting a kid into Stanford. We're not a meatpacking company that caters to athletic brokers.

Agreed.  We're not an institution that random middlemen can "get kids into."

Quote:M: We're not a country club, 007!

(and someone's going to quote-check me and remind me that my movie quote memory has failed again...)

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-02-2015

All players who come to Stanford play Travel ball.  Why would you all be against it.  BTW Beebe and McCall both played for Killibrew. 


So we are that institution and same for Softball, baseball and VB.  Plus look at all the paid personal coaches. 

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-02-2015

A new prospect surfaces, can't say yet sorry.  Not exciting but a player. 

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - terry - 06-02-2015

(06-02-2015, 10:37 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:
Quote:M: We're not a country club, 007!

(and someone's going to quote-check me and remind me that my movie quote memory has failed again...)

Spot on, fullmetal. That sequence starts around the 40 second mark --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XqH0FHGc0&t=0m39s


Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-02-2015

Hey I loved your story on Commencement speakers.  Give others some slack.  LOL

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-03-2015

Mikayla Pivec from Washington is a 5-11 wing and now added to my potential recruits list.  # 64 on PN and rising. 

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-03-2015

Alana Smith

http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30600&ATCLID=210129396

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - IM in OC - 06-03-2015

(06-02-2015, 11:22 AM)BobK link Wrote:All players who come to Stanford play Travel ball.  Why would you all be against it.  BTW Beebe and McCall both played for Killibrew. 


So we are that institution and same for Softball, baseball and VB.  Plus look at all the paid personal coaches.


I know MCCall played for Kinnebrew at C-al Sparks but I thought Beebe played on Team Taurasi/C-al Storm.
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Some notes and quotes on Allana Smith from her Down Under play in the SEABL for Basketball Australia's team "Centre of Excellence"(yes that is the name of the team)
[color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]*BA COE forward Alanna Smith led her side to a win over Albury-Wodonga with 22 points and six rebounds in 26 minutes.[/color]
[color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]Forwards Alanna Smith, Anneli Maley, Alexandra Sharp and Chantel-Anais Horvat are four highly rated talents on the COE roster and all have started taking bigger roles in their SEABL games this season. [/color][color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]Smith, daughter of former NBL player Darren Smith, is heading to Stanford later this winter after she returns from the under-19 world championships[/color]
[color=rgb(30, 30, 30)][color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]“With Smith I would love to have her for another year, she had injuries last year but now she is just starting to scratch the surface of being a pro athlete.”  [/color][/color][color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]The COE women will play their final SEABL game of the season on[/color] June 28 [color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]then head off for the worlds[/color]
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http://www.basketball.net.au/seabl-women-round-8-report/

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - 81alum - 06-03-2015

That article on Smith also noted this about McCall:

Quote:Two weeks ago, sophomore forward Erica McCall was one of 12 players named to the USA roster for the 2015 World University Games in Gwangju, South Korea from July 3-14.

That sounds very encouraging.

This is an interesting quote from IM:

Quote:[color=rgb(30, 30, 30)][color=rgb(34, 34, 34)]“With Smith I would love to have her for another year, she had injuries last year but now she is just starting to scratch the surface of being a pro athlete.” [/color][/color]

Is Smith technically a pro in Australia, and if so, how can she play college ball for us?

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - BobK - 06-04-2015

Smith plays in a league with some Pros, Ruef being one.  Like Europe.  We are fine. 





Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - Spiny_Norman - 06-04-2015

(06-03-2015, 10:41 PM)81alum link Wrote:That article on Smith also noted this about McCall:

Quote:Two weeks ago, sophomore forward Erica McCall was one of 12 players named to the USA roster for the 2015 World University Games in Gwangju, South Korea from July 3-14.

Kaylee Johnson was also on the Trials roster though she was not selected for the team. 

Interestingly, no UConn players on the World University Games roster - http://www.usab.com/womens/world-university-games/roster.aspx

Re: WBB: 2016 Recruiting - fullmetal - 06-04-2015

The Northwestern head coach will be coaching the team, and his two assistants are from Tennessee's and Northern Iowa's coaching staffs.  I presume Geno has bigger plans for his summer than the WUGs.