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RE: NBA Discussion - OutsiderFan - 11-18-2023
Kendrick Perkins now says the Warriors should trade Klay Thompson. His reasoning:
1. Many guys synonymous with their teams who nobody ever saw playing anywhere else, have in fact moved on to other teams by trade or free agency. It happens.
2. Klay is pressing, trying to prove his worth in a contract year, and he is more than likely distressed that Steph and Dray have been signed, he hasn't been, and the W's and him are far apart. It doesn't make a lot of sense for the W's to sign him to a big contract.
3. Klay needs a change of scenery and a new start to reinvigorate him.
I've suggested moving Klay to the bench or trading him, but after hearing Perkins, I'm now convinced the best decision is to trade him, maybe with someone else like Kuminga to get back some under contract guys who can help. The Knicks, Heat, and Sixers might be target teams.
A new team will allow Klay to have a fresh start, take a brobdingnagian weight off the Warriors facing extension tension, and Kerr will no longer be able to defer to him based on what he's done in the past. Steph and Dray might not like it, but they aren't responsible for the team's performance.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-18-2023
I'd love to see Klay go elsewhere. I just don't think it'll happen. I think Kerr will give him all the leeway he needs to return to form. Also, I don't think another team wants to pick up a $43 million contract.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 11-19-2023
Well, they got 38 from Wiggins, including a three pointer with 1.6 seconds left and still managed to blow the game. Incredible shot by Holmgren. You can say they should’ve fouled, but when a guy catches the ball essentially against the sideline with his back to the basket 1.6 seconds left you really don’t anticipate that he’ll be able to hit a turnaround jump shot while essentially falling into the stands.
Draymond. The Warriors have put up with his crap because of the championships. But hes outlived his usefulness. I don’t believe for a second that he was acting to “defend” when he went after Gobert. There’s a long history there. In many ways, he got off the light with a five game suspension. In my opinion. The Warriors have enabled this. So they’re stuck with him for four more years. Good luck with that.
RE: NBA Discussion - gocard14 - 11-19-2023
Klay has been terrible. His fourth quarter and OT was brutal.
That said it's hard to see a trade happening. His contract is massive. No one would take it except a team already punting on the season, and they'd only want him if we attach assets to move it. Better just to move him to the bench and hope he rounds in to form.
Overall, despite the losing streak, I'm bullish. Our opponent adjusted net rating is top 5. Wiggins is rounding into form. We'll get Draymond back. We've been historically bad at shooting, which will regress to the mean.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-24-2023
(11-15-2023, 09:36 AM)Mick Wrote:(11-07-2023, 04:05 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: We should be grading the Warriors on a curve, considering that ownership is forking over $188 million in luxury tax.
Getting rid of Poole's contract was a good move, but it cost Baldwin and a future first round pick. The team already has traded Wiseman and its 2024 pick as well. As gocard noted, the team does not have an elite player after Curry, who is somewhat old. Someday, probably not too long from now, Curry's play will decline. When that happens, the team ideally would be able to re-build through the draft. Trading first rounders will make that re-build more challenging.
Although the mid-term future looks iffy, the strategy some advocated, "build for now and still avoid any need to re-build" was always somewhat unrealistic. There always was going to have to be a downturn in the cycle. Recent events might just make that downturn last a little bit longer.
Washington already wants to get rid of Poole...
Washington Wizards Guard Jordan Poole May Not Be Part of Teams' Future Plans
Poole is the #415 ranked NBA player in terms of net offensive/defensive ratings
Players Advanced | Stats | NBA.com
Jordan Poole continues a string of recent bloopers:
Wizards' Jordan Poole continues run of recent bloopers | Yardbarker
Kevin Garnett says Poole doesn't belong on the NBA due to a lack of maturity and leadership:
Kevin Garnett eviscerates Jordan Poole in epic rant
Wizards might move on from
NBA Trade Rumors: Wizards Could Move On From Jordan Poole
Ultimately...this is sad.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 11-24-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1700848001' Wrote: 1700848001[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1700066212' Wrote: 1700066212[/url]']
TrumpCard dateline='[url=tel:1699398310' Wrote: 1699398310[/url]']
We should be grading the Warriors on a curve, considering that ownership is forking over $188 million in luxury tax.
Getting rid of Poole's contract was a good move, but it cost Baldwin and a future first round pick. The team already has traded Wiseman and its 2024 pick as well. As gocard noted, the team does not have an elite player after Curry, who is somewhat old. Someday, probably not too long from now, Curry's play will decline. When that happens, the team ideally would be able to re-build through the draft. Trading first rounders will make that re-build more challenging.
Although the mid-term future looks iffy, the strategy some advocated, "build for now and still avoid any need to re-build" was always somewhat unrealistic. There always was going to have to be a downturn in the cycle. Recent events might just make that downturn last a little bit longer.
Washington already wants to get rid of Poole...
Washington Wizards Guard Jordan Poole May Not Be Part of Teams' Future Plans
Poole is the #415 ranked NBA player in terms of net offensive/defensive ratings
Players Advanced | Stats | NBA.com
Jordan Poole continues a string of recent bloopers:
Wizards' Jordan Poole continues run of recent bloopers | Yardbarker
Kevin Garnett says Poole doesn't belong on the NBA due to a lack of maturity and leadership:
Kevin Garnett eviscerates Jordan Poole in epic rant
Wizards might move on from
NBA Trade Rumors: Wizards Could Move On From Jordan Poole
Ultimately...this is sad.
It is. But not surprising. When a guy gets cold cocked by a teammate and neither the organization nor teammates provide any support it tells you a lot.
RE: NBA Discussion - gocard14 - 11-24-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1700848001' Wrote: 1700848001[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1700066212' Wrote: 1700066212[/url]']
TrumpCard dateline='[url=tel:1699398310' Wrote: 1699398310[/url]']
We should be grading the Warriors on a curve, considering that ownership is forking over $188 million in luxury tax.
Getting rid of Poole's contract was a good move, but it cost Baldwin and a future first round pick. The team already has traded Wiseman and its 2024 pick as well. As gocard noted, the team does not have an elite player after Curry, who is somewhat old. Someday, probably not too long from now, Curry's play will decline. When that happens, the team ideally would be able to re-build through the draft. Trading first rounders will make that re-build more challenging.
Although the mid-term future looks iffy, the strategy some advocated, "build for now and still avoid any need to re-build" was always somewhat unrealistic. There always was going to have to be a downturn in the cycle. Recent events might just make that downturn last a little bit longer.
Washington already wants to get rid of Poole...
Washington Wizards Guard Jordan Poole May Not Be Part of Teams' Future Plans
Poole is the #415 ranked NBA player in terms of net offensive/defensive ratings
Players Advanced | Stats | NBA.com
Jordan Poole continues a string of recent bloopers:
Wizards' Jordan Poole continues run of recent bloopers | Yardbarker
Kevin Garnett says Poole doesn't belong on the NBA due to a lack of maturity and leadership:
Kevin Garnett eviscerates Jordan Poole in epic rant
Wizards might move on from
NBA Trade Rumors: Wizards Could Move On From Jordan Poole
Ultimately...this is sad.
How will wizards move on? No one else is taking that contract. If Poole is playing so poorly he can't even be a tank commander for the wizards, where can he go?
CP3 aside, just getting out of the contract was a massive win for the Ws.
Of course the bigger win would have been to not extend him and let him become an RFA. Maybe he plays better without the security of a long term deal. And the warriors could always S&T him, or if he had a bad year maybe we resign him on the cheap as a bench/trade piece.
In my opinion restricted free agency is underutilized. Teams don't want to tie up their cap space when they know a team will match their offer. Austin Reaves deserved a big contract, but instead the lakers got a steal at 4/50 since no one wanted to throw him a bigger offer.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-28-2023
I'm actually a little bit worried about Jordan Poole turning into a dumpster fire...
Jordan Poole took time to showboat and got his shot blocked into the stratosphere
Baldwin and Rollins aren't playing at all. I thought that on the worst team in the NBA that they would get some playing time. Poole is shooting 28% from three point range, his effective FG% is .456, third worst on a bad team.
2023-24 Washington Wizards Roster and Stats
RE: NBA Discussion - Leftcoast - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 09:38 AM)Mick Wrote: I'm actually a little bit worried about Jordan Poole turning into a dumpster fire...
Yeah ... The trajectory is not good and he doesn't seem to be learning from his many, many mistakes. He's on track to become the most skilled player in the Euro League in a couple of years.
RE: NBA Discussion - cardcrimson - 11-28-2023
(11-28-2023, 10:48 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:(11-28-2023, 09:38 AM)Mick Wrote: I'm actually a little bit worried about Jordan Poole turning into a dumpster fire...
Yeah ... The trajectory is not good and he doesn't seem to be learning from his many, many mistakes. He's on track to become the most skilled player in the Euro League in a couple of years.
Somebody picked Poole to be the NBA's leading scorer this year. Only good player on a bad team means points, allegedly. Not sure if the person was here or on KNBR.
Ah, no.
RE: NBA Discussion - PAsportsfan - 11-28-2023
This is for OutsiderFan. Reporter asks Klay Thompson about moving to the bench.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5s7MoNz87xo
RE: NBA Discussion - OutsiderFan - 11-29-2023
(11-28-2023, 09:55 PM)PAsportsfan Wrote: This is for OutsiderFan. Reporter asks Klay Thompson about moving to the bench.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5s7MoNz87xo
That might be one of the most projecting defensive responses to a question that wasn't asked that I've ever seen. Now here is Klay getting ready to talk with Steve about going to bench.
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/l3V0ma60jQqGCoJyM/giphy.gif)
Not exactly the team-first mentality needed to win by Klay.
Draymond is putting his personal beefs above the team.
And Curry is not doing anything to reduce his turnovers and set the example to cherish the ball, something the W's must do given how small their error margin is.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-29-2023
(11-29-2023, 02:23 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(11-28-2023, 09:55 PM)PAsportsfan Wrote: This is for OutsiderFan. Reporter asks Klay Thompson about moving to the bench.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5s7MoNz87xo
That might be one of the most projecting defensive responses to a question that wasn't asked that I've ever seen. Now here is Klay getting ready to talk with Steve about going to bench.
Not exactly the team-first mentality needed to win by Klay.
Draymond is putting his personal beefs above the team.
And Curry is not doing anything to reduce his turnovers and set the example to cherish the ball, something the W's must do given how small their error margin is.
None of that is a surprise. Professional athletes are selfish types. Those who were once great and have declining skills are even more selfish.
Newsflash: YOU are the problem, Mr. Athlete who can't do what he once did.
RE: NBA Discussion - OutsiderFan - 11-30-2023
Gotta give Steve Kerr some credit. He admitted he made terrible mistakes in the Sacramento game. He specifically said it was a mistake to take Moses Moody out and that he should have removed Klay Thompson. And he said it was foolish to use his challenge trying to get a foul called against Kings on Curry that lost his last timeout.
It does seem that had both GP2 and Chris Paul not left the game with injuries, the Warriors win anyway, but Kerr said Moody needs to get more minutes. Of course, he said the same thing about Podziemski, and he didn't play a single minute against the Kings.
Interestingly, Kerr said before the Kings game he was planning to use a 9 man rotation that would specifically rule out both Moody and Podziemski from playing. He said he even told Moses this before the game, but to still be ready.
GP2 seems like he is going to be out a while with a torn calf. Chris Paul doesn't seem to be as serious, but I've never heard of a "nerve contusion" before and have no idea what that means or how it would be caused on a basketball court.
In any case, we can expect to see a lot more of both Moody and Podziemski over the next month for sure. I just hope it also comes with less Klay Thompson, who is mentally a basket case with the uncertainty of looming free agency and can't be relied on for anything at this point.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 11-30-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701305448' Wrote: 1701305448[/url]']
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1701293027' Wrote: 1701293027[/url]']
PAsportsfan dateline='[url=tel:1701233735' Wrote: 1701233735[/url]']
This is for OutsiderFan. Reporter asks Klay Thompson about moving to the bench.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5s7MoNz87xo
That might be one of the most projecting defensive responses to a question that wasn't asked that I've ever seen. Now here is Klay getting ready to talk with Steve about going to bench.
Not exactly the team-first mentality needed to win by Klay.
Draymond is putting his personal beefs above the team.
And Curry is not doing anything to reduce his turnovers and set the example to cherish the ball, something the W's must do given how small their error margin is.
None of that is a surprise. Professional athletes are selfish types. Those who were once great and have declining skills are even more selfish. Same was true for some of the SF Giants pla yers last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.
Newsflash: YOU are the problem, Mr. Athlete who can't do what he once did.
“Same was true for some of the SF Giants players last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.”
Guys that “whined” loudest were Webb (who definitely throws strikes) and Yaz (best OF on team. Although admittedly that’s a low bar.)
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-30-2023
(11-30-2023, 08:28 AM)lex24 Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701305448' Wrote: 1701305448[/url]']
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1701293027' Wrote: 1701293027[/url]']
PAsportsfan dateline='[url=tel:1701233735' Wrote: 1701233735[/url]']
This is for OutsiderFan. Reporter asks Klay Thompson about moving to the bench.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5s7MoNz87xo
That might be one of the most projecting defensive responses to a question that wasn't asked that I've ever seen. Now here is Klay getting ready to talk with Steve about going to bench.
Not exactly the team-first mentality needed to win by Klay.
Draymond is putting his personal beefs above the team.
And Curry is not doing anything to reduce his turnovers and set the example to cherish the ball, something the W's must do given how small their error margin is.
None of that is a surprise. Professional athletes are selfish types. Those who were once great and have declining skills are even more selfish. Same was true for some of the SF Giants pla yers last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.
Newsflash: YOU are the problem, Mr. Athlete who can't do what he once did.
“Same was true for some of the SF Giants players last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.”
Guys that “whined” loudest were Webb (who definitely throws strikes) and Yaz (best OF on team. Although admittedly that’s a low bar.)
It was Ross Stripling who complained first and loudest. His ERA was 20th best on the team last year (5.36 ERA, 0-5 record) and he gave up 20 HRs in 89 innings pitched, and he was paid $10 mms., sixth highest on the team. Couldn't deliver, steak eater. And he's coming back, currently with the third highest payroll on the team.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/09/sf-giants-ross-stripling-airs-grievances-over-usage-communication-im-just-in-limbo/
The "best OF on the team", who played 2/3rds of the time in 2023 and is ranked 22nd among MLB right fielders by mlb.com, has dropped pretty significantly from his .852 and .968 OPS years. He was a big part of the swoon in July when his OPS was .569 and he was injured virtually all of August. He's a poor CF and an average corner OF at best. And he can't hit lefties (.204) or on the road (.193). And -- per my comment -- he couldn't hit .250. Yaz hit .233, under the league average. At least Slater hit .270.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 11-30-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701360020' Wrote: 1701360020[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1701358114' Wrote: 1701358114[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701305448' Wrote: 1701305448[/url]']
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1701293027' Wrote: 1701293027[/url]']
PAsportsfan dateline='[url=tel:1701233735' Wrote: 1701233735[/url]']
This is for OutsiderFan. Reporter asks Klay Thompson about moving to the bench.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5s7MoNz87xo
That might be one of the most projecting defensive responses to a question that wasn't asked that I've ever seen. Now here is Klay getting ready to talk with Steve about going to bench.
Not exactly the team-first mentality needed to win by Klay.
Draymond is putting his personal beefs above the team.
And Curry is not doing anything to reduce his turnovers and set the example to cherish the ball, something the W's must do given how small their error margin is.
None of that is a surprise. Professional athletes are selfish types. Those who were once great and have declining skills are even more selfish. Same was true for some of the SF Giants pla yers last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.
Newsflash: YOU are the problem, Mr. Athlete who can't do what he once did.
“Same was true for some of the SF Giants players last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.”
Guys that “whined” loudest were Webb (who definitely throws strikes) and Yaz (best OF on team. Although admittedly that’s a low bar.)
It was Ross Stripling who complained first and loudest. His ERA was 20th best on the team last year (5.36 ERA, 0-5 record) and he gave up 20 HRs in 89 innings pitched, and he was paid $10 mms., sixth highest on the team. Couldn't deliver, steak eater. And he's coming back, currently with the third highest payroll on the team.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/09/sf-giants-ross-stripling-airs-grievances-over-usage-communication-im-just-in-limbo/
The "best OF on the team", who played 2/3rds of the time in 2023 and is ranked 22nd among MLB right fielders by mlb.com, has dropped pretty significantly from his .852 and .968 OPS years. He was a big part of the swoon in July when his OPS was .569 and he was injured virtually all of August. He's a poor CF and an average corner OF at best. And he can't hit lefties (.204) or on the road (.193). And -- per my comment -- he couldn't hit .250. Yaz hit .233, under the league average. At least Slater hit .270.
Yes, Mick. Yaz was the best OF on team in ‘23. As I said, low bar. Hopefully they rectify that this offseason. BTW- batting average is largely irrelevant as a measure stick these days. So many metrics. So little time.
Stripling had no problem throwing strikes. They just got hit hard.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-30-2023
brobdingnagian shakeup at KNBR. Paul McCaffrey gone -- his partner is still employed, but their morning show has been replaced. Lee Hammer gone, FP Santangelo gone, producer Erik Engle gone,
https://awfulannouncing.com/sports/knbr-paul-mccaffrey-fp-santangelo-ends-night-talk-show.html
KNBR has broadcast rights for the Giants, the 49ers and partial rights for the Warriors. Apparently KNBR has been losing ground to 95.7 (who broadcasts the Warriors as well).
(11-30-2023, 09:19 AM)lex24 Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701360020' Wrote: 1701360020[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1701358114' Wrote: 1701358114[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701305448' Wrote: 1701305448[/url]']
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1701293027' Wrote: 1701293027[/url]']
That might be one of the most projecting defensive responses to a question that wasn't asked that I've ever seen. Now here is Klay getting ready to talk with Steve about going to bench.
Not exactly the team-first mentality needed to win by Klay.
Draymond is putting his personal beefs above the team.
And Curry is not doing anything to reduce his turnovers and set the example to cherish the ball, something the W's must do given how small their error margin is.
None of that is a surprise. Professional athletes are selfish types. Those who were once great and have declining skills are even more selfish. Same was true for some of the SF Giants pla yers last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.
Newsflash: YOU are the problem, Mr. Athlete who can't do what he once did.
“Same was true for some of the SF Giants players last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.”
Guys that “whined” loudest were Webb (who definitely throws strikes) and Yaz (best OF on team. Although admittedly that’s a low bar.)
It was Ross Stripling who complained first and loudest. His ERA was 20th best on the team last year (5.36 ERA, 0-5 record) and he gave up 20 HRs in 89 innings pitched, and he was paid $10 mms., sixth highest on the team. Couldn't deliver, steak eater. And he's coming back, currently with the third highest payroll on the team.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/09/sf-giants-ross-stripling-airs-grievances-over-usage-communication-im-just-in-limbo/
The "best OF on the team", who played 2/3rds of the time in 2023 and is ranked 22nd among MLB right fielders by mlb.com, has dropped pretty significantly from his .852 and .968 OPS years. He was a big part of the swoon in July when his OPS was .569 and he was injured virtually all of August. He's a poor CF and an average corner OF at best. And he can't hit lefties (.204) or on the road (.193). And -- per my comment -- he couldn't hit .250. Yaz hit .233, under the league average. At least Slater hit .270.
Yes, Mick. Yaz was the best OF on team in ‘23. As I said, low bar. Hopefully they rectify that this offseason. BTW- batting average is largely irrelevant as a measure stick these days. So many metrics. So little time.
Stripling had no problem throwing strikes. They just got hit hard.
Best OF on the team...a team whose OF WAR ranked 26th out of 30 MLB teams. Umm...yeah. That's the guy who I want to hear complaining. As for batting average being irrelevant...it's literally the first stat you see on ESPN's MLB statistics page. Doesn't sound irrelevant to me.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 11-30-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701362732' Wrote: 1701362732[/url]']
of immense proportions shakeup at KNBR. Paul McCaffrey gone -- his partner is still employed, but their morning show has been replaced. Lee Hammer gone, FP Santangelo gone, producer Erik Engle gone,
https://awfulannouncing.com/sports/knbr-paul-mccaffrey-fp-santangelo-ends-night-talk-show.html
KNBR has broadcast rights for the Giants, the 49ers and partial rights for the Warriors. Apparently KNBR has been losing ground to 95.7 (who broadcasts the Warriors as well).
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1701361174' Wrote: 1701361174[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701360020' Wrote: 1701360020[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1701358114' Wrote: 1701358114[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701305448' Wrote: 1701305448[/url]']
None of that is a surprise. Professional athletes are selfish types. Those who were once great and have declining skills are even more selfish. Same was true for some of the SF Giants pla yers last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.
Newsflash: YOU are the problem, Mr. Athlete who can't do what he once did.
“Same was true for some of the SF Giants players last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.”
Guys that “whined” loudest were Webb (who definitely throws strikes) and Yaz (best OF on team. Although admittedly that’s a low bar.)
It was Ross Stripling who complained first and loudest. His ERA was 20th best on the team last year (5.36 ERA, 0-5 record) and he gave up 20 HRs in 89 innings pitched, and he was paid $10 mms., sixth highest on the team. Couldn't deliver, steak eater. And he's coming back, currently with the third highest payroll on the team.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/09/sf-giants-ross-stripling-airs-grievances-over-usage-communication-im-just-in-limbo/
The "best OF on the team", who played 2/3rds of the time in 2023 and is ranked 22nd among MLB right fielders by mlb.com, has dropped pretty significantly from his .852 and .968 OPS years. He was a big part of the swoon in July when his OPS was .569 and he was injured virtually all of August. He's a poor CF and an average corner OF at best. And he can't hit lefties (.204) or on the road (.193). And -- per my comment -- he couldn't hit .250. Yaz hit .233, under the league average. At least Slater hit .270.
Yes, Mick. Yaz was the best OF on team in ‘23. As I said, low bar. Hopefully they rectify that this offseason. BTW- batting average is largely irrelevant as a measure stick these days. So many metrics. So little time.
Stripling had no problem throwing strikes. They just got hit hard.
Best OF on the team...a team whose OF WAR ranked 26th out of 30 MLB teams. Umm...yeah. That's the guy who I want to hear complaining. As for batting average being irrelevant...it's literally the first stat you see on ESPN's MLB statistics page. Doesn't sound irrelevant to me.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats
How about Webb? You OK with him complaining.
As for batting average, I’m still a fan, Mick. But I’m in the minority. It’s been placed way down the list in regards to analyzing players. There’s really no question about that. Whether or not that should be the case is certainly arguable.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-30-2023
(11-30-2023, 09:58 AM)lex24 Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701362732' Wrote: 1701362732[/url]']
of immense proportions shakeup at KNBR. Paul McCaffrey gone -- his partner is still employed, but their morning show has been replaced. Lee Hammer gone, FP Santangelo gone, producer Erik Engle gone,
https://awfulannouncing.com/sports/knbr-paul-mccaffrey-fp-santangelo-ends-night-talk-show.html
KNBR has broadcast rights for the Giants, the 49ers and partial rights for the Warriors. Apparently KNBR has been losing ground to 95.7 (who broadcasts the Warriors as well).
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1701361174' Wrote: 1701361174[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1701360020' Wrote: 1701360020[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1701358114' Wrote: 1701358114[/url]']
“Same was true for some of the SF Giants players last year. They whined about management and the manager when they couldn't throw a strike or hit .250.”
Guys that “whined” loudest were Webb (who definitely throws strikes) and Yaz (best OF on team. Although admittedly that’s a low bar.)
It was Ross Stripling who complained first and loudest. His ERA was 20th best on the team last year (5.36 ERA, 0-5 record) and he gave up 20 HRs in 89 innings pitched, and he was paid $10 mms., sixth highest on the team. Couldn't deliver, steak eater. And he's coming back, currently with the third highest payroll on the team.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/09/sf-giants-ross-stripling-airs-grievances-over-usage-communication-im-just-in-limbo/
The "best OF on the team", who played 2/3rds of the time in 2023 and is ranked 22nd among MLB right fielders by mlb.com, has dropped pretty significantly from his .852 and .968 OPS years. He was a big part of the swoon in July when his OPS was .569 and he was injured virtually all of August. He's a poor CF and an average corner OF at best. And he can't hit lefties (.204) or on the road (.193). And -- per my comment -- he couldn't hit .250. Yaz hit .233, under the league average. At least Slater hit .270.
Yes, Mick. Yaz was the best OF on team in ‘23. As I said, low bar. Hopefully they rectify that this offseason. BTW- batting average is largely irrelevant as a measure stick these days. So many metrics. So little time.
Stripling had no problem throwing strikes. They just got hit hard.
Best OF on the team...a team whose OF WAR ranked 26th out of 30 MLB teams. Umm...yeah. That's the guy who I want to hear complaining. As for batting average being irrelevant...it's literally the first stat you see on ESPN's MLB statistics page. Doesn't sound irrelevant to me.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats
How about Webb? You OK with him complaining.
As for batting average, I’m still a fan, Mick. But I’m in the minority. It’s been placed way down the list in regards to analyzing players. There’s really no question about that. Whether or not that should be the case is certainly arguable.
I'm okay with anyone complaining at any time, even - especially - Mrs. Mick. And Logan Webb (11-13 and former PED abuser) as staff leader can certainly complain all he wants. I'm less interested in what Stripling and Yaz have to say. Webb had the best ERA and WHIP of the starters, 2nd in Cy Young...great, have at it. And it says something about Webb complaining about being "tired of losing" and "we've got to make big changes" after a complete game win.
https://www.milb.com/news/san-francisco-giants-logan-webb-suspended-80-games-306747558
It's super easy to call out the manager, when the manager isn't the guy who signed up all the terrible players. The fact that Yaz is -- by your statement -- the "best outfielder on the team" is a major part of the problem. He should be the fifth best OF on the team. I'd respect him more if his OPS was .975 instead of .775.